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post #2131 of 3139
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Originally Posted by |Tch0rT| View Post

This has probably been asked before but whatever. If when watching a video and I accidentally hit the back button and now the video is playing in the background with the skin GUI overlayed (like Movies, Music, TV Shows etc) how do I get it back into the regular player mode without stopping the video and restarting it again?

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post #2132 of 3139
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post


I don't get the argument. If its not needed why use it? What are you gaining by having something on to decrease usage on the CPU when the CPU is only using 10-20%?

Its not needed.

I wasnt arguing, I was just saying that it seems like with the nature of DXVA there would be issues with integrated graphics. I read around some more and it seems both Intel integrated GPU and AMD APUs have had similar issues with DXVA. For me while my CPU can handle running XBMC without DXVA I still enable it because I know my GPU will do a much better job and I'll be less likely to face issues. Plus I often have other things going on in the background.
post #2133 of 3139
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Originally Posted by Joeforsale View Post

For me while my CPU can handle running XBMC without DXVA I still enable it because I know my GPU will do a much better job and I'll be less likely to face issues.

Does it though? Is there anything to support this?

I haven't noticed a difference at all with my NVidia 430.
post #2134 of 3139
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Originally Posted by Joeforsale View Post

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post #2135 of 3139
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post


Does it though? Is there anything to support this?

I haven't noticed a difference at all with my NVidia 430.

I'll have to do a little more research to see
If there's support for it, seems like that would naturally be the case but I may be wrong. Can Nvidia even use DXVA? I thought it used VDPAU which has only been implemented in Linux builds.
post #2136 of 3139
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Originally Posted by Joeforsale View Post

Can Nvidia even use DXVA? I thought it used VDPAU which has only been implemented in Linux builds.

Yes. Here's a 10 second google search result...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4380/d...us-shootout/10

I've tested this and not seen any difference using a i3 2100 and G620T with DXVA off. GreenEyez is also using the Intel iGPU (I think) so maybe he can give his opinion as well.
post #2137 of 3139
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

Yes. Here's a 10 second google search result...

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4380/d...us-shootout/10

I've tested this and not seen any difference using a i3 2100 and G620T with DXVA off. GreenEyez is also using the Intel iGPU (I think) so maybe he can give his opinion as well.

With my AMD A4-3400 I need DXVA or the video studders badly.
post #2138 of 3139
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Originally Posted by dan4081 View Post

With my AMD A4-3400 I need DXVA or the video studders badly.

I am talking about the Intel iGPU and the comment that was made that "XBMC + intel graphics has always been pretty sketchy". Well this just isn't true and likely has been perpetuated for no reason just like a lot of stuff in HTPC.

For the lesser CPUs like the A4 I completely agree that offloading the CPU makes sense. For Intel and some of the more powerful AMD/Llano CPUs I don't know that it makes any difference.
post #2139 of 3139
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

I am talking about the Intel iGPU and the comment that was made that "XBMC + intel graphics has always been pretty sketchy". Well this just isn't true and likely has been perpetuated for no reason just like a lot of stuff in HTPC.

For Intel and some of the more powerful AMD/Llano CPUs I don't know that it makes any difference.

It would be nice to get to the bottom of this. My Mini 2010 has a 2.66GHz core 2 duo processor and Nvidia graphics. XBMC plays very well on it as does Plex. At one point hardware acceleration wasn't supported and it wasn't always smooth but playable for most files.

I also have a Shuttle atom D525 based system with Nvidia graphics and it is really smooth with hardware acceleration but unplayable without.

The "new" Minis use an i5/7 which you would suspect would not require graphics hardware acceleration. Since there is a big difference in price between the models that have Nvidia graphics and the ones using Intel 3000HD, it would be nice to know if, in fact, there were any advantage to having Nvidia. I suspect not but I am not sure and it's hard to get that info over at the xbmc forums.

Philip
post #2140 of 3139
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Originally Posted by pmcd View Post

It would be nice to get to the bottom of this. My Mini 2010 has a 2.66GHz core 2 duo processor and Nvidia graphics. XBMC plays very well on it as does Plex. At one point hardware acceleration wasn't supported and it wasn't always smooth but playable for most files.

I also have a Shuttle atom D525 based system with Nvidia graphics and it is really smooth with hardware acceleration but unplayable without.

The "new" Minis use an i5/7 which you would suspect would not require graphics hardware acceleration. Since there is a big difference in price between the models that have Nvidia graphics and the ones using Intel 3000HD, it would be nice to know if, in fact, there were any advantage to having Nvidia. I suspect not but I am not sure and it's hard to get that info over at the xbmc forums.

