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post #541 of 1323
12/20/10 at 4:22am
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This is crazy how some get horrible ghosting and others hardly any.

I think it's proof positive of not only variance between units but also variance between people's visual processing system. Probably more of the first.
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post #542 of 1323
12/20/10 at 4:27am
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Quick update. Just tested Shrek 3D and did not see an ounce of ghosting. Then tested the first 10 minutes of Avatar 3D. Simply amazing. My 90ES had been on all day for football and then Despicable Me. Btw, I requested a standing ovation at the end. Just kidding. Anyway I then just tested Alice In Wonderland which also looked very good. Finally went back to A Christmas Carol and noticed very light. Ghosting in the candles in the beginning of the movie.

On a side note I just ordered Under The Sea 3D.

Joe do you have any other screen material samples laying around to get a crude idea how, if it all, your polarizing preserving vutec is a factor in your perception of low ghosting with the Sony?

Also what player are you now using, and are you sending through the duo or direct to from to projector (or via your av processor?)

Really would be very interesting to see why some of us have seen more ghosts that then kid in The SixTh Sense on the 90, and others have not.

Content master/encoding is definitely a factor, as Despicable Me is the most ghosted title I've watched so far on the jvc..still very watchable, but probably 10-15% minor to moderate ghosting across the movie. Then you put on avatar, and it's perfect.
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post #543 of 1323
12/20/10 at 4:40am
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

is the oppo 93 not updated yet to play avatar?

Thanks

No not yet Greg...But it will be soon. I noticed they are now released to the public for sale....
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post #544 of 1323
12/20/10 at 4:42am
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Originally Posted by myz350 View Post

I have been playing with the 3D settings, the only movie I have is Despicable Me, and there is serious ghosting for me!!! on the projector menu, i have been playing with the "depth" parameter, where you go from -2 to +2, this corrects the ghosting in the middle of the image, but the bottom half of the image now shows ghosting, and some scenes I will have to adjust it to the other side...can't really enjoy the whole movie like this.
Before I made any adjustment, I asked my wife to see if she noticed anything, she said the ghost was on the right hand side, but when I put on the same pair of glasses, it's on the left hand side for me???!!! this tells me that it has a lot to do with the individual person's vision when viewing the 3D content. unless everyone have the same vision, whatever I calibrate will only be good for me, but not for anyone else.
I have a thought, when I first set up my projector, i had to use the lens adjust to zoom in, and also shift the image to the right, and down a bit as well, then I have to adjust the vertical keystone to -19, which is what it is right now. For those of you that have zero ghosting, did you have to adjust anything? I think the position of the projector may have something to do with the 3D content.

I have not touched the keystone correction, nor will I. I wouldn't use this unless you have to.
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post #545 of 1323
12/20/10 at 6:10am
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Originally Posted by dogone View Post

No not yet Greg...But it will be soon. I noticed they are now released to the public for sale....

Have you tried playing Avatar 3d on the 93? A few 93 owners in the owners thread reported it plays no problem I hope this is the case since I have a copy coming at some point.

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I have not touched the keystone correction, nor will I. I wouldn't use this unless you have to.

+1

Remount the projector so you dont have to use keystone adjustment!
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post #546 of 1323
12/20/10 at 6:15am
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Originally Posted by dogone View Post

I have not touched the keystone correction, nor will I. I wouldn't use this unless you have to.

if you don't touch the keystone, how would you correct the problem? when I push the lens adjust button on the remote, it brings up this green grid, and it's obvious the bottom is wider then the top!
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post #547 of 1323
12/20/10 at 6:38am
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

I hope this is the case since I have a copy coming at some point.

Avatar 3D work just fine on my OPPO 93
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post #548 of 1323
12/20/10 at 6:38am
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Originally Posted by dogone View Post

No not yet Greg...But it will be soon. I noticed they are now released to the public for sale....

Actually my 93 does play Avatar.
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post #549 of 1323
12/20/10 at 6:42am
^^^^^^Thanks for the confirmation Rick/Joe
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post #550 of 1323
12/20/10 at 6:48am
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

Joe do you have any other screen material samples laying around to get a crude idea how, if it all, your polarizing preserving vutec is a factor in your perception of low ghosting with the Sony?

Also what player are you now using, and are you sending through the duo or direct to from to projector (or via your av processor?)

Really would be very interesting to see why some of us have seen more ghosts that then kid in The SixTh Sense on the 90, and others have not.

Content master/encoding is definitely a factor, as Despicable Me is the most ghosted title I've watched so far on the jvc..still very watchable, but probably 10-15% minor to moderate ghosting across the movie. Then you put on avatar, and it's perfect.

Actually I'm using a 93 HDMI 1 straight to my 90 and HDMI 2 into my 1008/pre-pro. I have the latest firmware which should now be publicly released. Chuck you need to update yours. Who would have thought going with a Silverstar would pay off with football and 3D?

