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I do, and really appreciate this mod! Fan has been ordered...
Bryan

Glad to help!
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One thing you've talked about, but not in a while, is acoustic treatments. What plans do you have for that?
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One thing you've talked about, but not in a while, is acoustic treatments. What plans do you have for that?

Good question, short answer at this point as I have no plans. It's one thing I have fitted over throughout the design process seeing how so many have created panels and traps to suit their needs and requirements. That being said, MMan has convinced me that the use of transducers as the audio source and the design of the walls, the "bumps" as I call them, will address much of the acoustic treatment issues. I'll let him explain that if he wants to chime in.

I am concerned about the bass, and whether or not I need to do some form of traps. I have four subs, two large Outlaws in the front and two compact Outlaws in the rear. I cannot do any corner traps in the rear, but I could install them behind the angled walls in the front of the room. These would be in between the subs and the audience, so I have no idea if that will even do anything.

As for the side walls, the spaces between the bumps I painted, but could be transformed into panels if necessary.

As you can see, I don't have the best knowledge on the whole acoustic treatment issue. Something I have to read up on far more. That being said, right now in a completely uncalibrated room, the sound is quite something. That doesn't mean it couldn't get a whole lot better though. I think that my best option might be to spring for a calibrator to come out and do their thing. From there I would know what I'm dealing with.

I'd be happy to hear any suggestions or recommendations anyone has!
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To be honest, with the way your audio is set up I'm willing to bet MM is right. However, when it comes to bass you may (maybe) need to do something. You have four subs so that is already going to eliminate lots of the room modes you might have encountered otherwise. From everything I've read that is the best way to get nice, even bass. From what I've read as long as you don't notice any luls, or frequencies that seem to be much louder than others you should be fine.
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As I feared, little to no time of late to work on the theater. Heck, I haven't even been able to find time to watch a movie! I did watch the last hour of the US Open on Father's Day in there, and that was pretty cool.

I did order and receive four chairs for the back bar from Frontgate.com. More than I wanted to lay out, but we could really find anything that delivered all the way around (style, comfort, fit, etc.). But they do look and feel great. Perfect size.

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post #336 of 368
I'm ready to "Belly up" to that Bar in those Chairs!
It is my opinion that the addition of all those Sub-Bass Tactile Transducers in the 3 levels of Flooring, properly blended with the output of the 4 Outlaws, and combined with the lower roll-off point possible with the Audio Transducers (60hz) will deliver emphatic Bass response without the necessary volume (...and resultant SPLs...) that would otherwise require much more extensive Room treatments (large Bass Traps)

I would also suppose much will depend upon the governing level of Volume RTD wants his system to reach, because with the enormas amounts of wattage available, and what with the saturation of resonant sound throughout the room, it's of a certainty things could get hairy if decibel levels get excessive. It is my opinion that if such does occur, primarily all that will be needed will be some Trapping material in the Rear of the room where there are far less Transducers to effect any degree of masking from standing Bass waves. It's the amount of Bass capable that is the only real concern, being in the least an unknown factor as far as need or desire..

Also for certain, this is among the most ambitious Transducer projects I've been involved with in over 34 years dealing with the little thingees, owning to both the Room's design and the degree of Equipment selection / available power. So getting down to some effective calibration will be the telling point to reach. Personally, all I can see is that with any such well done calibration, it can only get better than what RTD has already expressed it is. And Brothers....that bodes well for everything to come.

The acid test for the sound and image will come however when / if RTD can decide to host a Home Theater Reveal for interested AVS aficionados. All the guys I think might attend such an invite are extremely critical in their opinions and judgements, and if everything passes muster, much credibility will come from such expressions.
At least there is not a soul who would / could ever doubt the cosmetic appeal of the Theater as designed. Yes? smile.gif No eek.gif
post #337 of 368
RedTop - are there any maker's marks on that cool vintage exit light you had refurbished? I am using a classic deco style for my theater and would like to try to source one similar if I can. Any screen shots coming? Thanks!
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RedTop - are there any maker's marks on that cool vintage exit light you had refurbished?

Mmmmm, Maker's Mark.

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RedTop - are there any maker's marks on that cool vintage exit light you had refurbished? I am using a classic deco style for my theater and would like to try to source one similar if I can. Any screen shots coming? Thanks!

Sorry for being away for so long!

Unfortunately, there are no marks on this at all. I purchased it over eBay from the seller "tomthewom". His storefront is http://stores.ebay.com/tomthewom?_rdc=1. I don't see anything like it up there, but you might contact him directly and see if he can help source one.

Good luck!
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Thank you VERY much for the information!!!! Tom and I actually spoke earlier today - very nice guy. He may be able to help me.