Philip

Didn't I just get to the bottom of it for you? Do you think I would sell HTPC with Intel iGPUs if this wasn't the case?
post #2141 of 3139
Assassin & pmcd,

Well, with GPU decoding you would have

- more efficient power consumption, since a Core i3 draws 12-13W more power decoding than in idle, while a HD5450 for example draws 2W more than sitting in idle.

- smoother FF/RW, but that`s mostly a kink because i don`t think anybody watches movies at 16x speed

- I like the Nvidia control panel, but that`s a personal preference.

Currently my Pentium G works fine with software decoding, at some point i may add a GT520 or something like that just for the heck of it.

PS: The Mac Mini (i presume that`s what you`re talking about , pmcd) uses an AMD 6630 GPU , not an Nvidia card.
post #2142 of 3139
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Originally Posted by GreenEyez View Post

Assassin & pmcd,

Well, with GPU decoding you would have

- more efficient power consumption, since a Core i3 draws 12-13W more power decoding than in idle, while a HD5450 for example draws 2W more than sitting in idle.

- smoother FF/RW, but that`s mostly a kink because i don`t think anybody watches movies at 16x speed

- I like the Nvidia control panel, but that`s a personal preference.

Currently my Pentium G works fine with software decoding, at some point i may add a GT520 or something like that just for the heck of it.

PS: The Mac Mini (i presume that`s what you`re talking about , pmcd) uses an AMD 6630 GPU , not an Nvidia card.

So almost nothing that is relevant.

BTW when discussing power consumption you have to factor in the entire HTPC (Motherboard, CPU, RAM, PSU, etc). While the i3 2100 might draw 13 more watts by your estimation that is the CPU ---AND--- the GPU. The 5450 draws about 2 watts at idle and 10-15 watts during playback (I used to have one. See below) ---PLUS--- whatever the CPU is using. So this is likely a wash if not a win for the iGPU.

The 16x FF is not a reason to consider one over the other, imo.

And the Intel vs AMD vs NVidia control panel is likely a personal choice. To me I can use any of those and be just fine (maybe with the exception of ATI's CCC drivers).

post #2143 of 3139
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post


Yes. Here's a 10 second google search result...
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Ok I wasn't aware. I have a much older NVIDIA card and it's in a machine that isn't running XBMC. The last I read hardware acceleration in XBMC was on Linux for NVIDIA (must have been an older article). How long it took you to search for that article wasnt necessary BTW.
post #2144 of 3139
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Originally Posted by Joeforsale View Post

Ok I wasn't aware. I have a much older NVIDIA card and it's in a machine that isn't running XBMC. The last I read hardware acceleration in XBMC was on Linux for NVIDIA (must have been an older article). How long it took you to search for that article wasnt necessary BTW.

I wasn't implying you were lazy not looking for it. I was saying that I grabbed the first one I saw which may or may not be the best and most accurate.

So I was pointing out that I was lazy/rushed (I was at work).

Geesh.
post #2145 of 3139
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post


I wasn't implying you were lazy not looking for it. I was saying that I grabbed the first one I saw which may or may not be the best and most accurate.

So I was pointing out that I was lazy/rushed (I was at work).

Geesh.

Haha, sorry then.
post #2146 of 3139
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Originally Posted by GreenEyez View Post

Assassin & pmcd,

PS: The Mac Mini (i presume that`s what you`re talking about , pmcd) uses an AMD 6630 GPU , not an Nvidia card.

Yes, sorry. It's AMD in the newer one. My 2010 model has the Nvidia. The Mac Mini is a very low power system, so that is not the main issue for me. I am also not into HD audio which makes things simpler. I am more interested in the availability of drivers for XBMC/Plex.

It's really being a bit picky here on my part. I have just read so many negative things about built in Intel graphics over at the XBMC forums, and elsewhere, that I am a bit paranoid about it. Also, my lowly Shuttle Atom system with Nvidia graphics works really well which makes me think that the graphics' card is important. If the CPU starts working too hard then the Mini's fan may become audible which is also annoying. As it is I can't ever hear it.

Does XBMC work properly with AMD graphics?

Philip
post #2147 of 3139
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Originally Posted by pmcd View Post

Yes, sorry. It's AMD in the newer one. My 2010 model has the Nvidia. The Mac Mini is a very low power system, so that is not the main issue for me. I am also not into HD audio which makes things simpler. I am more interested in the availability of drivers for XBMC/Plex.

