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post #2731 of 2944
I've played around with NPVR as a backend to XBMC, but just seems like too many problems. Currently I have advanced launcher program addon that starts WMC in recording / live tv / or EPG mode. Partly due also because I am on ATSC OTA and WMC is the only EPG source without subscription I have access to.

scott s.
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post #2732 of 2944
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Originally Posted by jdastas View Post

I have the same problem, did you figure out a fix for it?

I haven't figured out anything yet. Nothing I've tried worked. I have other machines that are running XBMC without issues so I don't know how much time I will put into finding a solution. I am thinking about having XBMC use another player on that machine.
post #2733 of 2944
having a problem with mkv files and playback
ASUS P8H77-M/CSM LGA 1155 Intel H77 HDMI
Intel Core i3-3225
I am using the audio and video built on the board.
I followed about turn off everything Realtek and I disabled all of it in device mgr

I ripped some tv episode disk and they play back fine, but mkv movie rips with or without anydvd HD run at about 1/10 speed and of course no sound.
All of my bd files are either full blu rips or mkv files with makeMKV
they play fine on my dedicated player but not on this computer with xbmc.

is there a post about this I can't find anything about mkv playing sooooo slow
Edited by etrin - 1/12/13 at 6:22pm
post #2734 of 2944
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Originally Posted by etrin View Post

having a problem with mkv files and playback
ASUS P8H77-M/CSM LGA 1155 Intel H77 HDMI
Intel Core i3-3225
I am using the audio and video built on the board.
I followed about turn off everything Realtek and I disabled all of it in device mgr

I ripped some tv episode disk and they play back fine, but mkv movie rips with or without anydvd HD run at about 1/10 speed and of course no sound.
All of my bd files are either full blu rips or mkv files with makeMKV
they play fine on my dedicated player but not on this computer with xbmc.

is there a post about this I can't find anything about mkv playing sooooo slow

Have another look on the xbmc forums - partricularly the sticky on the Windows forums about 'How to trouble shoot Audio' the wrong audio settings can cause playback issues.

One other thing if you've already ripped the files to your hard drive there's no need to have anydvd running.
post #2735 of 2944
sorry I said it that way.
I was using makemkv and anydvd to rip the files, I wasn't sure if that made a difference.
When I first installed xbmc I didn't have sound but I said most of it was from the slow video.
I then read the form post and it said turn off realtek drivers in audio and video and I did that.
After this I rebooted and xbmc would play my big bang theory rips perfectly and audio was there.
I again tried the mkv movie rips and it was playing about 1/10 speed.

ok I had disabled the Realtek drivers. MY BAD
I went in and uninstalled the Realtek Video Drivers, rebooted and now it works fine.
Thanks for pointing that out.
Edited by etrin - 1/13/13 at 7:56am
post #2736 of 2944
No need to apologise - happy its working for you.
post #2737 of 2944
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Originally Posted by dmarqueset View Post

I haven't figured out anything yet. Nothing I've tried worked. I have other machines that are running XBMC without issues so I don't know how much time I will put into finding a solution. I am thinking about having XBMC use another player on that machine.

You mentioned other players don't present the same issue, so it would seem easiest to just use MPC-HC. Did you try toggling the "use fullscreen window instead of true fullscreen" option? Were the auto-refresh adjustments or sync playback to display options selected?
post #2738 of 2944
On another note, I loaded frodo onto my Nexus 7 last night. Pretty cool, I just added my Video/Music libraries through UPNP shares so they are just a simple list. I didn't try playback of anything beyond the screen resolution, but SD played back just fine. I don't think they've made any attempt to enable viewing a 1080p file on a 1280x800 screen (nor would it be worth the effort with 1080+ screen resolutions becoming available for tablets)

Doesn't take very long to install, but I've not modified the skin yet. Supposedly a decent touch skin named "touch" is available

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1813089
post #2739 of 2944
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Originally Posted by Dark_Slayer View Post

You mentioned other players don't present the same issue, so it would seem easiest to just use MPC-HC. Did you try toggling the "use fullscreen window instead of true fullscreen" option? Were the auto-refresh adjustments or sync playback to display options selected?

