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post #31 of 108
So close yet so far

Season 2 ?
post #32 of 108
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Yes, for the 2nd series, hard to see how they'll stretch episodes for a full TV season. They've recovered about $20k worth of gold--~$10k in the last day--versus ~$275k of expenses. That glory-hole dig looks like it'll collapse and swallow the excavator shovel/operator. -- John
post #33 of 108
I just love the mis-placed optimism, like whistling in a dark alley with muggers closing in. They are all financially ruined, and yet the network green-lights another season; all I can say is those guys must be getting paid a ton of money to do it all over again next year. Because although the gold is obvioulsy there, the lack of collective brain-power between them will find a way to screw them over, just watch. And if they DO hit it big, get ready for a real-life Treasure of the Sierra Madre; they'll start arguing about who gets what, and someone will get hurt. Should be fun.
post #34 of 108
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Looks like, from last night's summing-up/out-take show, the gang's planning a move northward to the Klondike, not finishing the Porcupine Creek dig for the glory hole. The consultant to the site's owner said he wants to bring his own crew to finish Porcupine. That set the original planners scurrying to find another site, anticipating a 'deal' for needed cash. With gold over $1400/oz recently, there's a mining rush on and sites are scarce. Maybe they'll hire an expert for the Klondike dig. -- John

EDIT: A search engne spit out this article , with sublinked related pieces, about reality show contrivances.

EDIT2: One outtake edited out earlier: After the ex-realtor quit the camp in disgust, someone contrived an 'action shot' involving an attempt to burn his cabin, before grandpa Jack rolled in the big 400 excavator and crushed it.
post #35 of 108
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Lots of surprises with the season premiere last night. Couldn't imagine more bumbling than the first season (above) but they managed. They'd researched moving northward to start a new Klondike claim, bought costly new mining equipment, but forgot to finalize a must-have water-rights license. That squelched Klondike plans.

So it was back to the original Porcupine Creek site, a few days restoring their old equipment, draining water from their Glory Hole dig, and discovering promising gold from the bottom. That's when Fred, the experienced miner hired last season by the site owner as a monitor, arrives and announces he now has mining rights and will use his own crew. So they're off to the Klondike after all, seeking yet another site. Awaiting the next screwup... -- John
post #36 of 108
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Lots of surprises with the season premiere last night. Couldn't imagine more bumbling than the first season (above) but they managed. They'd researched moving northward to start a new Klondike claim, bought costly new mining equipment, but forgot to finalize a must-have water-rights license. That squelched Klondike plans.

So it was back to the original Porcupine Creek site, a few days restoring their old equipment, draining water from their Glory Hole dig, and discovering promising gold from the bottom. That's when Fred, the experienced miner hired last season by the site owner as a monitor, arrives and announces he now has mining rights and will use his own crew. So they're off to the Klondike after all, seeking yet another site. Awaiting the next screwup... -- John

you forgot to mention they missed a lease payment on porcupine creek which opened the door for it being voided
post #37 of 108
These guys are complete idiots (again). The only people dumber are the people funding their "operation".
post #38 of 108
I guess the show wouldn't hold much interest this year if all you saw was them digging the glory hole, pouring dirt in the shaker, and panning large amounts of gold out of the cleanouts every week - making a sizable dent in their deficits from last season.

So....send the misfits 600 miles further north, after they've missed a couple weeks of the shorter mining season, and see how much drama can be generated out of not having a claim, or equipment, or much cash.
post #39 of 108
Was it my imagination or not in the repeat this week that they edited out the scene out where Jack drove the 400 across the creek in a fit of rage?
post #40 of 108
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Like the plan to show activities for three digs, jumping back and forth. Helps maintain interest IMO. The kid managing his grandfather's site measured ~$800 worth, after a day's processing--and replacing his shaker power-supply regulator, per his grandfather's suggestion. Shots of gold nuggets remain a mystery. The kid's take was less than an ounce, yet they flashed pictures of a pan with its bottom covered with huge nuggets.

