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post #61 of 416
I think the GH2 has the best quality video of any of the DSLR type of camera. I just noticed the video I shot was in 17mb/sec (24L) mode so it should be even better in 1080p24 24mb/sec (24H) mode. This is like when I first seen the native TM700 1080p60 videos last spring and so far the GH2 looks to have the same quality IMHO.
post #62 of 416
So guys, looking at the moon video, am I correct that I will be able to attach my Canon lenses to GH2? And how many minutes can it record?
post #63 of 416
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There is an adapter that is supposed to control the Aperture of Canon EOS lenses although it does it manually with it's own blades.

Too many mixed reactions over a concept like this.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread...erture-control


Now the one a lot of people are waiting for will control the lenses electronically. I suspect the demand for that thing will be enormous just like the Nokton lens.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread...=1#post2146901



There is absolutely no time limit in non European GH2 units. The European units gets 30 minutes for tax reasons. There is also no heating issues. That's obviously assuming It'll be like the GH1.
post #64 of 416
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Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira View Post

There is an adapter that is supposed to control the Aperture of Canon EOS lenses although it does it manually with it's own blades.

Too many mixed reactions over a concept like this.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread...erture-control


Now the one a lot of people are waiting for will control the lenses electronically. I suspect the demand for that thing will be enormous just like the Nokton lens.
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread...=1#post2146901

Maybe my eyes are wrong. So those converters range from $1000+?


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There is absolutely no time limit in non European GH2 units. The European units gets 30 minutes for tax reasons. There is also no heating issues. That's obviously assuming It'll be like the GH1.

Amazing compared to 4G limit or 12 min limit on the Canons.

UPDATE:

Looked at the price of GH2 in Amazon, it's beyond my budget Looks like I'll stick with TM700.
post #65 of 416
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The price for the manual adapter doesn't seam bad but I have no idea if It'll work as good as we hope.
http://shop.ebay.com/items/?_nkw=Can...adis=&LH_CAds=

The electronic version that I expect most people will buy is the $700 version. It may seam a lot for people who have just a few or cheap lenses but for people who have a lot or expensive lenses, that might no be so bad. With both Olympus and Panasonic sharing the same mount and a professional camera also having the same mount, for sure it'll be just as hectic is the Nokton lens. The same thing even happened to the Panasonic 20mm lens.

Even Zeiss now makes lenses with a Micro Four Thirds lens mount. This is a big difference than when the original G1 first came out in which a lot of people were saying that Micro Four Thirds won't survive.
post #66 of 416
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It's actually $900 for the body, $1000 with a cheap lens and $1,500 with the expensive 14-140 lens.

Still, in broad daylight, the TM700 is significantly better as far as my definition of quality is concerned. I'd rather see an ultra clean image than an image in which if your not careful, you can see Moire. On the other hand, put a 20mm lens on the GH2 and It'll be better than a TM700. Never-mind putting on the f/0.95 lens. This is why having both will compliment each but that's expensive.
post #67 of 416
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Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira View Post

It's actually $900 for the body, $1000 with a cheap lens and $1,500 with the expensive 14-140 lens.

Still, in broad daylight, the TM700 is significantly better as far as my definition of quality is concerned. I'd rather see an ultra clean image than an image in which if your not careful, you can see Moire. On the other hand, put a 20mm lens on the GH2 and It'll be better than a TM700. Never-mind putting on the f/0.95 lens. This is why having both will compliment each but that's expensive.

I have a 17mm lens for my Canon 50D. However, to use this lens, I need to buy the adapter to use it on GH2. If I buy the TM700, I'll be able to save at least $100. Thanks for the help. Hopefully, my wife will surprise me this Christmas similar to what she did last year.
post #68 of 416
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Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira View Post
It's actually $900 for the body, $1000 with a cheap lens and $1,500 with the expensive 14-140 lens.

Still, in broad daylight, the TM700 is significantly better as far as my definition of quality is concerned.
Sorry, I didn't quite get this. Significantly better than what?
post #69 of 416
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I'm comparing the TM700 to the GH2. You get higher resolution, less moire. Basically a cleaner image since it was made to be a camcorder first and has 1080 60p. The GH2 is the most detailed video capable still camera since it's made more like a camcorder than DSLRs but it's still made to be a still camera first.
post #70 of 416
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Originally Posted by jogiba View Post

I think the GH2 has the best quality video of any of the DSLR type of camera. I just noticed the video I shot was in 17mb/sec (24L) mode so it should be even better in 1080p24 24mb/sec (24H) mode. This is like when I first seen the native TM700 1080p60 videos last spring and so far the GH2 looks to have the same quality IMHO.

