Originally Posted by G-Rex
You are rambling now with incoherent nonsense. It was a full blown blind test.
No it wasn't. It can't even determine whether there was any difference.
To do that, you need to have a random assortment of unknown stimuli, that you are able to match correctly to known stimuli, or to be able to identify a pattern of difference conclusively and repeatedly with the unknown stimulus pattern.
Your test did not do that at all, and provided NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that ANY of the listeners could actually distinguish between the various unknown stimuli that were presented to them.
Do you not understand how that works? Are you really that bereft?
Again, all you do is resort to ad-hominem attacks, and distractions.
I've asked you repeatedly for sources, evidence, tests, ANYTHING and you have provided absolutely nothing. The ONLY thing you have even remotely provided is a quote describing a test you did that doesn't even provide ANY evidence for what you purport that it does.
And now you have invented a new and adorable excuse to slink off after having provided ZERO information to back your claims.
As far as whether I really think that you're going to waste "an hour!" on your test, YES I absolutely do expect that. I don't think any scientists sit around going: gee, I really want to know if this effect is real or not, but gosh, it's just SO HARD, I'd have to spend a WHOLE HOUR of effort on it!
Objective testing takes time and effort to do properly. The blind speaker cabling test that I helped administer and took part in took a group of people, some thought put into the test design including pre-test measurements, some additional hardware (blindfold, ear muffs), several hours of actual listening, and several hours worth of writing and reflection and further discussion on AVS. And the primary test subject literally had tens of thousands of dollars worth of his own hard-spent money on the line (not counting the hundreds of thousands spent on the system itself).
You designed a test which utterly failed at even being CAPABLE of determining whether a difference was present, and you can't even be bothered to spend any time actually LEARNING about how to do a basic scientific experiment, let alone writing it up online.
Yet you have no problem coming into the forum and starting an inane and completely unsubstantiated argument, and spending an inordinate amount of time calling me names.
Why don't you stop dicking around, and actually do a test? Put up or shut up.
This is square one of basic science: TEST the hypothesis. You have a radical, unprecedented, and unsustainable hypothesis that flies in the face of ALL modern understanding of fiber optics and digital signaling. If you wish to defend this claim, you need to gather legitimate evidence and test actual listeners and take actual measurements to bolster this claim.Otherwise
integrity and rudimentary intellectual honest requires that you admit that you:
1) Have zero secondary references as evidence for your claim
2) Have zero measurement data for your claim
3) Have zero controlled, blinded listening test data for your claim
4) Have no plausible explanation at all that you can come up with to explain your claim
5) Have no idea at all what you're talking about
If you were actually employed in the field of science, or doing actual research, you would be an abject embarrassment to the profession. It is absolutely disgraceful. I even asked you to INVENT your own reasons. You can't even LIE well, you can't even come up with feasible FALSIFIED research data to help you out. And you can't even figure out how to do that, because you don't even understand how to begin going about testing Toslink cable audibility.
Staggering. Truly Staggering.