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Anyone get DD+ working with Netflix or Vudu app?

post #1 of 111
11/24/10 at 7:08am
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Curious about this. I have a slim and the best I can seem to do is DD 640k on both when bitstreaming over hdmi. I get DTS-HD/True-HD just fine.
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post #2 of 111
11/24/10 at 7:27am
How can I check with my Onkyo 607 receiver? I'll watch a VUDU flick with the free $6 credit right now to see as I wait for UPS to drop off my GT5 copy.
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post #3 of 111
11/24/10 at 7:57am
Can anyone even tell the difference between DD and DD+?

I mean, the difference between DD and a well mastered TrueHD track is noticable (sometimes) but the difference between DD and DD+ is just marketing and receiver lights lighting up imo.

-Suntan
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post #4 of 111
11/24/10 at 8:03am
The bitrate of dd+ can be much higher than dd. I have no idea what the audio bitrate is on vudu. But typically when an advanced dolby codec is transcoded to dd, it will be at the max dd bitrate which is 640 kbps.
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post #5 of 111
11/24/10 at 10:45am
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The bitrate of dd+ can be much higher than dd. I have no idea what the audio bitrate is on vudu. But typically when an advanced dolby codec is transcoded to dd, it will be at the max dd bitrate which is 640 kbps.
That's why I'm wondering what exactly is going on. I don't think anyone has confirmed they've been able to get DD+ over Netflix or Vudu on the PS3 yet.
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post #6 of 111
11/24/10 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by Suntan View Post
Can anyone even tell the difference between DD and DD+?

I mean, the difference between DD and a well mastered TrueHD track is noticable (sometimes) but the difference between DD and DD+ is just marketing and receiver lights lighting up imo.

-Suntan
When HD DVD was around, Dolby Digital Plus bitrate was up to 1.5Mbps on a DD+ capable sound receiver. DD max bitrate is 640Kbps.
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post #7 of 111
11/24/10 at 10:52am
I have DD+ 5.1 working with Netflix.
Too bad not all the HD offerings have it though.
But it works great. Netflix steaming is solid as well. No hiccups.

With the Vudu HDX Free Previews I am only getting 2-channel PCM.
I know the trailers are in stereo but the Previews are supposed to be the first two minutes of the actual movie. So I should be getting 5.1 and I'm not.
I have not tried buying an HDX movie as of yet.
I think there is something wrong with the Vudu App.
I will wait for a fix before purchasing any movies.
Netflix has a setting for 5.1 audio.
I have not found any setting for it in Vudu.

Anyone else not getting 5.1 audio with the new Vudu App on PS3?
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post #8 of 111
11/24/10 at 11:09am
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Originally Posted by Vortex3D View Post
When HD DVD was around, Dolby Digital Plus bitrate was up to 1.5Mbps on a DD+ capable sound receiver. DD max bitrate is 640Kbps.
I know the technical merits separating them. I'm just saying, for something like a Netflix stream, where the whole (video/audio) is coming in at low single digit Mbps data rates, do you really think you are getting full size, 1.5 Mbps DD+?

Anyway, I stand by my comment. Does anyone really think they will hear a difference between DD and DD+? I can't say as I would be able to when I watch shows.

-Suntan
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post #9 of 111
11/24/10 at 12:03pm
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I can't seem to get DD+ working even though I know my receiver supports it. Eddie, do you have the "DD+" symbol lit on your receiver? If so, what is your audio config on the PS3?
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post #10 of 111
11/24/10 at 12:15pm
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Originally Posted by DaveFi View Post

I can't seem to get DD+ working even though I know my receiver supports it. Eddie, do you have the "DD+" symbol lit on your receiver? If so, what is your audio config on the PS3?

I have my PS3 connected to Onkyo 705 receiver via HDMI.
All PS3 audio settings are currently set to bitstream.
I know it works because I get 5.1 audio when streaming Netflix HD movies that have 5.1 audio. Onkyo lights up DD 5.1.
With Vudu no matter what I try I get 2-channel PCM audio.
The Free Peview Vudu HDX clips should have DD 5.1 and all I get is stereo.
Try some of the HDX Free Previews and let me know what you get.
Thanks.
Ed
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post #11 of 111
11/24/10 at 12:27pm
I just got off the phone with Vudu Support.
I was told by the tech that the trailers and most of the HDX previews are not encoded in DD 5.1 and that if I purchase the HDX rental 5.1 will work.
The CS rep spoke to someone while I was on the phone.
The tech she spoke to said he tried it last night on his PS3 and 5.1 was working when he purchased the movie and not for the trailers and prviews.
So I will give it try tonight as I have some credit coming.
Have you purchase an HDX movie and tried it yet Dave?
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post #12 of 111
11/24/10 at 12:59pm
Makes sense. I'm sure they serve out a lot of free previews and the size difference of 2.0 vs 5.1 is probably a good deal of bandwidth all together.

