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post #31 of 523
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Originally Posted by subtle blues View Post

Model: LN40C610 (AA03 on box)
Type: 40L1AF0C (adheres to the logic here that its an AUO panel)

I had read somewhere else that someone thought AA03 was still made by Samsung, but its hard to distill the accurate information.

Nice info, thanks.

How does your "A" panel set look on off-angle viewing?

After looking more and more at LED sets in the store I am noticing that the great majority have washout during off-angle viewing (even non-Samsung sets). I will say out of all the LED sets, LG had about as close to Plasma like off-angle viewing out of all the sets. I just think this is probably something inherent of LED technology.
post #32 of 523
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I found this interesting, I will be cross posting a bit here.

Post #1
I purchased a Samsung UN40C6400 at Sams on Sunday. The display model had the SQ01 on the back panel so I assumed the rest of the boxed models had the same panel type. When I unboxed mine I found no sticker like the one on display and the only thing on the sticker on the back is UN40C6400RFXZA and Ver. H305. Mine doesn't look as sharp as the display model and has some minor flashlighting in Dynamic mode. HD looks ok but the regular broadcasts look as bad as my older Philips panel. Seems like Samsung has put an end to people looking at the stickers to see which panel they have. Is there any way to determine what an H305 panel is or some way to go in the service menu to find out? If it's not a Samsung panel it will be going back to Sams. Mine was manufactured in October 2010 so I was hoping it was built with one of the newer Samsung panels.

Post #2
I was finally able to access the service menu on my 6400. I had to use Mute-1-8-2-Power. The other code Info-Menu-Mute-Power didn't work. From the service menu Type shows 40A1UF0E. From some of the other posts it looks like I have a first gen SQ01 Panel. I watched The Green Zone on blu-ray last night and I must say the dark scenes showed quite a bit of flashlighting in the corners when set to dynamic mode. I'm still on the fence about whether to keep this tv or not; but at least I'm fairly certain it has a Samsung panel. Kind of surprised to have an older panel given that it was manufactured in October 2010. Maybe that's why Sams can price them so cheap.


More "H" panel version data showing that SM shows Samsung panel types.

Model: UN40C6400
Type: 40A1UF0E
Panel: H305
post #33 of 523
Yes. I noticed that also. I may be wrong but I suspect the problem is with 55" units.
If the newer lower size 6300/6400 and others correctly identify CMO and AUO panels then the H3xx versions would be Samsung panels.
post #34 of 523
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Originally Posted by benjamin2 View Post
Yes. I noticed that also. I may be wrong but I suspect the problem is with 55" units.
If the newer lower size 6300/6400 and others correctly identify CMO and AUO panels then the H3xx versions would be Samsung panels.
Hopefully the H3 panels are Samsung panels. From what our data shows so far, even the CN01 version panel that Ken has shows a Samsung panel in the SM.
post #35 of 523
so all of the ones that are CNOx are Chai Mei ? what do the numbers mean ? mine says Cno3 on the box, what is the 3 for?...when i get home ill check the service menu
post #36 of 523
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I am unsure what the 3 in the CN means, I am guessing it is some kind of identifier, but the C does stand for Chi Mei panel type. I would recommend going into the service menu to determine what your type is. If you could, post your findings as we are collecting data.

Here is some interesting info which refers to letters on the sticker, not what is in the service menu.

A = AU Optronics (AUO) A-MVA
B = Chi Lin Technology (CLT)
C = Chi Mei Optoelectronics (CMO)
I = LG Display IPS (LGD)
P = Chunghwa Picture Tubes (CPT)
S = Samsung S-PVA (S-LCD)
H = Samsung S-PVA (3D)
Q = IPS Alpha Technology LTD (Hitachi & Panasonic) IPS Alpha/IPS Pro


In the case of "H" in the newer 6000 series, we are suspecting that it is a Samsung panel as per the service menu, but without 3D. As I mentioned previously, I saw a 9 series with "HQ", which refers to Samsung.
post #37 of 523
I have a H306
46 6300 series
post #38 of 523
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Originally Posted by NOFX View Post

I have a H306
46 6300 series

If you could, check in the service menu which "Type" you have.