Yeah, I just played your video, VERY nice. It does look to be in the 700 ballpark and that would be just stunning!

My tracking indicates my GH2 will arrive this Monday...looking forward to it!
post #71 of 416
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Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira View Post

Still, in broad daylight, the TM700 is significantly better as far as my definition of quality is concerned. I'd rather see an ultra clean image than an image in which if your not careful, you can see Moire. On the other hand, put a 20mm lens on the GH2 and It'll be better than a TM700. Never-mind putting on the f/0.95 lens. This is why having both will compliment each but that's expensive.

I'll let you know what I find when mine arrives and I do some A/Bs with my 700. I would be surprised to see the same quality, but I'm encouraged by Jogiba's remarks.

Paulo, what makes you say the GH2 with the 20mm would be better than the 700? Are you just talking about it from the standpoint of focal length? It seems from what I've read, that Panasonic did a much better job controlling moire with the GH2 than any other DSLR. I'm assuming you're still waiting for your GH2?
post #72 of 416
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I'm talking about the GH2 beating the TM700 in low light environments once you put a fast lens on.



I have time to do some shooting today with the GH2 and I might post some things tonight.
post #73 of 416
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Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira View Post

I'm talking about the GH2 beating the TM700 in low light environments once you put a fast lens on.



I have time to do some shooting today with the GH2 and I might post some things tonight.

Cool!
post #74 of 416
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

I'll let you know what I find when mine arrives and I do some A/Bs with my 700. I would be surprised to see the same quality, but I'm encouraged by Jogiba's remarks.

Can't wait for the results! Thanks!
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post #76 of 416
pretty impressive low light!!!
post #77 of 416
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I have 2 videos up on Vimeo but unfortunately there was a glitch and so it's taking a long time to get back on track and convert all of the people's videos. Vimeo is fully aware of the issue and trying to get everything resolved as quickly as possible. It's just a couple of videos of a lot of people ice skating at the Frog Pond in Boston. The first one is without the extension and the second one is with the extension. For broad daylight, that should work very well but as expected for low light situations, the low light noise is literally magnified. At night, it should mostly only be used if you want to see further. It's been hours since those 2 videos were up and I'm hoping it wont take that many hours more to finally get converted so I can link it here.

Just by playing around with it in the house, I notice that the focusing actually does seam a bit better than the GH1's. I've had a lot of good photos with the GH1 but I've had a few photos in which I wish it would have been more in focus. This was another reason I wanted to upgrade. There are obviously other reasons.

The body itself looks much more professional than the GH1's. Obviously Panasonic want's DSLR users to feel more right at home but a digital viewfinder (which is really an extremely high quality one) combined with the much smaller size makes it look a little awkward especially with the 20mm lens. It's a little hard to explain in words how weird that looks. Like the GH1, the GH2 with the 20mm lens can easily fit in a lot of coat pockets.

My dislikes:
-I wish it had a shutter speed of 24 and 120. A lot of cameras are the same way but still.
-The battery is different than the GH1's. It looks like a precautionary measure just in-case the firmware gets hacked. Besides higher bit rates, that hack also allows people to remove the European 30 minute restriction and the ability to use third party batteries.
It looks like you cannot go from regular to tele mode during record. You have to choose it before hand before you start recording. That could have really been a cool effect.
-It's very hard to find spare batteries in the US at the moment.
-Their is a slow motion feature but it only goes to 80% speed I believe. It would have been better if it was 40% speed which is 60p slowed down to 24p.
-Knowing me, wanting a 1080 60p mode shouldn't be surprising.
-I wish the bit rates for all modes were higher.
-I'm poorer now for buying it.



I originally wanted to only tell you people that 2 of my videos is going to be up shortly and give a link to a cool video I found on Vimeo but I got a bit carried away.
http://vimeo.com/17942063
post #78 of 416
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OK, here are a couple of my first uploaded GH2 videos.
http://www.vimeo.com/17969028
http://www.vimeo.com/17970275
post #79 of 416
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Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira View Post