Glad the Klondike crew is happy with the completely untested site they settled on...undoubtedly they'll strike it rich. Had to chortle at Fred's glee while filling in Porcupine Creek's 60'-deep glory-hole dig, building a road to mine the site his way. And from the previews looks like they've manufactured more phony conflict at the Klondike dig next week, causing the grandfather to leave in a huff-- temporarily no doubt.
post #41 of 108
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Was it my imagination or not in the repeat this week that they edited out the scene out where Jack drove the 400 across the creek in a fit of rage?

Didn't see repeat, but perhaps they'll backtrack later if the 400 excavator is shown at the Klondike site. Trucking it northward wasn't shown. Believe there's more discussion at the Discovery forum on the show--plus a add-on video for this week's show with Fred and the younger Hoffman being questioned together by the producer. [EDIT: At least they previewed such a video, but couldn't locate it at the Discovery site.] -- John
post #42 of 108
Looks like Fred has a 270 Hitachi.

Was there two new episodes this week? I tuned in about 930 and watched what appeared to be all new footage, but my DVR only recorded the 10PM episode and the 9PM wasn't repeated. The part about moving the new wash plant to camp was in the 9PM episode and the 10PM episdoe showed the delivery of the D-8 dozer, which Jack just had to test out and waste fuel and create holes in the ground they needed flat, causing issue with Todd and Jack running away like a child for the second time this season. Seems he went his own way last year with the 400 digger. He is clearly undisciplined and not focused on the goal. His taking the cutting torch to the wash plant structure is looking like he is taking over the destructive non-helping role that the guy who left last year.

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The big nugget mine is producing good gold. The kid took his week's take over to show Fred off and show him up.

Dakota Fred at the Porcupine creek mine is gloating that he tore down the Hoffman's wash plant and they found a small amount of gold in the dirt left in the plant. Well gee, Fred kicked the Hoffman crew out just as they got it started. And he paid $80K for the few pieces of gear and the plant. Then he destroys the plant (cause he wants a bigger one). He's there with a couple of rookies. He's still waiting on gear, so he is actually further behind than the Hoffman's.

Hoffman's arrive at the new quartz creek claim, but things are going slow and apt to be slower. My guess is they go broke before finding any significant gold again, because they can't get their act together and have no idea within the virgin dirt area where the most gold may be. No Glory hole for Jack to fixate on. The previews for next week show that the D-8 is having trouble cutting through the permafrost, so they have no way to get to the gold bearing dirt.

post #43 of 108
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Looks like Fred has a 270 Hitachi.

Was there two new episodes this week? I tuned in about 930 and watched what appeared to be all new footage, but my DVR only recorded the 10PM episode and the 9PM wasn't repeated. The part about moving the new wash plant to camp was in the 9PM episode and the 10PM episdoe showed the delivery of the D-8 dozer, which Jack just had to test out and waste fuel and create holes in the ground they needed flat, causing issue with Todd and Jack running away like a child for the second time this season. Seems he went his own way last year with the 400 digger. He is clearly undisciplined and not focused on the goal. His taking the cutting torch to the wash plant structure is looking like he is taking over the destructive non-helping role that the guy who left last year.

Not positive about the episode sequence, but as I recall (11/11 ) they used a bulldozer to pull the wash plant from its dropoff point closer to the stream. The week before (11/4) it was hauled into the site. They're running new episodes preceded by the earlier one. Usually scan my cable guide descriptions looking for the "NEW" designation, then DVR it or watch 'live' if there's nothing better being cablecast.

This Friday's upcoming drama moment (from preview and your desciption) seems to be encountering thick Klondike permafrost with the bulldozer, perhaps blocking access to enough gold.

Remains an interesting series, excluding most of the reality-show antics, although they allocated about the right amount of time showing how the teenager had to bump up their percentage of the mining take to get his two workers to cooperate better. -- John
post #44 of 108
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This Friday's upcoming drama moment (from preview and your desciption) seems to be encountering thick Klondike permafrost with the bulldozer, perhaps blocking access to enough gold.