I haven't tried the "use fullscreen window instead of true fullscreen" option. The other things you listed I've tried. I will try that and see what happens.
post #2740 of 2944
Update on Nexus 7 running Frodo

Today, I played a few more SD videos and tv shows.
It handles everything I've tried so far
  • MPEG2 video (mostly DVD rips)
  • w/ Dolby
  • w/ DTS
  • w/ MP3

I've also played a few HD shows
  • MPEG2 - 720p w/ AC3 or mp3
  • H264 - 720p w/ DD and DTS
  • MPEG2 - 1080i w/ DD (These would playback audio smoothly, but video wouldn't sync)

The 1080i shows were Big Bang Theory recordings from my HDHR Prime, and I think they could be played back better if I toggle some of the A/V sync options

I tried two full bluray rips. 310 to Yuma with DTS-HD and 10000 BC with DD TrueHD. Neither resulted in smooth video or audio. Eventually the audio would smooth out for a 10-20 seconds after 1-2 minutes of stuttering playback, but the video wouldn't match up at those portions

I went into all of this half-cocked and have since found that the current android port is rendering all video via software decode

Hardware decoding support is supposedly coming, but I'd venture to guess that it will only be seen in a few GPUs. I really don't follow which ARM GPUs have open-source drivers, but I don't believe any exist yet for Tegra or PowerVR. I think there are opensource Mali drivers
Edited by Dark_Slayer - 1/18/13 at 4:14pm
post #2741 of 2944
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Originally Posted by snowboarder33 View Post

I'm running into audio/video sync problems. It seems to occur when my panel adjusts to 24Hz. Otherwise, when I just play all content at 60Hz (without any panel adjustment) there doesn't seem to be any sync problems. Anyone know of any fixes to this irritating issue?

This has been a problem with XBMC forever. The fix is to set the audio delay to -175 (Going by memory here but it is something like that). There are tons of threads on this issue and the dev's have turned a blind eye to it.
post #2742 of 2944
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Originally Posted by almostinsane View Post

This has been a problem with XBMC forever. The fix is to set the audio delay to -175 (Going by memory here but it is something like that). There are tons of threads on this issue and the dev's have turned a blind eye to it.

If your going to be controversial at least be accurate:.

The devs have repeatedly stated that they have been unable to reproduce the issue, therefore, as far as they are concerned there is nothing to fix.

There is no doubting some users (myself included have a problem- but this could be due to any number of things - including individual components). This is something that is prevalent for me across all media players (Media Portal, xbmc, JRiver, mpc-hc, with all combinations of LAV, ffdshow, haali, gabest filter etc), only on 24fps playback.

And there is no 'one-size-fits all, global' delay, for example mine is closer to -125 ms.
post #2743 of 2944
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Originally Posted by snowboarder33 View Post

I'm running into audio/video sync problems. It seems to occur when my panel adjusts to 24Hz. Otherwise, when I just play all content at 60Hz (without any panel adjustment) there doesn't seem to be any sync problems. Anyone know of any fixes to this irritating issue?

Didn't read this previously

I had this problem while using the default "Use fullscreen Window" setting

I toggled this off and left the delay at 0. Everything seemed to work fine in the true fullscreen mode

My wife like's to watch movies with the motion-flow adjustments (whatever the appropriate frame interpolation effects are called) so I stopped adjusting the refresh rate anyway
post #2744 of 2944
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Originally Posted by Dark_Slayer View Post

Didn't read this previously

I had this problem while using the default "Use fullscreen Window" setting

I toggled this off and left the delay at 0. Everything seemed to work fine in the true fullscreen mode

My wife like's to watch movies with the motion-flow adjustments (whatever the appropriate frame interpolation effects are called) so I stopped adjusting the refresh rate anyway

@Dark

Yeah its all over the place for users on this one - some see benefit from your solution, others don't. For some switching off Aero fixes the problem. For me its vsync - switch it off (audio syncs perfectly), but it introduces other artifacts I can't live with mainly 'tearing'. It isn't just xbmc that I see this with, so would be wrong (in my set-up) to point the finger solely at xbmc. There's obviously other factors at work here, but at the moment the ability to add delays is thankfully sufficient to resolve the issue. Once set I forget its there, until one of these damned posts re-appears and reminds me smile.gif
post #2745 of 2944
To follow up on my previous XBMC on Nexus 7 post . . .