-Suntan
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post #13 of 111
11/24/10 at 4:28pm
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Eddie- I am getting a plain DD 640k output on Netflix, just not DD+, that's why I'm asking if your receiver specifically says "DD+" on it (mine has that designation when playing a DD+ file). So unless your receiver specifically says DD+ then it appears you're only getting standard DD output like I am.

As far as Vudu goes, no I haven't purchased a film yet- but the HDX "freeviews" (first 2mins of each movie) are supposed to be identical to the whole movie, and these also show on my receiver as standard DD 640k output, no DD+ (PS3 Display shows them as being DD+).

The only thing I can conclude is DD+ output on the PS3 is broken in some way, and no one has DD+ output as of yet.

FYI: If you want 5.1 bitstreamed output off the PS3, try removing 7.1 support in the audio output menu, once I do this Vudu stops output PCM and switches to DD.
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post #14 of 111
11/24/10 at 4:40pm
He just explained that the VUDU people said those quick previews are 2.0 audio only. You'll have to test using an actual movie rental. Why not use your free credits and check?
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post #15 of 111
11/24/10 at 4:45pm
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Originally Posted by joeblow View Post

He just explained that the VUDU people said those quick previews are 2.0 audio only. You'll have to test using an actual movie rental. Why not use your free credits and check?

I tried it and still am getting plain DD 640k.
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post #16 of 111
11/24/10 at 5:16pm
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Originally Posted by DaveFi View Post

I tried it and still am getting plain DD 640k.

What do you mean by Plain DD?
2.0, 5.1, Dolby Digital what?

When playing HDX Free Previews my receiver says I'm getting,
"Multichannel PCM 7.1"?

When I stream Netflix HD movies it says,
"Dolby Digital 5.1"
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post #17 of 111
11/24/10 at 5:25pm
[quote=DaveFi;19542192FYI: If you want 5.1 bitstreamed output off the PS3, try removing 7.1 support in the audio output menu, once I do this Vudu stops output PCM and switches to DD.[/QUOTE]

Dave thanks a lot.
I tried just what you said here. I went into PS3 Audio setting and removed all instances of 7.1 audio selections.
I launched Vudu and tried another HDX preview and you were right.
My reveiver now gets Dolby Digital 5.1 audio.
I wonder why 7.1 PCM was being output before??

You were right though disable 7.1 and it forces DD 5.1 output.
Thanks again.
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post #18 of 111
11/24/10 at 5:43pm
FWIW, the 2 minute preview lights the DD+ lights just fine on my BD550 BR player. Sounds a lot better than the ps3 as well.
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post #19 of 111
11/24/10 at 7:50pm
What I am noticing is that the audio is mixed really low. I run my receiver at "40-45" for everything I watch. To get vudu at an equal volume level, I need to hit "60-70".
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post #20 of 111
11/24/10 at 7:58pm
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Originally Posted by eddieb187 View Post

What do you mean by Plain DD?
2.0, 5.1, Dolby Digital what?

When playing HDX Free Previews my receiver says I'm getting,
"Multichannel PCM 7.1"?

When I stream Netflix HD movies it says,
"Dolby Digital 5.1"

Plain DD= 640k DD 5.1. What we should be getting is DD+, which is E-AC3 (enhanced AC3), an extension of standard DD. If your receiver supports TrueHD then it most certainly supports DD+.

Unsure why DD+ isn't working, but from this thread, and other threads on this forum and around the net it appears no one can get DD+ bitstreaming working on their PS3 and both the Netflix and Vudu apps. Didn't they test these apps before putting them out?
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post #21 of 111
11/24/10 at 8:06pm
I have a feeling they just put the "+" in whatever announcement. Maybe a marketing intern put it together, who knows.

In these days of bandwidth-starved streaming, I seriously don't see them supporting an advanced audio codec as of now. I think we should be happy that streaming audio just joined 1995, personally.
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post #22 of 111
11/24/10 at 8:20pm
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I have a feeling they just put the "+" in whatever announcement. Maybe a marketing intern put it together, who knows.