If they can't figure out how to get the D-8 to break the permafrost, they bought another pig in a poke. Remember the sales guy told them the bogies would keep the breaker in contact with the ground better than the D-9 that they wanted. Can you say 'used car (err... bulldozer) salesman'?
post #45 of 108
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Well, Friday's fun and games could have been anticipated. The Hoffman honcho at the Klondike Crystal Creek site claimed a gut feeling the flat land they bulldozed was untouched. Then an old timer arrives and shows how it had been excavated many years earlier. So they wasted about $5k for fuel and five days. Now it's back to digging through the permafrost on the sloped area, attempted unsuccessfully at the beginning of this episode. Seems most of the series foul-ups develop when the neophytes consult experts too late. -- John
post #46 of 108
I hope the Hoffmans are getting paid well by Discovery. That group has no business mining for gold - or running any business venture whatsoever.
post #47 of 108
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Interesting special last night (12/23) about how they're shooting this series. Remarkably, there are ~100 videographers, etc. between the 3 sites now, from various countries, probably with the UK lead team most prominent. Amazing how many cameras and operators swarm the miners for many scenes. Several shots of videographers nearly getting chomped by excavator buckets. Lots of monstrous camera cranes--for that environment--and crew members being immobilized in knee-deep mud.

Tough to precisely recall PQ differences, but some demonstrated chopper shots, using all-in-one pro camcorders, seemed to have softer images of distant trees and landscapes compared to the earlier '09 Alaska 'trek' series. There they used a gyro-stabilized chopper camera to a separate high-bandwidth Sony SRW-1 deck, as outlined here and the sublinked article.

Must be near the series end, with freezing problems previewed for next week. At the northern Crystal Creek site, the few ounces of gold finally extracted were reviewed, with the usual, ah, optimistic goal of 200 ounces before winter. -- John
post #48 of 108
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Anyone know the most common reason for this? Tried reviewing some clips about recent Gold Rush shows, but after brief ads appear there's only a black PC screen with brief periodic symbols. Googling suggests you need a separate software player--aside from the current Flash? Thanks for any tips. -- John

EDIT: Other video streaming, such as ESPN3, works okay.
post #49 of 108
I just watched the 'web exclusive' of Dakota Fred calling the Hoffmans to tell them they lost the bet. 18.9 oz in one week for Fred vs 14 oz for the Hoffman's entire season at Procupine Creek.
Worked seamlessly, I don't have any additional player besides Flash and WMP installed. Perhaps it was a temporary issue with the Discovery.com site.
post #50 of 108
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^^^Thanks. Read somewhere the Discovery streaming ads use Adobe Flash, then Windows Media Player (WMP) handles program video. If so, with newest Windows XP versions of Flash/WMP, still just getting a black PC screen after Discovery video ads run. WMP's 'syncing' dropdown menu doesn't seem to apply. -- John

EDIT: E-mailed Discovery about this 12/26; maybe they've heard about the problem.
EDIT2: Disocovery replied saying they're working on a general solution, outliing some standard supposed fixes.
post #51 of 108
My program guide for this week (tonight) says it's "NEW" but the info says it's another "behind the scenes" show....what's up with that? Or is the TWC guide messed up?
post #52 of 108
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^^^Noticed that, too. Discovery.com has a clip about tonight and the description mentions interviews and not-seen clips, different from how they shot Gold Rush last week. Seem to be stretching the season out for some reason. (Still only see clip ads--per the posts just above--while they're supposedly still crafting a solution.) -- John
post #53 of 108
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Another season coming to an end. The teenager's heading back to high school, seemingly with modest success finding gold. First season made his 91-year-old grandfather seem quite well off from mining. Then lately the teen was supposedly trying to save the whole mining operation. Overdone a bit, maybe.

The Todd operation to the North struggles to mine a target 100 ounces of gold. But from the preview it appears the coming freeze, restricting needed water flow, plus enough gold-rich soil, will beat them again. (Looks like Discovery will follow on with a barge-based Bering Sea gold mining show next week, with genuine nut-case, cage-wrestling-temperament miners, it appears from previews.)

And old-timer Fred and his limited crew at the original Oyster Creek site somehow failed a safety inspection, wasting time waiting for an official instructor. Not sure they'll locate enough gold either. -- John
post #54 of 108
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The Todd operation to the North struggles to mine a target 100 ounces of gold.