Here are simple instructions.

MUTE-1-8-2-POWER

Use caution, don't hit any other buttons, just check where it says "Type"
post #39 of 523
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Originally Posted by jnpr View Post

If you could, check in the service menu which "Type" you have.

Here are simple instructions.

MUTE-1-8-2-POWER

Use caution, don't hit any other buttons, just check where it says "Type"

hmmm the tv just turned off...
post #40 of 523
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Originally Posted by NOFX View Post

hmmm the tv just turned off...

Turn it back on using that method. Power being the last thing you press.
post #41 of 523
46a1uf0e
post #42 of 523
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Originally Posted by NOFX View Post

46a1uf0e

46A1UF0E

A = Samsung

As suspected, congrats, you have a Samsung panel. More data to back up the "H" panel versions people are posting lately.

What are your concerns about the set you have? I only ask because if you exchange it, you may not be getting something better.
post #43 of 523
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Originally Posted by jnpr View Post

46A1UF0E

A = Samsung

As suspected, congrats, you have a Samsung panel.

What are your concerns about the set you have? I only ask because if you exchange it, you may not be getting something better.

The Clouds on the left hand of the screen and corners...its really noticeable on dark scenes...but cant see it during bright scene or during the day
post #44 of 523
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The Clouds on the left hand of the screen and corners...

Can you post a pic?

How is your off-angle viewing?
post #45 of 523
post #46 of 523
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I have very small flashlighting in my corners, but your clouding issue is much worse. Have you tried turning the backlight setting down?
post #47 of 523
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Originally Posted by jnpr View Post

I have very small flashlighting in my corners, but your clouding issue is much worse. Have you tried turning the backlight setting down?

ill try it later tonight when it gets dark...
post #48 of 523

See my comment about this in the other thread..

Ken
post #49 of 523
From hristoslav2 on avforums.com who is very savvy about those things

"There are already several cases where in the service menu on the TV
shows a different type of matrix that appears on the sticker.
The reason for this difference is in the wrong entries in the
service menu in the production."



I have no idea how or when the service menu type is entered or
those stickers are attached to the back panels but I believe
hearrean's C panel was assembled early in the year and we are
still seeing a Samsung type in the service menus for the latest
C panels. This leads me to believe it isnt a mis-labeling problem
but is a "service menu type" error.

So far this discrepancy appears to be with C panels and 55" units
as we arent really certain which panel H3xx is associated with.
If it continues this way it probably means that all 55" units will
have 55A in the service menu.
post #50 of 523
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Originally Posted by benjamin2 View Post

From hristoslav2 on avforums.com who is very savvy about those things

"There are already several cases where in the service menu on the TV
shows a different type of matrix that appears on the sticker.
The reason for this difference is in the wrong entries in the
service menu in the production."



I have no idea how or when the service menu type is entered or
those stickers are attached to the back panels but I believe
hearrean's C panel was assembled early in the year and we are
still seeing a Samsung type in the service menus for the latest
C panels. This leads me to believe it isnt a mis-labeling problem
but is a "service menu type" error.

So far this discrepancy appears to be with C panels and 55" units
as we arent really certain which panel H3xx is associated with.
If it continues this way it probably means that all 55" units will
have 55A in the service menu.


Ben, that is interesting and disturbing at the same time. I wouldn't want to think Samsung is doing this on purpose, because if they are, then they would lose me as a customer. They would intentionally be going out of there way to "trick" or "mislead" people, this is exactly the kind of stuff that gets exposed and ruins companies. Also, it would be nice to include hristoslav2 in our discussions, I am wondering where exactly he obtained his claims from.

You are also correct on those "C" panel versions, from what we see the service menu type that points to a Samsung panel only appears to impact earlier models. The "H3xx" models appear to be consistent in showing up as Samsung panels in the service menu, which is good. At the same time though, I am hoping (only because I have an H3xx) that what I said earlier about Samsung misleading us isn't true.
post #51 of 523
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Originally Posted by jnpr View Post
Ben, that is interesting and disturbing at the same time. I wouldn't want to think Samsung is doing this on purpose, because if they are, then they would lose me as a customer. They would intentionally be going out of there way to "trick" or "mislead" people, this is exactly the kind of stuff that gets exposed and ruins companies.
Samsung is secretive at times and its often difficult to get a straight answer from their tech support but then again they may be no worse than other manufacturers. If it develops that all series and every model have this issue, then yes, it almost certainly would be intentional.

