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post #481 of 590
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Originally Posted by weneversleep View Post


I am. A Harmony 880. And, yes, there are discrete IR codes for all inputs. Works great.

How did you get the discrete codes to show up? I only see the option to toggle through them in the Harmony software.
post #482 of 590
Hi!

I have recently ordered the YSP-2200 (LINK - http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-YSP-2200-Digital-Sound-Projector/dp/B004E10JZW/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1345145647&sr=1-1&keywords=ysp+2200). I was reading the following article and found this remark:
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Tilting up the sub box also helped make the lower-midrange sound more unified, since the bass box contributes plenty of sound well above 100 Hz. And while the YSP-2200 sub produces satisfactory bass extension for casual home theater and music playback, its extension is modest, falling off rapidly below, at a guess, 50 Hz.

Since I just had to know, I ran a quick frequency-response sweep on the YSP-2200’s sub output and found that it crossed over at 400 Hz and was high-passed below about 50 Hz, no doubt to protect the little woofers. It also produced about 10 watts maximum to the sub. For a lark, I tried piggybacking a 12-inch active sub, set for very low low-pass, to span the missing octave-plus with great effect. I’d recommend this adaptation to anyone planning a “serious” YSP-2200-based system.)

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article/test-report-yamaha-ysp-2200-digital-sound-projector?page=0,1

I have an Athena AS-P400 (link: http://www.amazon.com/Athena-AS-P400-10-Inch-400-Watt-Subwoofer/dp/B0002H4YQW) from a previous set up. Previously, I had only connected the sub via the "sub out" connection on my receiver. Is there some other way to connect this sub to the YSP-2200? Any help would be greatly appreciated!!!
post #483 of 590
Question about connections. I skimmed through the forums and I think it's clear, but want to double check.

I want to use the soundbar for all audio, and don't anticipate needing sound from / to my Vizio TV (which does NOT have an HDMI//ARC).

Am I able to wire my cable box and bluray to the HDMI YSP2200 inputs, and then use the YSP2200 OUT (ARC) to the Vizio TV HDMI input? Will that get the sound to the YSP2200 and the video signal to the Vizio TV?

I have an old school xbox I'll have to route VGA directly to the TV and then use an optical cable to the soundbar, but I don't see that being an issue.

In this setup, I don't see any need to run an optical cable from the optical output on the TV to the audio input TV on the YSP2200, as indicated in page 14 of the manual.

Maybe I'm over thinking it.

Thanks
post #484 of 590
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Originally Posted by PG13 View Post

Am I able to wire my cable box and bluray to the HDMI YSP2200 inputs, and then use the YSP2200 OUT (ARC) to the Vizio TV HDMI input? Will that get the sound to the YSP2200 and the video signal to the Vizio TV?

Yes
post #485 of 590
Curious what settings you guys run on this system. Not the Intellibeam settings but the sound setup settings. More specifically... tone control, subwoofer, and DRC settings?

And also, if I use the optical cable vs HDMI, will I still get the same encodings? I hate using ARC on my TV.... it does weird things with my soundbar. It randomly switches to the "TV" input so I figured I'd just run an optical cable to the soundbar.

EDIT: Added my settings...

Treble: 0.0
Bass: 1.0
Subwoofer level: 0.5
LFE: -3
DRC: off

I'm just confused on how to set up tone/sub. Do I just play around with the settings and set it to my liking? How much bass/sub level, treble, etc?
Edited by MooN77 - 11/21/12 at 10:08am
post #486 of 590
Can someone please help me get the best audio out of the yamaha 2200? I have it in the master bedroom and need to know what the best way to manually set this thing up is.. I lost the cardboard piece for the Mic for auto setup and i tried just placing the mic on my pillow and it gives me only 3 channel surround sound versus before when I had the cardboard it gave me Intellibeam 5 Plus 2. That cardboard piece must really make a big difference I'm assuming? With the way my room is setup, I'm not able to get the soundbar in the center of the room since the windows are there so it is right in front of my bed.

Can someone walk me through all of the manual setup and how to measure each one or give me a general guideline on what to put for different settings?

Also, what is the best way to hear voices better? I turned up the center speaker pretty significantly.. I also have the Univolume on, does this matter?

Please help me in any way that you can.

I would greatly appreciate it!