I was thinking about this last night, 100 oz of gold ! Wow!!. You see the clean outs and how excited everyone is for 10 oz. Claiming they need to support families with 3 kids, pay the mortgage, etc.... Wait a minute, let's do the math. 100 oz x $1700/oz = $170,000. The 'Mining Season' is 150 days, or 5 months. There are expenses for fuel, equipment, food. There is a fee paid back to the claim owner (~30% ?) based on the amount of gold found. $170,000-50k claim fee- 15k fuel- 25k equipment -20k food($20/man/day) = $60,000 There are six guys to split the money with = $10, 000/man over 5 months = $2k/month. Hope Discovery Channel is kicking in
post #55 of 108
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I was thinking about this last night, 100 oz of gold ! Wow!!. You see the clean outs and how excited everyone is for 10 oz. Claiming they need to support families with 3 kids, pay the mortgage, etc.... Wait a minute, let's do the math. 100 oz x $1700/oz = $170,000. The 'Mining Season' is 150 days, or 5 months. There are expenses for fuel, equipment, food. There is a fee paid back to the claim owner (~30% ?) based on the amount of gold found. $170,000-50k claim fee- 15k fuel- 25k equipment -20k food($20/man/day) = $60,000 There are six guys to split the money with = $10, 000/man over 5 months = $2k/month. Hope Discovery Channel is kicking in

While I never really did any math on it, I always thought while hearing the commentary about how they are going to make a profit if they get this much gold, always made me think something didn't sound right. They are suppose to already be in the hole major bucks, what about the money already spent?
post #56 of 108
Let's See the Hoffman mistake over and over again.

they had an expert come in and adjust their wash plant. After running dirt for three hours, they got 5 oz.

So, they get greedy and run 18 hours straight and flush most of the gold in the dirt into the wash pond. Yielding 9.8 oz expecting 30 or 40 oz.

Then this week, they run for FIVE or SIX straight days and get 10 oz.

I don't think it is rocket science that they should clean out the wash plant every five hours or so.

And now they are out of pay dirt.

Fools and their gold are soon parted.
post #57 of 108
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While I never really did any math on it, I always thought while hearing the commentary about how they are going to make a profit if they get this much gold

They never say "make a profit" they always state "cover expenses" - which is how I do the math - everything over and above that "cover expenses" part is then, as mentioned above, divided by 5 or 6 people. How that's making enough to support your family and all is beyond me.

Even the establish mine the kid was running doesn't "make money."
Interesting stuff.

PittCaleb
post #58 of 108
Regarding the Grandson and Granddad mine/work. Great life lessons for the Grandson and something that will stay for him a long time. He's blessed to have been able to work side by side with his Granddad.
post #59 of 108
Regarding the Hoffman claim.....one episode a few back stated something along the lines that if they found 100 ounces and made $150,000 (or so depending on price of gold at the time) it would cover expenses of $100,000 and put money in everyone's pocket.

Doing the math... let's say they make $170,000...there's 6 guys (I think)...$70,000 split 6 ways ($12K) is not really a healthy salary to be bringing home the bacon with. Yes, it's only approx. 160 days out of the year....so whatever they're doing the other 200 days better pay pretty well if they want to pay mortgages and such. The only guy not too bad off is Dave (?) - the guy that has the family construction business.
post #60 of 108
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so whatever they're doing the other 200 days better pay pretty well if they want to pay mortgages and such. The only guy not too bad off is Dave (?) - the guy that has the family construction business.

They make it appear these guys are broke, down on their luck, etc.

Someone in that group has some significant capital invested in this. My guess - all of them are fairly well off and maybe Dave also has a few hundred grand invested over and above. Otherwise, this just doesn't make economic sense.

Either that or it's all dad's grand plan to be a gold miner and he's fronting all the bills for everybody. The economics of this aren't entirely clear to me - even if they turn $50k profit, as we've shown, there is no "meat on the bones" to make it work for that large of a crew.

It's great TV, definitely. The question is are they each being paid $10k or $50k just as an appearance fee for the season? The Jersey Shore folks turn like $100k/episode. The rights fees alone probably cover what they need to live for the rest of the year. Gold money is bonus.

PittCaleb
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