It's really being a bit picky here on my part. I have just read so many negative things about built in Intel graphics over at the XBMC forums, and elsewhere, that I am a bit paranoid about it. Also, my lowly Shuttle Atom system with Nvidia graphics works really well which makes me think that the graphics' card is important. If the CPU starts working too hard then the Mini's fan may become audible which is also annoying. As it is I can't ever hear it.

Does XBMC work properly with AMD graphics?

Philip

The XBMC site is heavily slanted towards AMD. They state many things that are just completely wrong and inaccurate.

Here's one thread calling Intel iGPU "Poo" even though he had the wrong settings...
http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=122720

Failure to recognize that ALL graphics options don't necessarily do 24p correctly seen here:
http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php...intel+graphics

More misinformation here...
http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php...intel+graphics

I could go on and on.

XBMC forums are not a place to get accurate information about Intel options.
post #2148 of 3139
I'm looking for some audio help regarding the Cinema Experience add-on. Posted the same question on the CE boards but no response yet and hoping someone here might know the answer or be able to point me in the right direction.

The audio plays fine when watching movies normally through XBMC and when playing an audio file during the slide show part of CE. However, when the script is running the trailers or videos for the Feature Presentation Intro, etc. the volume is extremely low. I have to turn the volume all the way to 100% and can still barely hear it. I am using the HDMI setting on the audio options.

I can't link directly to my debug log on pastebin (not enough points) but I will type in the reference to it: LJFRL9Dg. I've been messing around with settings and various things for three days now with no luck. Any advice on a solution would be appreciated. Thanks!
post #2149 of 3139
Got this up and running the other day and love it soo much better then media center. Bitstreaming seams to work great. Love I can change the subtiltes from the menu on MKV's. Now I just need to load all my music in Flac and I'll be set..
post #2150 of 3139
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post

The XBMC site is heavily slanted towards AMD. They state many things that are just completely wrong and inaccurate.

Here's one thread calling Intel iGPU "Poo" even though he had the wrong settings...
http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=122720

Failure to recognize that ALL graphics options don't necessarily do 24p correctly seen here:
http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php...intel+graphics

More misinformation here...
http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php...intel+graphics

I could go on and on.

XBMC forums are not a place to get accurate information about Intel options.

But Intel Graphics are BOO-BOO

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?p=4174339

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4476/amd-a83850-review/5

Rasberry Pi's have started to ship and what will Intel fans have to say when a $35 credit card size board will play 1080P as well?

Mis-information or not, it is not the complete graphics solution Llano is and Trinity will be -

post #2151 of 3139
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Originally Posted by JamesVG81 View Post

Got this up and running the other day and love it soo much better then media center. Bitstreaming seams to work great. Love I can change the subtiltes from the menu on MKV's. Now I just need to load all my music in Flac and I'll be set..

I hate that, I watch several episodes at once, so I have to remux the files (Gundam Wing).

Otherwise, yes I like it better than Mediabrowser currently since its FREE with loads of skin options.

However ESPN3 app still doesn't work, I give it 3 out of 4 stars and its not Eden Project's fault but for BlueCop ignoring this issue.
post #2152 of 3139
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Originally Posted by dj4monie View Post

But Intel Graphics are BOO-BOO

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?p=4174339

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4476/amd-a83850-review/5

Rasberry Pi's have started to ship and what will Intel fans have to say when a $35 credit card size board will play 1080P as well?

Mis-information or not, it is not the complete graphics solution Llano is and Trinity will be

Sure, Llano has stronger graphics than the HD2000 for Madvr and Gaming. But guess what? There is absolutely ZERO difference for 1080p using XBMC (this is a XBMC thread, correct?)

Why are you linking to a gaming thread (actually a Gaming thread AND a Gaming review)? Who cares? Very few people play graphic intensive games on their HTPC. Link. And besides HD4000 is out now and will be getting cheaper as the year progresses.

If you want to game then really you are best served by a Intel i3/i5 and ATI or NVidia card, then Intel G530/620 and ATI or NVidia card, then the Ivy Bridge HD4000, then the Llano. Then the i3 HD3000.

Its pretty simple really.

But guess what? This is a HTPC forum. Most people here care about 1080p, 720p, etc and for that there is absolutely no difference in PQ.

So you can continue to misinform and spend time over at the XBMC forums where they still don't have a clue and spread this rubbish as most of them have probably never even tried a recent Intel iGPU. I have tried everything under the sun so you can believe what you want.