Thanks
post #487 of 590
Also, I am wanting to know what people do with the Ch. Levels? You can do up to +10 on each speaker or down to -10. I want a general idea of what the numbers should be if that is possible?
post #488 of 590
Can someone please help?
post #489 of 590
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Originally Posted by iStorm View Post

Can someone please help me get the best audio out of the yamaha 2200? I have it in the master bedroom and need to know what the best way to manually set this thing up is.. I lost the cardboard piece for the Mic for auto setup and i tried just placing the mic on my pillow and it gives me only 3 channel surround sound versus before when I had the cardboard it gave me Intellibeam 5 Plus 2. That cardboard piece must really make a big difference I'm assuming? With the way my room is setup, I'm not able to get the soundbar in the center of the room since the windows are there so it is right in front of my bed.
Can someone walk me through all of the manual setup and how to measure each one or give me a general guideline on what to put for different settings?
Also, what is the best way to hear voices better? I turned up the center speaker pretty significantly.. I also have the Univolume on, does this matter?
Please help me in any way that you can.
I would greatly appreciate it!
Thanks

hi... sorry I cant give you my exact settings as I am at work but can give you some general advice.

Set it up manually.. there is one screen for each "position" i.e front left.. rear right etc sit there with eyes shut and adjust them. you will get far FAR better separation. (after auto set up my front right was coming from the centre!!) As for length that matters when your bar positioning is not equal length for each speaker position - my tv/bar and room are (luckily) equal distances so i haven't had to play with that but if they are not I suggest getting the tape measure out and measure where the beam is traveling for each position.

I have angled my bar up slightly only because it is below the tv and I want the centre directly at me... I have found this has helped with speech from the centre speaker. Also, adjust the sound beam width (if that is the right term) as i found I set it up in one spot on the sofa and the person next to me wasn't getting the effects properly.

My last piece of advice and this probably goes for all equipment you ever buy (be it tv/remote/speakers) is revisit the settings several times.. weeks later. You'll be able to fine tune it far better. If you need more info post it here and I will take a look over the weekend at my set up.
post #490 of 590
I had ordered this, but it went out of stock. I have since been wondering if the sonic hole and unimpressive sub specs would disappoint me. I will only be using this for movies. Do you owners feel the tiny speakers do a good enough job of replicating the full spectrum of movie sounds or should I consider the YSP-3300?

I'm replacing an Orb audio system that I found didn't reproduce the semi-low sound of gun fire and conceptually I see this system struggling to reproduce similar sounds as well as deep base . But I've found no place to listen to one of these so I'm going off conjecture with no facts ffor my concerns. Any advice is greatly appreciated.

I much prefer the 2200 price point, but also don't want to purchase and be disappointed.

Forgive typos, sent via mobile device.
post #491 of 590
Cardboard doesn't make a difference - the ysp-3300 mic is threaded, which means means to be placed on a tripod if you want. You can tape your mic to a ruler or a broomstick or a 2x4 if you want, anything to get it to ear height - lets face it, if a person is at that spot, they are going to block signals, so as long as whatever you place the mic on isn't bigger than a person, it is fine.

Oh, btw - bought the ysp-3300 on ebay for under $1k from buy.com. It arrived quickly and in perfect condition (box is huge and well-packed). A few weeks earlier they had it listed, but that was before I saw that others sites had it in stock. As soon as it was officially available other places, I checked back on ebay, saw they had 4 available and bought it. None as currently listed on buy.com's ebay site. Very pleased with purchase.
Edited by Zombeezy - 12/30/12 at 5:07pm
post #492 of 590
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Originally Posted by Zombeezy View Post

Cardboard doesn't make a difference - the ysp-3300 mic is threaded, which means means to be placed on a tripod if you want. You can tape your mic to a ruler or a broomstick or a 2x4 if you want, anything to get it to ear height - lets face it, if a person is at that spot, they are going to block signals, so as long as whatever you place the mic on isn't bigger than a person, it is fine.
Oh, btw - bought the ysp-3300 on ebay for under $1k from buy.com. It arrived quickly and in perfect condition (box is huge and well-packed). A few weeks earlier they had it listed, but that was before I saw that others sites had it in stock. As soon as it was officially available other places, I checked back on ebay, saw they had 4 available and bought it. None as currently listed on buy.com's ebay site. Very pleased with purchase.

Zombeezy, what are your thoughts on the 3300 sub? I'm about to pull the trigger on the 2200 thinking I'llwant a bigger sub rregardless of choice so why not save $500 with the 2200. However if the 3300 sub is solid I might spring for the 3300.
post #493 of 590
Thanks for asking, but I'm probably the last guy to ask, lol. I only get to watch a few hours on my Pro-60X5FD a month, since my family dominates it.