I didn't realize the developer options are easter-egged into the Nexus 7, but I turned them on and tried a couple of the options
  • Diable HW overlays (Always use GPU for screen compositing)
  • Force GPU rendering
  • Enable something I can't recall related to OpenGL

None of them (by themselves or permeatations of 2 or all three) allowed the previously mentioned blu ray rips to playback smoothly

Thought it was worth a shot, but figured it wouldn't be that simple. Guess we still get to play the waiting game
post #2746 of 2944
Thread Starter 
XBMC 12 is out, so it`s time for a nice Ctrl + A + Delete of the old guide, and starting fresh with a new one, including changing the Media Manager to MediaElch instead of MCM and guides on how to synchronize multiple XBMC installs using MySQL or the new UPnP features (not sure which one works best now) , using the advanced filtering/video nodes to create custom movie collections (like Kid Movies etc.) and more

Oh yeah, and i`m back from the dead smile.gif
post #2747 of 2944
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Dark_Slayer View Post

To follow up on my previous XBMC on Nexus 7 post . . .

I didn't realize the developer options are easter-egged into the Nexus 7, but I turned them on and tried a couple of the options
  • Diable HW overlays (Always use GPU for screen compositing)
  • Force GPU rendering
  • Enable something I can't recall related to OpenGL

None of them (by themselves or permeatations of 2 or all three) allowed the previously mentioned blu ray rips to playback smoothly

Thought it was worth a shot, but figured it wouldn't be that simple. Guess we still get to play the waiting game

Without hardware decoding even the quad core ARM in your Nexus is too weak for serious H.264 high-bitrate decoding (or VC-1) at 1080p smile.gif. And as far as i know it`s not about drivers, but about APIs to interface with those drivers.
post #2748 of 2944
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Originally Posted by GreenEyez View Post

Without hardware decoding even the quad core ARM in your Nexus is too weak for serious H.264 high-bitrate decoding (or VC-1) at 1080p smile.gif. And as far as i know it`s not about drivers, but about APIs to interface with those drivers.

Yes, I confirmed that in a manner similar to a child touching a hot pan to find out it's hot smile.gif I just had to try, can't wait for H/W decode.
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Originally Posted by GreenEyez View Post

XBMC 12 is out, so it`s time for a nice Ctrl + A + Delete of the old guide, and starting fresh with a new one, including changing the Media Manager to MediaElch instead of MCM and guides on how to synchronize multiple XBMC installs using MySQL or the new UPnP features (not sure which one works best now) , using the advanced filtering/video nodes to create custom movie collections (like Kid Movies etc.) and more

Oh yeah, and i`m back from the dead smile.gif

Good to see you back from the dead, maybe consider tying in some OpenELEC notes? I am working on a few instabilities with mine (can't stay powered off, haven't used mysql or flirc Both are supposed to be possible) but it's otherwise a nice way to run xbmc.

Why the depart from MCM? It's "XBMC Notification" system is functional with Frodo, and it kicks off a library update after it grabs new metadata. I'll have to go look at MediaElch now frown.gif
post #2749 of 2944
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Dark_Slayer View Post

Yes, I confirmed that in a manner similar to a child touching a hot pan to find out it's hot smile.gif I just had to try, can't wait for H/W decode.
Good to see you back from the dead, maybe consider tying in some OpenELEC notes? I am working on a few instabilities with mine (can't stay powered off, haven't used mysql or flirc Both are supposed to be possible) but it's otherwise a nice way to run xbmc.

Why the depart from MCM? It's "XBMC Notification" system is functional with Frodo, and it kicks off a library update after it grabs new metadata. I'll have to go look at MediaElch now frown.gif


Well, they are working with something called "libstagefright" , a universal API which should allow hardware decoding on all hardware platforms under Android. Can`t send you the link because the XBMC forum is down, i`ll try again tomorrow when half of the HTPC world has stopped hammering their servers to download Frodo, lol. They have some experimental build . You can google "libstagefright" and the 4th link is a link to that thread on the XBMC forum if you manage to get on the site.

As far as MCM is concerned, i prefer MediaElch due to it`s simpler interface (and nicer). It lacks the auto-scanning feature of MCM, but i`ve talked to Komet, the developer, and since it`s an open source project, he said i can fork it and implement/code it. And that`s what i want to do, since i`m studying software development/ Computer Science at college (that`s why i`ve been dead for the last months around here). But i`ll try that at best next month, since i`m still in an exam session right now smile.gif. A notification system exists in MediaElch , but you have to do it manually, clicking the sync button. I`ll attempt to also code an automatic sync option, when i get to working on MElch.

As far as OpenELEC, what do you mean it doesn`t stay powered off ? Are you talking about sleep mode, or actually powered/turned off ? What hardware are you using ?