By the way? Where are the screen shots for your theater??? biggrin.gif
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Thank you VERY much for the information!!!! Tom and I actually spoke earlier today - very nice guy. He may be able to help me.
By the way? Where are the screen shots for your theater??? biggrin.gif

Screen shots? Progress? Good question!

Seems everything came to a screeching halt near the end of June. While we have used it to watch a lot of movies since then, I have had little to no time to do ANYTHING since. And it's not because I turned the PJ on, like has happened to many others. Life has just taken over everywhere else with work, kids, etc.

MMan wanted some shots for an expo he was doing, so I quickly and roughtly Photoshop-ed a couple together. I haven't even calibrated the PJ yet! At least it's something to show. On the "Full Lights" shots, I have every light on in the room, including two cans that flood the screen wall. I'd say the screen wall does pretty darn good considering all that light going onto it.

As you see, one of the biggest tasks is the screen wall, including the 4-way masking system. Sure hope all those motors and parts I ordered months ago work! Other than that, the whole remote control system has to be done and I've been working on it here and there (iRule). To do it right takes a lot of time!

Shot 1 - Full Lights

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Shot 1 - Lights Off

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Shot 1 - Combined Photos

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Shot 2 - Full Lights

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Shot 2 - Lights Off

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post #342 of 368
RTD......,

Are those Floods or Spots in those Cans? Spots would make a huge difference if what we are seeing are in fact Floods.

Just say'in. smile.gif

BTW, your dead on about the screen's performance under what is an obscene amount of directed light. Considering the sheer size of the image, and the throw distance involved, even I'm impressed that the image remains as "resolved" as it does. One can only speculate at present what the appearance would be if the "Above the Screen" Can Lights were left off while the others remained at Full Illumination.

Another good addition to the Forward Cans besides changing over to spots would be to install "Eyelid" Shields, with the opening toward the seating. For that matter, those type Can Shields (...also referred to as "Wall Wash Lenses...) would cast a directed illumination against the Walls, that while still providing both accented highlighting to the decor and more than sufficient room illumination for a "Theater" environment, would greatly reduce the amount of detrimental ambient light in the room.

.......once again....just say'in cool.gif

And before I go....( I'm fleeing the Gulf Coast just ahead of the big Blow that's a'comin'....) I gotta say thanks to you (...and Cowager too! ) for getting me some shots to use. Greatly appreciated!
post #343 of 368
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MMan,

They are flood lights, pretty sure. I have them on a different GE zone, but I don't have my remote control system all set up and the GE panels are behind the A/V racks. Therefore it was too much with the time given to turn just those off. I have thought about using different bulbs and using the shields/wash lenses.

Seeing the storm's path, I've been thinking about you down there. Best of luck! No problems with helping out! If you get/have an extra print copy you're using, be sure to mail me a copy!

RTD
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MMan,
They are flood lights, pretty sure. I have them on a different GE zone, but I don't have my remote control system all set up and the GE panels are behind the A/V racks. Therefore it was too much with the time given to turn just those off. I have thought about using different bulbs and using the shields/wash lenses.

Well then...It seems you have things well in hand and your obviously going down the path toward nirvana....so I'll leave you alone. wink.gif
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Seeing the storm's path, I've been thinking about you down there. Best of luck! No problems with helping out! If you get/have an extra print copy you're using, be sure to mail me a copy!
RTD

As for the Storm, Up just south of Memphis I'm due to get 12" of rain. Some Tornadoes, certainly.
As a fact, I just left the Gulf Coast (...Pass Christain, MS...) to beat the crush. Didn't work. Hwy 55 was jammed heading North.
I drove down very early yesterday Morning to do some work, and decided waiting until this evening to leave was just too risky. Where I was, the rain & wind was already scary bad well before dawn.
The Home I was at is a Stilt Home just 1.5 miles inland from a Beach, and the ground below it just 3' above Sea level.Hopefully everything will still be Ok when I return since it's just 1.5 miles from the beach (...on a Salt Water Canal no less...) at 6' elevation from sea level.


It had to be completely rebuilt from the Foundation Poles up after Katrina. (...the Poles were all there was to go forward with...) Definitely NOT a place to take chances in. eek.gif

Anyone so inclined...say a prayer for those who cannot get away. For those not so inclined to pray...keep them in your thoughts and wish them everyone to be safe.

Below is an image of the Living Room Theater in the Home down on the coast (Stilt home) It too shows a very acceptable image in high ambient light. It's a Painted Wall, and virtually the same shade of ultra light reflective Gray as your 180" biggie.

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post #345 of 368
How do you cut and paste the pictures for screen shots with the lights on?

Like what program and function etc... My wife has our pics and cant figure it out.
post #346 of 368
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I did it in Photoshop, cutting out sections from the dark shot (i.e. screen and star field) and then "layered" them onto the lights on photo.
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RedTop, I haven't checked in in quite some time. Glad I caught your updates. Things look great! The room has really pulled togethr nicely.