I ran the AIX Records Audio Calibration Disc/HD Music Sampler blu-ray because I was curious about the Subwoofer Crossover Test, and my ears said it was a smooth sweep "handoff" from the sub to the center unit.

After setting the ARC on the Elite, I ran the YSP-3300 auto-setup in my oddly-shaped room, and was pretty satisfied with it as is. I did bump up the center channel volume a notch or two, but otherwise left it. I have the wireless sub about 10 feet off to the left and only rarely does it sound like that is where it is coming from, so will probably leave it. Wife is pleased as well, and she was the one who hadn't noticed when I had my old Sony KDSR50XBR1 calibrated.

I'm still waiting to see somebody of authority review this, but hey, if my wife is happy and I am pleased enough, no complaints from me! Certainly not after saving $500 on it as well. I did NOT get it to try and fale out a surround sound, but the full music and sounds effects in movies while being able to hear dialogue is a winner in this household.
post #494 of 590
Zombeezy:

Can you describe your room? Does it have four reflecting walls, or a large open area on one side?

Do you get good surround effects?
post #495 of 590
If you look at the manual for the 2200 or 3300, there are examples of installing in a non-square room, particularly irregularly shaped rooms that are open to a hallway on one side. The picture that shows a TV diagonally placed in a corner is most like mine. Very high ceiling, glass french doors directly to right of TV and at far end where the left side bounces off.

When the family is out of town in a couple of weeks, I will run through the install program again to get it back to the settings prior to my tweaking it a little, then see if I can tweak it better by running through a lot of the options. When running the AIX Records Audio Calibration Disc/HD Music Sampler blu-ray (which I seem to recall came with the Elite TV) to check all channels, I can momentarily hear the sound behind me on the left side when the tone first starts, but then can only hear it in front left side. I don't hear that at all on right rear. Mostly just an increased awareness of a soundstage in the front with nice bass and voice clarity. Again, with my expectations of this rather than surround, I'm happy. If I can make it so I can actually also hear in the 4th & 5th pseudo-speakers behind me or beside me rather than just in an expanded front due to ctr, rt, left, & sub, that would be neat as well but not necessary. I need to find some source great for testing that. Currently, in Avatar when Jake comes off the transport after arriving on the planet, I do remember hearing one of the AMPS (Amplified Mobility Platform Suit?) nicely tromping from right to the left and it sounds like more than just right front to left front speaker transition.
post #496 of 590
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Originally Posted by Zombeezy View Post

If you look at the manual for the 2200 or 3300, there are examples of installing in a non-square room, particularly irregularly shaped rooms that are open to a hallway on one side. The picture that shows a TV diagonally placed in a corner is most like mine. Very high ceiling, glass french doors directly to right of TV and at far end where the left side bounces off...
...Currently, in Avatar when Jake comes off the transport after arriving on the planet, I do remember hearing one of the AMPS (Amplified Mobility Platform Suit?) nicely tromping from right to the left and it sounds like more than just right front to left front speaker transition.

Thanks for the very useful response.

Fascinating stuff, acoustics and psychoacoustics.

My living room is nearly open (a large "arch" leading to the small dining room), with only about one quarter of that rear area actually being wall,

Looking forward to your tweaking.
post #497 of 590
Which diagram in the manual would best show your room? I downloaded both 2200 & 3300 manuals (from the NL Yamaha overseas site if I recall so I didn't have to register) and looked at the diagrams to see if my room was addressed.

Using those as a reference, draw a quick diagram to place your TV and walls correctly, then draw five beams in straight lines and reflected lines variety of ways to see you can can make them bounce for left and right front plus center; or left and right front, left and right rear, plus center. If straight line beams and their reflections can be drawn, you should be able to configure it that way.

Basically, if you think of this having 16 speakers that can individually adjust beam angle, delay, volume and quality, it makes sense that there is a fair amount of control to direct the sound. All the diagrams show five beams for simplicity, Let's say you have a few to the left and a few to the right angled to bounce off a close wall and a distance wall. Sound volume as perceived should be the same in each as it arrives to your ears, but depending on how much it is bounced or delayed, they may be in front of or behind your ears when they arrive. And if a wall is missing and a beam can't boucne off something to arrive from behind, you can't easily get a surround effect.
post #498 of 590
I started reading through the threads here, but far too many so my apologies if this has already been covered. I have a PS3 and a motorola DVR connected to my YSP-2200. My audio out is 5 beam + 2. This shows up on the display, but I'm wondering about DTS MA and True HD. When these formats are played, should the display on the 2200 indicate this as mine is not showing it and I'm wondering if I am missing a setting either in the 2200 or in my PS3.