OK, here are a couple of my first uploaded GH2 videos.
http://www.vimeo.com/17969028
http://www.vimeo.com/17970275

too much out of focus, i am puzzled when you say about the superior prformance of the 700s do you use a tv with above standard resolution to tell the difference , my 3 1080p tvs will only resolve so much detail and for me anyway the look of the picture meens far more than a tad of sharpness even if the tv could resolve it,one of mine is the last pioneer tvs made before sadly panasonic took over from them.
post #80 of 416
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Like I said in the description, I'm not sure if the auto focusing setting I used was ideal. There could have been a better setting. One thing is for sure, with the combination of f/1.7 and little lighting, the auto focusing works far harder than if it was in broad daylight with f/11 for example. Plus I did say it was completely hand held. That lens doesn't have a stabilizer unlike the 14-140 which not only has an excellent one, the auto focusing is very close to the quality of a dedicated camcorder. Believe me, before I uploaded those, I was already anticipating critical comments because I know how bad they look. You could say it's also a torture test for the lens with all the people going by.



With the TM700 you get better looking motion with 1080 60p. Even in 1080 60i mode the picture will still look better than the GH2's because of it's better encoding abilities. Plus you don't get the moire and aliasing that you usually get in DSLRs. Yes the GH2 handles those much better than any DSLR but it's still not close to a dedicated HD camcorder. The AF100 on the other hand is a different story. Panasonic not only controlled the moire and aliasing perfectly fine, even the skew effects are controlled properly. Still, it's a $4,795 camera. For a significantly higher price tag, you'd expect much better performance. I basically like images that are as defect free as possible. That's one of the reasons I definitely wouldn't mind owning a 2/3" Scarlet.

I have a 32" Sony EX710. Basically 1080p and 120 hertz. When it comes to moire, it doesn't matter what kind of TV you have to see it easily when it happens.
post #81 of 416
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Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira View Post

Like I said in the description, I'm not sure if the auto focusing setting I used was ideal. There could have been a better setting. One thing is for sure, with the combination of f/1.7 and little lighting, the auto focusing works far harder than if it was in broad daylight with f/11 for example. Plus I did say it was completely hand held. That lens doesn't have a stabilizer unlike the 14-140 which not only has an excellent one, the auto focusing is very close to the quality of a dedicated camcorder. Believe me, before I uploaded those, I was already anticipating critical comments because I know how bad they look. You could say it's also a torture test for the lens with all the people going by.



With the TM700 you get better looking motion with 1080 60p. Even in 1080 60i mode the picture will still look better than the GH2's because of it's better encoding abilities. Plus you don't get the moire and aliasing that you usually get in DSLRs. Yes the GH2 handles those much better than any DSLR but it's still not close to a dedicated HD camcorder. The AF100 on the other hand is a different story. Panasonic not only controlled the moire and aliasing perfectly fine, even the skew effects are controlled properly. Still, it's a $4,795 camera. For a significantly higher price tag, you'd expect much better performance. I basically like images that are as defect free as possible. That's one of the reasons I definitely wouldn't mind owning a 2/3" Scarlet.

I have a 32" Sony EX710. Basically 1080p and 120 hertz. When it comes to moire, it doesn't matter what kind of TV you have to see it easily when it happens.

with a DSLR Tripods or at least brace are a must, what i find strange is why you bother with DSLR when the cam is so great, having said that steve on hv forums took my advice and bought a pana 700 only to hate it and send it back,but i doubt good and sharp video footage as they give could a video like this be made with one [wish it was mine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU5M8hC_TvE
post #82 of 416
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Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira View Post

I'm talking about the GH2 beating the TM700 in low light environments once you put a fast lens on.



I have time to do some shooting today with the GH2 and I might post some things tonight.

Ah, so you got it! Good for you and let us know what you think. Enjoy!
post #83 of 416
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Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira View Post

With the TM700 you get better looking motion with 1080 60p. Even in 1080 60i mode the picture will still look better than the GH2's because of it's better encoding abilities. Plus you don't get the moire and aliasing that you usually get in DSLRs. Yes the GH2 handles those much better than any DSLR but it's still not close to a dedicated HD camcorder. The AF100 on the other hand is a different story. Panasonic not only controlled the moire and aliasing perfectly fine, even the skew effects are controlled properly. Still, it's a $4,795 camera. For a significantly higher price tag, you'd expect much better performance. I basically like images that are as defect free as possible. That's one of the reasons I definitely wouldn't mind owning a 2/3" Scarlet.

I have a 32" Sony EX710. Basically 1080p and 120 hertz. When it comes to moire, it doesn't matter what kind of TV you have to see it easily when it happens.

Yup. This is why IMO DSLRs are generally not well-suited to video. The environment must be very well controlled to avoid issues such as moire. With cams like the 700, that's a non-issue and the video looks much more pristine as a result.