And Despicable Me is far from perfect. It is not reference material that's for sure. I would say 10 to 15% ghosting sounds about right.
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post #551 of 1323
12/20/10 at 6:48am
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

^^^^^^Thanks for the confirmation Rick/Joe

Cool!...The copy I have won't play on the Oppo 93, but it is a ripped copy that was loaned to me for the week end...plus Petri said Avatar 3D wouldn't play on his either so I assumed they didn't do the firmware update yet...Thanks for the new info!...


BTW, My RS40 is coming early!...I checked the Fed-ex site and although it had a scheduled date of tomorrow, it says it's on the truck and out for delivery!...
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post #552 of 1323
12/20/10 at 6:49am
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And Toe is right. Remount that sucker!
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post #553 of 1323
12/20/10 at 6:52am
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Trust me guys. If I could get a RS40 and get superior 3D and near as good 2D I would do it and save some coin. I still may try one later this week. Chuck can't wait for tomorrow.
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post #554 of 1323
12/20/10 at 7:01am
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Originally Posted by dogone View Post

Cool!...The copy I have won't play on the Oppo 93, but it is a ripped copy that was loaned to me for the week end...plus Petri said Avatar 3D wouldn't play on his either so I assumed they didn't do the firmware update yet...Thanks for the new info!...


BTW, My RS40 is coming early!...I checked the Fed-ex site and although it had a scheduled date of tomorrow, it says it's on the truck and out for delivery!...

Of yeah!!! Happy Monday... Get that 40 up.
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post #555 of 1323
12/20/10 at 7:03am
Joe...I did update the Oppo last night...it still won't play the loaned copy I have...But the Panny does play it...interesting. It is a ripped copy, but still if the Panny plays it, the Oppo should too right?...I'm at work, so I'll have to wait until later to play with the RS40...My wife is home sick, so she is there to sign for it...(I'm relieved)...
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post #556 of 1323
12/20/10 at 7:24am
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Originally Posted by dogone View Post

Joe...I did update the Oppo last night...it still won't play the loaned copy I have...But the Panny does play it...interesting. It is a ripped copy, but still if the Panny plays it, the Oppo should too right?

If you must know (and I hope AVS doesn't come down on me like a ton of bricks for this), there are two ripped versions out there. One has the original BD+ copy protection intact and the other one doesn't. The latter one works on all 3D players, the first one works only on some players.
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post #557 of 1323
12/20/10 at 7:29am
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Originally Posted by pteittinen View Post

If you must know (and I hope AVS doesn't come down on me like a ton of bricks for this), there are two ripped versions out there. One has the original BD+ copy protection intact and the other one doesn't. The latter one works on all 3D players, the first one works only on some players.

Thanks Petri...I must have the first one...Dang, I sure hope this person I know has sent me the correct copy....
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post #558 of 1323
12/20/10 at 8:43am
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Originally Posted by myz350 View Post

... and it's obvious the bottom is wider then the top!

Sounds like your screen is not square to the projector lens. In your case it looks like the top is closer to the lens than the bottom. Keystone causes loss of resolution and should be avoided.
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post #559 of 1323
12/20/10 at 12:01pm
True. If you can't mount it properly then you might have to pay someone to do it for you. Keystone is a definite no no.

I doubt however that it would cause the ghosting he is experiencing. The bottom third of the screen ghosting is exactly what I had and don't bother with the Xpand either. I was excited at first when the ghosting was not there at the bottom with the xpand. Then I look up and and bam! Ghosting had moved from the bottom to the top of the screen instead.

Also, forget about the depth adjustment feature. It's total BS. If anyone knows how 3D works they know that the seperation changes from scene to scene. So you can use depth adjustment to get rid of ghosting for example from the intro scene to resident evil where the subs aren't doubled, but as soon as the scene changes the ghosting is back but in a slightly different plane. The only way this would work is if the Sony adjusted depth in real time for each scene which is unfortuanately impossible
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post #560 of 1323
12/20/10 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

True. If you can't mount it properly then you might have to pay someone to do it for you. Keystone is a definite no no.

I doubt however that it would cause the ghosting he is experiencing. The bottom third of the screen ghosting is exactly what I had and don't bother with the Xpand either. I was excited at first when the ghosting was not there at the bottom with the xpand. Then I look up and and bam! Ghosting had moved from the bottom to the top of the screen instead.