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Also, it would be nice to include hristoslav2 in our discussions, I am wondering where exactly he obtained his claims from.
hristoslav2 has tons of panel info on the avforums site, dont know what his sources are. He has no info on H3xx but Im sure he will post if/when he finds out.

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You are also correct on those "C" panel versions, from what we see the service menu type that points to a Samsung panel only appears to impact earlier models. The "H3xx" models appear to be consistent in showing up as Samsung panels in the service menu, which is good.
Unfortunately, if all the 55" units read 55A every panel will register as a Samsung. If this is only an issue with the 55"ers then the smaller sized units should reveal its true identity.
If the smaller units show C panels as Samsung panels,then its widespread.

Up to now I havnt noticed any reports from owners of smaller 6300/6400
units with A or C panels.
post #52 of 523
Is it possible that only Samsung has the capacity/ability to manufacture the larger panels (>50") or are there other known sources for these? I'm thinking it would take quite a bit of expertise to produce a perfect panel that size.
post #53 of 523
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Originally Posted by jnpr View Post

Nice info, thanks.

How does your "A" panel set look on off-angle viewing?

After looking more and more at LED sets in the store I am noticing that the great majority have washout during off-angle viewing (even non-Samsung sets). I will say out of all the LED sets, LG had about as close to Plasma like off-angle viewing out of all the sets. I just think this is probably something inherent of LED technology.


LG uses IPS panels in most of their hdtv's giving vastly superior side viewing angles compared to TN or SPVA panels.
post #54 of 523
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Originally Posted by samsvoc View Post

LG uses IPS panels in most of their hdtv's giving vastly superior side viewing angles compared to TN or SPVA panels.

From what I am reading they only use IPS panels in higher end models.
post #55 of 523
Exterior white sticker on the back of the tv says my panel is a cno3




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post #56 of 523
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Originally Posted by chris1184 View Post

Exterior white sticker on the back of the tv says my panel is a cno3

Interesting.
Its manufactured in October and it agrees with the service
menu type.
post #57 of 523
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I find it odd that Chris has a CN03, and his SM shows the correct panel type, but Ken has a CN02 which shows a Samsung panel type.

Chris also has 2010-09-15 in the SM like I do, but I have an H306 with a Samsung panel type in the SM.
post #58 of 523
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Originally Posted by jnpr View Post

I find it odd that Chris has a CN03, and his SM shows the correct panel type, but Ken has a CN02 which shows a Samsung panel type.

Chris also has 2010-09-15 in the SM like I do, but I have an H306 with a Samsung panel type in the SM.

Its difficult to say what that date actually means or if any
changes were made to the service menu type after
the date. The s/n on that CN03 indicates assembly
was completed in October.

My service menu shows a date of 2010-02-20 in the
same position yet the s/n and sticker on the TV say it was
manufactured March.
post #59 of 523
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Originally Posted by jnpr View Post

I find it odd that Chris has a CN03, and his SM shows the correct panel type, but Ken has a CN02 which shows a Samsung panel type.

In a perfect world errors would not happen. Perhaps in Kens case its an error in the menu type as I believe his off angle and other things that are supposedly common on SQ panels are not apparent on his panel.

The snippet below, url here and hristoslav2, say its not 100%.
The reviewers say these errors are rare and I believe
the H3xx has been showing as a Samsung panel in
every report so far so its very likely the H3xx panels
are S panels and not AA.

"That's why it's better to find out more by using the 'Service Menu', which the manufacturer advises against for safety reasons. For the time being, we've only found a few rare cases where the information onscreen contradicts the label on the outside."
post #60 of 523
Outside on the sticker:
Model Code: UN46C6500VFXZA
Version No: SQ01

Service Menu
Type: 46A1UF0E
2010-10-11
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