But as I've said before, it does seem the GH2 does a much better job than any prior DSLR (including the GH1) in controlling moire. I'm selling my NEX5 because I just can't stand the moire that's so often visible. It astounds me that some people either don't see it or aren't bothered by it.

Tomorrow I'll get a first-hand look at this puppy and see how it stacks up against the 700 from a video perspective.

Paulo, I'm able to see past your focusing issues in the ice skating clips and I'm very impressed with the low-light capabilities using that lens. Very very clean video. What surprises me (and it could be because the video was embedded) is that it doesn't open up full screen on my 1920X1080 monitor unless I activate scaling. It almost seems as if it originated as a 720p file.

How would you compare it thus far to the GH1?
post #84 of 416
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post #85 of 416
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Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira View Post

I originally wanted to only tell you people that 2 of my videos is going to be up shortly and give a link to a cool video I found on Vimeo but I got a bit carried away.
http://vimeo.com/17942063

Is the tilt-shift an effect on the GH2 on that video or did they use a tilt-shift lens?
post #86 of 416
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That was obviously not my best shooting at all. It was my first outing with the GH2 and just having some fun.

I ask myself the same thing when it came to why I bought the GH2 when I want a TM700 badly. I'm into photography as well although I don't talk about it as much here and the TM700's photo mode is junk compared to it. I've wished the GH1 had that crop mode and the fact that the GH2 has it is another reason. Now when I'm shooting important events at night, I'll shoot much better than those 2 clips and the low light quality should be better on the GH2. With all that said, I did say in the past that I also plan on getting one of Panasonic's 1080 60p camcorders. I just have to sell my hack-able GH1 body first and use the money toward it. They really do compliment each other.
post #87 of 416
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Ken,
Try to hit "HD" on the lower right part of the screen and then try to expend it.

v1rtu0s1ty,
From what he said in the comments, He used mostly the stock 14-140mm lens and the 7-14mm lens so basically he must have done that in post.
post #88 of 416
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Originally Posted by flintyplus View Post

with a DSLR Tripods or at least brace are a must, what i find strange is why you bother with DSLR when the cam is so great, having said that steve on hv forums took my advice and bought a pana 700 only to hate it and send it back,but i doubt good and sharp video footage as they give could a video like this be made with one [wish it was mine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU5M8hC_TvE


Pana are certainly putting out good products but as long as the opposition can make films like the music video and http://www.vimeo.com/14945627 there will be fierce competition which is a good thing.
post #89 of 416
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Originally Posted by flintyplus View Post

Pana are certainly putting out good products but as long as the opposition can make films like the music video and http://www.vimeo.com/14945627 there will be fierce competition which is a good thing.

They should have used a GH2 for that video since it would show more fine detail then the Canon 5D MKII.

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NOTES ON IMAGE QUALITY VERUS 5D MARK II and GH1

Image quality is subjective. Some have valid reasons for liking the 5D Mark II and it's full frame sensor. Some will love the 60D's image. But Canon are now significantly behind Panasonic in terms of the overall video performance.

The Panasonic GH2 resolves significantly more detail with less noise than even the 5D Mark II at ISO 3200.

It's sensor is 3 years newer than the 5D Mark II's which accounts somewhat for the M43 sized sensor being able to catch up with full frame beast, coupled with poor image processor in video mode on the 5D Mark II. In terms of stills mode with RAW photos, 5D Mark II's sensor stretches it's full frame muscles and moves way ahead of the GH2 as you'd expect, and it gives you an insight into how important video processing chips are.

Compared to the hacked GH1, 44Mbit is no match for 24mbit on a proper AVCHD encoder. The hacked GH1 looks pale and low contrast in comparison, it doesn't handle wide highly detailed shots as well, nor does it live up to claims of being better than the GH2 on fast motion / whip pans. It's also less saturated, especially at ISO 1600 and it has more banding. Some more so than others.

I have not noticed a single hint of mud on the GH2 since I got it and all the nit pickers uploading still shots from the GH2 with big arrows pointing at mud have not helped me notice it either. If it is there, then it's something only idiots notice!

The GH2 *is* better than the hacked GH1 in every way. Period.

http://www.eoshd.com/content/465-Can...-Review-Part-2
post #90 of 416
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Originally Posted by Paulo Teixeira View Post

Ken,
Try to hit "HD" on the lower right part of the screen and then try to expend it.

Yup, did that, but it's still a cropped on all 4 sides image...but it is in HD.
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