In these days of bandwidth-starved streaming, I seriously don't see them supporting an advanced audio codec as of now. I think we should be happy that streaming audio just joined 1995, personally.

Well, DD+ is a feature of Vudu's HDX format and as it definitely seems to work on other formats (you'll notice when you play back a HDX movie on the PS3 it specifically says "Dolby Digital Plus") it should work.

The PS3 supports DD+, but perhaps since it's never been used up until this point we need a firmware update to get it working properly?

Start posting to the official Vudu PS3 forum. Perhaps they can get it fixed.
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post #23 of 111
11/25/10 at 7:24am
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Originally Posted by eddieb187 View Post

What do you mean by Plain DD?
2.0, 5.1, Dolby Digital what?

When playing HDX Free Previews my receiver says I'm getting,
"Multichannel PCM 7.1"?

When I stream Netflix HD movies it says,
"Dolby Digital 5.1"

The VUDU application on the PS3 has some major bugs. You need to uncheck 7.1PCM 48Khz, 96Khz etc.(the other 7.1 PCM options are fine 44.1Khz etc)
Once you uncheck those, the PS3 will bitstream the DD audio. But even that is wrong since it should be bitstreaming(assuming you have a PS3 Slim) the DD+ audio and not transcoding it to DD.
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post #24 of 111
11/25/10 at 7:25am
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What I am noticing is that the audio is mixed really low. I run my receiver at "40-45" for everything I watch. To get vudu at an equal volume level, I need to hit "60-70".

This is a PS3 issue, not VUDU. I have four other devices that play VUDU movies. None of them have any low audio problems.
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post #25 of 111
11/25/10 at 7:27am
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Originally Posted by DaveFi View Post

Well, DD+ is a feature of Vudu's HDX format and as it definitely seems to work on other formats (you'll notice when you play back a HDX movie on the PS3 it specifically says "Dolby Digital Plus") it should work.

The PS3 supports DD+, but perhaps since it's never been used up until this point we need a firmware update to get it working properly?

Start posting to the official Vudu PS3 forum. Perhaps they can get it fixed.

With my LG BD390 I have no problem bitstreaming the DD+ audio from the VUDU content. It sounds much better than what the PS3 is sending throuugh. One of the reasons I say the PS3 with VUDU is a big step backwards.

I just hope the Boxee Box can get it right.
The PS3 still has not got DD+ bitstreaming from Netflix corrected either.
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post #26 of 111
11/25/10 at 7:40am
The PS3 is also sending RGB from the VUDU application. With my four other VUDU devices(three BX100s and the LG BD390) they send the 444 colorspace out for VUDU.
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post #27 of 111
11/25/10 at 7:59am
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What I am noticing is that the audio is mixed really low. I run my receiver at "40-45" for everything I watch. To get vudu at an equal volume level, I need to hit "60-70".

I just went through some scens from some of the HDX movies I own. I looked/listened to them from my PS3 Slim, my LG BD390 and my BX100.
The PS3 was lower in volume for all of them. At the same volume levels bass was lacking from the PS3.
The LG and the BX100 audio both were good even though the BX100 transcodes to DD and the LG bitstreams the DD+.
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post #28 of 111
11/26/10 at 6:14pm
Thanks. Helps to know that it is not a problem specific to my fatty PS3. But it was striking how low the vudu audio sounded when bluray discs sound fine at a much lower volume level.


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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post
I just went through some scens from some of the HDX movies I own. I looked/listened to them from my PS3 Slim, my LG BD390 and my BX100.
The PS3 was lower in volume for all of them. At the same volume levels bass was lacking from the PS3.
The LG and the BX100 audio both were good even though the BX100 transcodes to DD and the LG bitstreams the DD+.
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post #29 of 111
11/27/10 at 5:38am
I will not be renting anything from Vudu until the audio is fixed. The netflix app at least has correct audio levels. Watched two movies on Vudu, one had video artifact on a HDX title , and I had low audio levels on both. One even had garbled center channel audio. Very disappointed that this was not beta tested correctly!
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post #30 of 111
11/27/10 at 8:03am
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I dropped a line to Dave Zatz @ http://www.zatznotfunny.com/ and he said he'll try contacting some people to see what's up with both apps and DD+ support on the PS3.
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