And if I wanted something like the Raspberry Pi I would have gotten something the WD Live (or other pathetic streamer) a long time ago and called it a day.
post #2153 of 3139
I can't wait to throw XBMC on a Raspberry Pi!!
post #2154 of 3139
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I can't wait to throw XBMC on a Raspberry Pi!!

Agreed. Should be very nice. I hope its less buggy than xbmc on the atv2.
post #2155 of 3139
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Agreed. Should be very nice. I hope its less buggy than xbmc on the atv2.

I know it will never replace anyone's main HTPC, but to throw one in the bedroom for $35 is hard to beat. At least if it works well.
post #2156 of 3139
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Originally Posted by Joeforsale View Post

I know it will never replace anyone's main HTPC, but to throw one in the bedroom for $35 is hard to beat. At least if it works well.

I need to try my jailbroken ATV2 again now that I have a new Intel NIC in my server. Before it was buggy at times.

I would temper expectations until we hear otherwise.
post #2157 of 3139
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Originally Posted by JamesVG81 View Post

Love I can change the subtiltes from the menu on MKV's.

+1

This was my #1 reason for moving away from 7MC (which was otherwise great). I like to practice foreign languages and I rip all language and subtitle tracks for my MKVs. Dealing with multiple audio tracks and subtitle tracks via the XBMC OSD is so very nice.

If you are into subtitles, check out the "XBMC Subtitles" Add-on.
post #2158 of 3139
Hi,

I love the XBMC TV Show UI. But for bluray TV set, how to enable scraper to assign the episode correctly to those m2ts file under BDMV folder?

Do I have to cut&copy those individual m2ts file and rename according to XBMC rules? But this would break the bluray disc structure...
post #2159 of 3139
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Originally Posted by assassin View Post


I need to try my jailbroken ATV2 again now that I have a new Intel NIC in my server. Before it was buggy at times.

I would temper expectations until we hear otherwise.

Some of XBMC Eden has always worked well on my ATV2. It's various Addons that have had issues, and also the scrolling has never been fixed. It goes one line at a time or one page. Not smooth. On the other hand Plex for me on the ATV2 has worked great. The problems I have had with XBMC have been related to running out of memory and it filling up some cache directories. Both Plex and MediaPlayer (from Firecore) have worked fine. Perhaps if I only installed XBMC on it then it would be more stable. Oddly, the order of installing Plex and XBMC seems to matter which is strange.

Philip
post #2160 of 3139
I'd really appreciate some guidance on how to solve a problem. When playing DVD rips, video sporadically jumps or skips, like it's skipping frames. I can't seem to fix it. I haven't noticed any problems with Blu-ray rips or with video from my TiVo. I've reinstalled all software and replaced the video card in an attempt to reduce the variables.

HTPC Hardware:
* Core i3 530 2.93 GHz LGA1156
* Gigabyte GeForce GTX 550 Ti 1GB GDDR5 (GV-N550WF2-1GI)
* GIGABYTE GA-H55M-UD2H motherboard
* 4 GB RAM (Kingston DDR3 1333 Mhz)
* Intel 80 GB X25M Mainstream SSDSA2MH080G2R5
* LG UH10LS20 10x Blu-Ray
* Nexus Value 430 PSU
* Silverstone GD04B
* 3 x S-Flex 800 RPM 120 mm fans
* AVS Gear GP-IR01BK Windows Vista Infrared MCE Black Remote Control

Display:
* Sony STR-DH810 (HDMI to Nvidia and TV)
* Sony XBR65HX929 (all video processing off, except LED control)

Software:
* Windows 7 Professional 32-bit
** All important and all optional stability updates
** AHCI SATA driver from Windows Update
** Intel IMEI from Windows Update
** No other drivers from Windows Update
* Nvidia 296.10
* XBMC 11.0 + HD
* Intel INF 9.1.2.1007 (probably not be necessary)
* Realtek ATI HDMI High Definition Audio Codec Driver R2.49 (unnecessary)
* Intel Graphics Driver 15.17.7.2141 / 8.15.10.2141 (unnecessary)

XBMC Settings:
* Render method: DXVA
* Deinterlace: On
* Deinterlace method: DXVA best

Windows Settings:
* Display: 1080p59

BIOS Settings:
* Onboard VGA: Enable If No Ext PEG

There are obviously other software, driver, and BIOS settings, but I don't think I missed any that might be relevant. The list of manually installed software and drivers is complete.

Playback problems occur whether video is on a local eSATA drive or on a Windows 7 Professional share over 1 Gb Ethernet. Video files are ripped to MKV using MakeMKV.
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