Yeah, i also like OpenELEC, i`ll see what i can write about it, but my wireless usb dongle (my streaming source since the dog chewed on my wired network cable and i`m to lazy to put another one) doesn`t work to well with it, so i`m still on Windows 7, might upgrade to 8 since i get it for free from college smile.gif
post #2750 of 2944
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Originally Posted by GreenEyez View Post

As far as OpenELEC, what do you mean it doesn`t stay powered off ? Are you talking about sleep mode, or actually powered/turned off ? What hardware are you using ?

It's probably one of the more prevalent bugs in their forum

For me, Suspend works just fine biggrin.gif not the case for everyone according to forum posts. However, Shutdown will completely shut the system down only to have it boot right back up. (Reboot does the same) Essentially reboot/shutdown are acting the same way, suspend works fine, and the only way for me to completely power off is to press (and hold) the physical front power button on the case. Running from USB stick to stream across home network, no SSD/HDD installed

Intel x86_64 2.99.2 (OE 3.0 RC2)
post #2751 of 2944
GreenEyez,

Glad to see you back... I know you have been pretty busy with school.

Have you played at all with Android with XBMC yet?

I just put in a purchase for a PIVOS XIOS DS. Not sure if I am going to keep Android on it, or throw Linux on it and run XBMC that way. I have been asking questions over on XBMC and it sounds like it should stream my 1:1 BluRay rips. I am just hoping it doesn't end up like the ATV 2 for me. It wasn't able to stream anything, because it could at best do 720p.

It will be good to see your around more often...
post #2752 of 2944
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Dark_Slayer View Post

It's probably one of the more prevalent bugs in their forum

For me, Suspend works just fine biggrin.gif not the case for everyone according to forum posts. However, Shutdown will completely shut the system down only to have it boot right back up. (Reboot does the same) Essentially reboot/shutdown are acting the same way, suspend works fine, and the only way for me to completely power off is to press (and hold) the physical front power button on the case. Running from USB stick to stream across home network, no SSD/HDD installed

Intel x86_64 2.99.2 (OE 3.0 RC2)

Hmm, i`ll try the Intel builds (need to remove my GT610 from my HTPC and find a spare USB thumb drive) this weekend and see if it acts weird, it`s probably a coding error, the OS once shut down can`t start an x86 machine by itself as far as i know, OpenELEC is probably generating a reset/reboot command instead of a shut-down one. But if it`s well known that means the devs are aware of it and will probaby fix it. In any case i`ll let you know if i encounter it and if any version after RC2 fixes it.
post #2753 of 2944
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by rsmclay View Post

GreenEyez,

Glad to see you back... I know you have been pretty busy with school.

Have you played at all with Android with XBMC yet?

I just put in a purchase for a PIVOS XIOS DS. Not sure if I am going to keep Android on it, or throw Linux on it and run XBMC that way. I have been asking questions over on XBMC and it sounds like it should stream my 1:1 BluRay rips. I am just hoping it doesn't end up like the ATV 2 for me. It wasn't able to stream anything, because it could at best do 720p.

It will be good to see your around more often...

Yeah we talked on the PM system (still need to reply to your last PM smile.gif ). I only tried it when it first came out, but it was buggy as hell and hardware decoding for the Mali 400 GPU (what i have in my tablet, the only Android device with a an HDMI output in my house at the moment) was not supported at that time. I`ll try again this weekend along with OpenELEC for Dark_Slayer . Yeah, i`ll be around the forums a lot more often now, only this semester was a pain smile.gif. The next one is easier (so said my friends from the bigger years).

But as far as i know about the Pivos XIOS is this :

XBMC on Linux on the Pivos is faster than on Android, or at least it was, Davilla (the main Android dev) said a week ago that he submitted some patches that should make performance equal on both platforms, so that could have changed.

XBMC on Android does not support 24p, but i`m not sure, this is old info i have regarding this.

XBMC on Android does not support DTS-HD/TrueHD bitstreaming , will be fixed by Davilla (it`s only a couple of lines of code away, quoting him).

That`s all i know at the moment, if you can wait until Friday i`ll give you more info when i test it. As far as the ATV2 is concerned, at first XBMC on the ATV2 was buggy as hell, but it got better, i think it should work ok now if you still have the box. It can decode 1080p vids, but it will output them at 720p . I have a friend who has an ATV2 and he can stream 1080p vids with it now over the wired network (not on wireless, the wireless adaptor in the ATV2 is too weak, forget about going wireless with 1:1 rips and the ATV2 ), in the last couple of months with the latest XBMC builds.
post #2754 of 2944
Thread Starter 
Ok, so i just tested on my tablet. No hardware decoding for the Allwinner A10 chipsets (Mali 400 GPU + A8 Cortex @ 1.2 Ghz), so any HD content is choppy/un-watchable. I need to get a mini-HDMI to HDMI adapter to actually connect it to the receiver, in the audio settings there are options for TrueHD / DTS-HD but until i get a cable i can`t test out anything.