I've been looking for stools too, and it ain't easy. Yours fit all our criteria, but we need 24" models with no wheels. I'm not budgeted to put money towards them for another year though.... rolleyes.gif

I also like your technique on the photos. I'm going to try the same.
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RedTop, I haven't checked in in quite some time. Glad I caught your updates. Things look great! The room has really pulled togethr nicely.
I've been looking for stools too, and it ain't easy. Yours fit all our criteria, but we need 24" models with no wheels. I'm not budgeted to put money towards them for another year though.... rolleyes.gif
I also like your technique on the photos. I'm going to try the same.

Thanks Tony!

I hated spending that much on the chairs, but I searched and searched to find something that was right. Good luck to you.

I'm working on the whole remote control system now, building out an iRule system with a 7" tablet. So many hours to make something look AND work good. I have a combination of IR, IP, HTTP, and RS232 control going on, and getting it all to work out is very time consuming. I'm knocking out the graphics and one device at a time.
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Well, i have now read through the WHOLE thread smile.gif and i must say i impressed with all your (and MMs) work! I'm building my own little home cinema right now, not as nice as yours but it'll be alright!

Glad to see you using LED-strips in the ceiling light! I've been planning of doing the same but not RGB-strips. So it was really nice seeing it in "real life". I'm also using iRule and Global Cache, i've started to design the layout which is A LOT of work smile.gif

Just wanted to congratulate you on your fantastic home cinema project and thank you for all the pictures and inspiration!

//Kristofer
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Bumpin' for a Update.
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Big Badda Bump.....
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Wow! Just read the entire build thread. I commend you for the excellent work - in every aspect. So, one burning question of mine is how the sound is post-calibration?! I mean seven EP2000's... That is serious amplification. Anyway, just really curious how the subwoofers, transducers, and bass shakers all perform for you. I have seriously considered doing a project with bass shakers and the screen wall but never quite the in-wall transducers, due to lack of reviews. I am interested to hear what you have to say.smile.gif Thanks a lot! cool.gif
post #354 of 368
RTD-Great work-love the woodworking. Very nice build!
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Unfortunate to come so far on such an amazing theater then fall off the face of the forum.
Hopefullynothing worse than a busy life.

Bingo! Nothing worse than a busy life it is! While the theater has received a great deal of use (albeit not as much I'd would like - i.e. busy/tired life), I have not completed it. The major items remaining are:

1) Screen wall - Covering everything and building the DIY 4-way masking system. Terrible part is I have everything I need to do it except the time and energy. From the motors and rollers down to the cables, bearings, track and cloth.

2) Projector Housing - Never finished closing it off, getting the venting going, painting the door, etc.

3) LED Lighting - Still need to do one side wall of the theater

4) Miscellaneous Touch-Ups - All the little dings and dents that came from the finishing efforts AND now I need to redo some molding and ceiling due to a small water leak from a clogged HVAC drain line!
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Wow! Just read the entire build thread. I commend you for the excellent work - in every aspect. So, one burning question of mine is how the sound is post-calibration?! I mean seven EP2000's... That is serious amplification. Anyway, just really curious how the subwoofers, transducers, and bass shakers all perform for you. I have seriously considered doing a project with bass shakers and the screen wall but never quite the in-wall transducers, due to lack of reviews. I am interested to hear what you have to say.smile.gif Thanks a lot! cool.gif

I apologize for not getting back sooner. I must have missed an e-mail alert from AVS.

Only change I made thus far to everything was switching out the EP2000's with Crown XLS2000's. And the count of amps is actually 9 with two to drive the floor tactiles. Main reason for switching out was heat, power draw, configurability, and even greater amplification.

No, there's not much, if any, reviews/information on transducer-based systems. I went on a wing-and-a-prayer from MMan and we designed and installed this setup. All I can say is that it performs incredibly well. I'm not an audiophile, but I know when something sounds right and great - and this setup does. Do all transducer systems? Wouldn't know, and I doubt they wouldn't sound as good unless you had the expertise of someone like MMan on your side. There isn't a single person that comes over to watch TV or movie that isn't amazed by the sound quality and the fact that it's all coming through drywall!

Do it right, and you won't be disappointed. If you're ever in the area, don't hesitate to let me know if you want to come by and hear it.
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RTD-Great work-love the woodworking. Very nice build!

Thank you very much. Not to pat myself on the back, but every time I go in there I still cringe at going through all those cuts and installs!
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He's back!!! Awesome... biggrin.gif
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WOW... Lots of GOOD in this thread. I am going to need to read this a couple times biggrin.gif
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WOW... Lots of GOOD in this thread. I am going to need to read this a couple times biggrin.gif

Indeed. This build plus Mario's were the two that truly inspired me...
Edited by cowger - 8/9/13 at 10:38am
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