Also, forget about the depth adjustment feature. It's total BS. If anyone knows how 3D works they know that the seperation changes from scene to scene. So you can use depth adjustment to get rid of ghosting for example from the intro scene to resident evil where the subs aren't doubled, but as soon as the scene changes the ghosting is back but in a slightly different plane. The only way this would work is if the Sony adjusted depth in real time for each scene which is unfortuanately impossible

My setup of the projector is about a foot to the left of the center of the screen, and leveled with the middle of the screen. I will try and adjust the projector so that it doesn't require the use of the Keystone feature, and see if this eliminates the ghosting.
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post #561 of 1323
12/20/10 at 12:23pm
Mine was more then a foot to the left. you just use the lens shift feature. Press lens on the remote and when is says lens shift use the arrow keys to move the entire image to the right. Make sure your projector is facing straight ahead, don't angle it toward the center or the image will bow on one side. When the projector is facing straight ahead and then you use lens shift you will have a perfect 16:9 image with no distortion. You don't need to use keystoneing.
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post #562 of 1323
12/20/10 at 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by myz350 View Post

My setup of the projector is about a foot to the left of the center of the screen, and leveled with the middle of the screen. I will try and adjust the projector so that it doesn't require the use of the Keystone feature, and see if this eliminates the ghosting.

Don't feel you have to AIM the pj at the screen. This will only work if the pj is dead center to the screen. If it's not, that's how you get the trapezoid shape. Rather, go for 90 degrees to the screen and then use the lens shift.
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post #563 of 1323
12/20/10 at 12:28pm
Also, position doesn't matter anyway. I tried it on a table top with no lens shift at all and it was exactly the same ghosting. Does you dealer take returns? I will update on how the RS50 compares. If it's just as bad then I will just use it for 2D only.

I can't wait for Dogones impressions. I wonder how a projector like the Sony which already has 0 ghosting will compare to an RS40. I mean it can't get better then 0 ghosting right
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post #564 of 1323
12/20/10 at 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

Also, position doesn't matter anyway. I tried it on a table top with no lens shift at all and it was exactly the same ghosting. Does you dealer take returns? I will update on how the RS50 compares. If it's just as bad then I will just use it for 2D only.

I can't wait for Dogones impressions. I wonder how a projector like the Sony which already has 0 ghosting will compare to an RS40. I mean it can't get better then 0 ghosting right

I do experience ghosting on some titles but some look amazing (Avatar) and some are just here and there...
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post #565 of 1323
12/20/10 at 1:21pm
Justifying your purchase on AVS is soooo 2009... today it's justifying your return !
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post #566 of 1323
12/20/10 at 1:28pm
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justifying your purchase on avs is soooo 2009... Today it's justifying your return !

lol
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post #567 of 1323
12/20/10 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

Also, position doesn't matter anyway. I tried it on a table top with no lens shift at all and it was exactly the same ghosting. Does you dealer take returns? I will update on how the RS50 compares. If it's just as bad then I will just use it for 2D only.

I can't wait for Dogones impressions. I wonder how a projector like the Sony which already has 0 ghosting will compare to an RS40. I mean it can't get better then 0 ghosting right


The only really bad ghosting I have seen is what is on Directv. So far all the blu-rays I have watched are either no cross-talk at all to my eyes, or minimal, scattered here and there type...But definitely tolerable. Shouldn't you be in the under 3000.00 forums? under "Acer"
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post #568 of 1323
12/20/10 at 1:53pm
Actually I should be in the RS50 owners thread where I belong. But, having been an owner Im still interested in the Sony and wondering if ghosting varies from unit to unit, and I would miss you dogone

So have you got your RS40 yet? If not don't post here until you have some more info. Thanks.

Also, I think you are well aware that the RS50 is THX 3D certified right? So your inferior RS40 which is not THX won't hold a candle to the 3D from the RS50 anyway. So your opinion won't really matter. Whey did you cheap out and not get the RS50? You are comparing a crappy non THX certified 3D projector to a projector that costs twice as much and is part of Sonys ES (enhanced Superiority) product line.
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post #569 of 1323
12/20/10 at 2:31pm
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Justifying your purchase on AVS is soooo 2009... today it's justifying your return !
I love this!!!
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post #570 of 1323
12/20/10 at 2:35pm
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post
Actually I should be in the RS50 owners thread where I belong. But, having been an owner Im still interested in the Sony and wondering if ghosting varies from unit to unit, and I would miss you dogone

So have you got your RS40 yet? If not don't post here until you have some more info. Thanks.

Also, I think you are well aware that the RS50 is THX 3D certified right? So your inferior RS40 which is not THX won't hold a candle to the 3D from the RS50 anyway. So your opinion won't really matter. Whey did you cheap out and not get the RS50? You are comparing a crappy non THX certified 3D projector to a projector that costs twice as much and is part of Sonys ES (enhanced Superiority) product line.
Actually I have had most of all the recent JVC models (last years) and THX didn't mean a thing. I never used that mode. I liked the 550 better than the 950 last year and if it weren't for the 990 I would have kept the 550. It was brighter. And since I have a Duo I don't need the CMS in the upper models. And from good sources I am hearing the RS40 is pretty much the RS50 without CMS... I would say save some money and get the RS40 which is what I may end up doing still...
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