Performance is decent for a single-core Cortex A8 with the default skin, some lag in the menus, since the Pivos XIOS DS is an Cortex A9 it should be better, but don`t expect to run heavy skins like Aeon Nox, Aeon MQ, Xperience 1080p etc. without lag. It`s not a quad-core Exynos chip in any case, and certainly no Intel i3 smile.gif.

PS: Hardware decoding works on the XIOS because it has a dedicated video decoding chip besides the MALI 400 GPU, which takes care of the decoding, so you don`t need to worry about that with your XIOS.
Edited by GreenEyez - 1/29/13 at 4:12pm
post #2755 of 2944
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Originally Posted by GreenEyez View Post

But as far as i know about the Pivos XIOS is this :

XBMC on Linux on the Pivos is faster than on Android, or at least it was, Davilla (the main Android dev) said a week ago that he submitted some patches that should make performance equal on both platforms, so that could have changed.

XBMC on Android does not support 24p, but i`m not sure, this is old info i have regarding this.

XBMC on Android does not support DTS-HD/TrueHD bitstreaming , will be fixed by Davilla (it`s only a couple of lines of code away, quoting him).

That`s all i know at the moment, if you can wait until Friday i`ll give you more info when i test it. As far as the ATV2 is concerned, at first XBMC on the ATV2 was buggy as hell, but it got better, i think it should work ok now if you still have the box. It can decode 1080p vids, but it will output them at 720p . I have a friend who has an ATV2 and he can stream 1080p vids with it now over the wired network (not on wireless, the wireless adaptor in the ATV2 is too weak, forget about going wireless with 1:1 rips and the ATV2 ), in the last couple of months with the latest XBMC builds.

That's good to know about the ATV2. It was buggy as can be, and was driving me crazy, so I gave up on it. It is sitting in my closet, so maybe I'll pull it out again and just have it for a bedroom player.

For the XIOS, it will be a BR set so don't need a super heavy skin, per se. I just want it to stream, via CAT5E, my rips. If I can't run Aeon MQ4, that's ok, I'll live... Although I will miss it.
post #2756 of 2944
I've done some very limitted testing with frodo on Android 4.1.1 with a Rikomagic MK802IIIS.
The non hardware accelerated versions of frodo had very bad A/V sync issues but using a libstagefright version, playback was almost acceptable. Playing the same files on the builtin player was perfect.
Edited by Shark007 - 1/29/13 at 4:36pm
post #2757 of 2944
Frodo (stable) is available!
post #2758 of 2944
I just want to chime in an say about a month ago I made the switch from Win7MC to XBMC. I have been using the RC's of Frodo (which all worked great!)

I finally ditched my 3rd party IR receiver and got an 'official' Windows one to use with my Harmony remote. I followed the Harmony remote guide on the XBMC forum and WOW what a difference. The computer is finally extremely responsive to my remote commands like any other device with the Harmony and I have control of any function I would want within the program. Sleep works as it should on the computer (although it has a tendency to wake itself up...)

I didn't really like the default skin with its lack of customization so I downloaded Aeon Nox and was able to get everything organized the way I want.
Music: browse by folder (file) structure
Movies: library view
TV shows: library view
Videos: file structure with sub tabs on the main menu for - documentaries, music videos, concerts, standup comedy, non-fiction and nature

That and a little bit of tweaking in Media Center Master and all my meta data shows up. All my videos and music play great, the overall experience is much better than Win7MC, and I can tweak to my hearts content. Very happy with the switch.
post #2759 of 2944
I find navigating XMBC a little clunky. It's not as straight-forward as MC with MediaBrowser.
post #2760 of 2944
Something I've not gotten around yet, but would like to know if there is a way . . . Initiate a manual library update without the Videos - Files - subsection. I like to hide Videos and just leave Movies and TV Shows on the main screen. Once a new file hits MCMs scan, it'll kick off a library update, but sometimes I'm too impatient smile.gif Then I have to navigate back to settings, appearance, skin, home window, unhide video, go back to home screen, videos, files, update library. It feels like I'm missing something obvious, but I don't think the context menu within Movies or TV Shows has a "Update Library" option. Nor does the library section of Settings, it only has the clean library and startup options
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