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post #1 of 9
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One of the threads about the new Hollings bill led me to a very interesting article at Salon Courtney Love Does the Math which gave a clear picture of how and how much music artists would love to have an alternative to the record companies. A direct Internet connection; something like a hosting and management(?) service. Are there such services? Maybe I just need to buy a clue here...

There was another article about how Gnutella (or any free file-sharing) eventually grinds to a halt, lawsuit or no, once it gets big enough to be interesting - there are few providers for many consumers. So a pay service seems reasonable - but I don't see ads on TV for any. What isn't working? I refuse to believe that it's JUST a Hollywood conspiracy.

What kind of services would you pay for (music or movies)? Not just delivery, but added value such as "hardcopy" sales, user ratings, or what?

I'd really like to see pay audio/video hosting which is cheap enough for almost anyone. Love makes a repeated point in the article that musicians have often played only for tips - the music is freely given and so are the tips. When you have a potential audience of zillions, you can eat on this. PassTheHat.com? What's needed to make that work?

Editors, guides, indexers - how much is this service/are these people worth? "I like Zappa; what else would be cool?" User ratings/referrals are fine in many cases, but I think there is a case for the paid professional searcher.

Basically, a billing system which can be mandated ($3/view) or optional (leave a tip if you like) would seem to be required.


Fighting the RIAA/MPAA on their own legal ground is not the Internet Way.
Route around obstructions; don't try to bash through them.
Make your difficulties irrelevant - design a better middleman!
post #2 of 9
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Wow; tough crowd.

Consider parallels with the computer "shareware" procedures - music/movies are software too. The obvious difference is that music and especially movies take much more upfront cash to produce. How do we get VCs and artists together without the usual raping and pillaging?

We need a law that prohibits making any movie sequel unless it is paid for by fan contributions in advance.........
post #3 of 9
That's a great article. Sorry I took so long before reading it & replying to your post. I think the idea of internet distribution in the manner she proposes is bound to happen. It's very early in the game, and the one good thing about capitalism with internet technology is that virtually anyone can get something like this started. I'm positive lots of people will do just that. It is a really good speech. I may have to read it again.
post #4 of 9
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Mod - maybe this should be moved to the HTPC forum for more action... but it will probably sink fast.
post #5 of 9
I'm surprised this hasn't gotten more response. If people would only read that Courtney Love speech/article, I'm sure there would be many people resonating with her statements. I sure did.
post #6 of 9
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Her rant gave a good layout of what the "artists" want from a middleman/system; what I'm trying to get is a better picture of what WE would find worth real money. Market research, basically.

I may never be able to use the info, but hopefully someone with $$ might read this...
post #7 of 9
As far as music is concerned, what you're asking for is already here. I pay Rhapsody $ 9.95 a month and receive from them the largest virtual jukebox in the world.

With this service I can choose to listen to any CD, at any time in their huge and high quality library, which includes all the Naxos classical library. The CD libraries of BMG, SONY and other large music companies are being added to Rhapsody as fast as they can bring them on. The amount of listening for the ten bucks is UNLIMITED. But, unfortunately, they don't have Diana Krall at the moment.

This plan gives me the CD collection of a billionaire at my command without having to go to the the trouble of storing and classifying them. All that is done by the company.

There are other on-line suppliers out there, but they limit the amount of your listening and offer burnings instead which I do not want. I mean why bother to store music on your computer or anywhere else when you have it all available at the click of a mouse.

The service also offers other advantages such as a wonderful search engine plus automatic listing similar artists for each choice you make, etc., etc.

And no, I don't work for them and I don't own any stock in them and have nothing whatever to do with them other than pay my ten bucks a month and enjoy the ultimate in music availability and selection.

I look forward to the day when the same thing happens with videos.

Cheers. Don
post #8 of 9
As for C. Love's speech. . . Well, this is Capitalism at work. If she'd prefer a state-run market system, she could go to Russia and pick up a used one very cheap. Alternatively, since the record companies seem to be exploiting the artists and making billions from them, why not buy their stock and reap in the profits? Or she could start her own record company and give the artists the kind of deal she thinks is fair, including a share in the enormous profits she's talking about. The artists would then presumably flock to her and the record companies would be finished. Or perhaps she could sell her stuff directly on the net for nothing, via a napster type service.

Just a few suggestions to help get rid of those robber baron record companies and replace them with entities that will give every artist exactly what he deserves.
post #9 of 9
Here's an interesting article (.pdf format) on possible internet music distribution systems.

http://www.star-lab.com/sander/spdrm/papers/buhse.pdf

The thing about music is that it's much cheaper to produce a good-quality product than with film or video. And it's easier to consume, too. Even if we think that musicians can make a living without the record company middlemen, I'm not sure the same rules apply to filmmakers. Maybe someday.
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