Thanks
post #499 of 590
This is one of the problems with a small display window on a soundbar instead of having a big AVR display - I'm constantly hitting buttons to see if things are set a certain way as I learn more about it. Plain and simple - not enough info displayed. There is an info button which cycles though what you see displayed - input - beam - decoder selected - DSP, but I haven't used it yet since I just noticed it now, lol.

I also see 5Beam as what is normally displayed and can barely read smaller print above it that might say "univolume" or "enhancer". I don't see any indication that the 3300 actually shows anything specific when playing DTS MA or True HD, but recall something showing when I played the AIX Records Audio Calibration Disc/HD Music Sampler blu-ray. Might have said True HD. I'll try it when i get home and report back.
post #500 of 590
Before I inserted the AIX Records Audio Calibration Disc/HD Music Sampler blu-ray, the display on my 3300 only read "HDMI2" and "TX". While the music is playing, it says the same thing. You have to cycle through the Info button for more.

When I pressed the YSP-3300 info button before I played the music, each press of the button cycled through
Input - HDMI2
Beam - 5BEAM
Decoder - OFF
Cinema DSP - OFF

When playing the HD music on the sampler disc, each press of the info button showed:

Input - HDMI2
Beam - 5BEAM+2
Decoder - Dolby TrueHD / Dolby PLIIx Movie
Cinema DSP - OFF
post #501 of 590
Until you expounded on the YSPs I wasn't aware that the drivers could move in response to the differing beam requirements. I was under the impression that you could only adjust the amount of volume that came out of any one driver.

Fascinating.
post #502 of 590
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Originally Posted by babgvant View Post

How did you get the discrete codes to show up? I only see the option to toggle through them in the Harmony software.

I would like to know this as well. I am using a Harmony One and it appears as though the Harmony software includes discrete inputs for the 3 audio inputs, but not for the 3 hdmi inputs. I have a digital DVR set top box, PS3 and blu-ray player all connected via hdmi and cannot switch between sources unless I toggle through them as you would do with the original remote. It would be nice to have these as discrete inputs so toggling wouldn't be necessary.
post #503 of 590
Hi,

I am looking to buy this but need to wall mount it, can anyone recommend some mounts that work well please ?

thanks
post #504 of 590
Also,

what is the best thing to use to stream music from my android and wife's iphone ?

thanks
post #505 of 590
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Originally Posted by simonoaks View Post

Also,
what is the best thing to use to stream music from my android and wife's iphone ?
thanks

I believe that there are optional docking and bluetooth options but you can also use 1 of those adapters and connect it into the RCA jack in the back of the soundbar:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10218&cs_id=1021817&p_id=9768&seq=1&format=2
post #506 of 590
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Originally Posted by simonoaks View Post

Hi,
I am looking to buy this but need to wall mount it, can anyone recommend some mounts that work well please ?
thanks

has no-one wall mounted this ?
post #507 of 590
Hi,
If anyone is interested , you can get this for 578 delivered from savingslot. They just got a batch in. I just cancelled my order as I am going to wait for my 64e7000 to arrive and wall mount it first as the 2200 can't be wall mounted easily I will have a think about a solution, or chose a different sound bar. shame that Yammy couldn't simply make it mountable frown.gif
post #508 of 590
Look for a mount that has optional soundbar brackets, it is easier than mounting to the wall.
post #509 of 590
I just bought the YSP-2200 at Best Buy. I have not had a chance to listen to it, but I bought it based off of the good reviews in this thread. I hope the "sonic hole" problem is not so great that I have to return it in favor of the YSP-3300, which I really can't afford. I will be using it 40% for movies, 40% for video games, and 20% for music.
post #510 of 590
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Originally Posted by Scynd View Post

I just bought the YSP-2200 at Best Buy. I have not had a chance to listen to it, but I bought it based off of the good reviews in this thread. I hope the "sonic hole" problem is not so great that I have to return it in favor of the YSP-3300, which I really can't afford. I will be using it 40% for movies, 40% for video games, and 20% for music.

I'm with you, can't afford the 3300 either, but it's the only thing holding me back on teh 2200. I will be using it 90% for movies and 8% video games and 2% music so if your review is solid for movies i'm ordering it.
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