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To you guys that are using the high power screens (2.4+ gain), do you have your projector mounted at or near the center point of the screen? I was considering getting one of the high power screens but then I thought I read if you ceiling mount the projector you lose 90% of the gain. Is there a high power screen this isn't the case for?
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you can get the Silver Star, but it's very expensive and has visible grain/sheen to the material. Im in the same situation. I don't think I can make an HP work for me at all, as I have to ceiling mount also.
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

I suggest you keep your Acer for 3D. Unless the JVC is literally 10x better then the Sony for 3D then you will be disapointed. I was pretty happy with the Sony for 3D and made a decision not to watch the Acer for a month so that I would have new movies to watch on the Sony when it came. A week later I decided to plug the Acer in again and WOW. The Acer blew my mind again at how much better it was then the Sony. I had that sinking feeling in my stomach like Oh **** I just spent 15x the price on something that is inferior to a little Acer.

Zombie, you asked what scenes showed ghosting in relation to the Sony vs. Acer. I realized pretty much every scene had some form of ghosting or another. Some minor, and some obvious. Anyway I was gonna sell the Sony and just stick to my Acer/epson combo because I was going to move in march and needed to save money, but now Im not moving until the fall so I got's some money I can still spend. I'm getting the RS50 now, and hopefully Im not gonna get slapped in the face twice! The dealer was like naw theirs no ghosting on the Sony, and I pointed out scene after scene to him and he was like "I'll call you latter today when I get info on the JVC". This is my last attempt at going 3D with a non DLP projector. If anything I will just use the JVC for 2D and continue my dual PJ setup.

When I told my dealer that my 500 Acer is better then the Sony, he gave me a look like he wanted to hurt me. I told him if he wants, next time I come over I'll bring it and show him how 3D is supposed to look. Maybe he can become an Acer dealer

The Acer seems like a little engine that could, but I think the pros of the RS50 will far outweight the minor cons, and I am pretty sure that if you're set up properly and there is not a weak or defective link in your 3D equation, you should hardly see any ghosting or flicker with the RS50, or even RS40. And this is not just me talking, everyone who already owns the RS40/50 with the exception of The Tonik has experience zero or very negligble amounts of ghosting and/or flicker, with the exception of DirecTV and OTA 3D HD programming like sports, and also some PS3 games which is to be expected, but 3D blurays look absolutly breathtaking! You will be pleasantly surprised.
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Are we to expect any reviews from Jason any time soon. I thought Jason said he was going to do a Rs50, but haven't heard anything since.

Not that I don't appreciate the work our fellow members have done, but it would be nice to have one from Jason and to compared to his other reviews.

Tony
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Originally Posted by kutlow View Post

I have a 2.40 aspect ratio screen. It is 55 x 132. What would I enter in the oppo?

Assuming you are zooming to fill your 2.40 screen, I would enter the 1.78 screen size that is 132" wide since the projector is throwing a 1.78 native image which I believe is 151" diag. For 1.78/85 material you would need to change this screen size setting I assume since you are using a much smaller 1.78 image at that point............this is how I am going to do it at least (if this is wrong, somebody let me know).
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Originally Posted by zbroke View Post

You guys are nuts! Just enjoy the projector and change the bulb when its time!

Amen to that brotha!
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Originally Posted by krichter1 View Post



I can only imagine watching that in 3D Todd, your senses already in overload, then have an actual spider on you! Yikes!!

Oh man, it startled me as I was all zoned into the 3d/movie.........pretty funny!
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Assuming you are zooming to fill your 2.40 screen, I would enter the 1.78 screen size that is 132" wide since the projector is throwing a 1.78 native image which I believe is 151" diag. For 1.78/85 material you would need to change this screen size setting I assume since you are using a much smaller 1.78 image at that point............this is how I am going to do it at least (if this is wrong, somebody let me know).

Exactly! Enter your pre-stretch diagonal size at 1.78:1 (aks 16:9). Neither projector nor the Opp 93 will ever do 2.40:1 natively, they always project in 16:9 while the external AR lens will horizontally expand to 2.37 or 2.40:1. So when entering actual diagonal size of a CIH scope screen, use the 1.78:1 ratio to measure diagonally.
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Originally Posted by dogone View Post

Yeah, if I don't keep the Sony VW90, I may go that route...if they come out with that converter box...I'll a least check out the acer... Wish I was filthy rich...I'd just keep the Sony and the JVC...


I hear you...........I need more $$$! This credit card is a dangerous thing since everytime I look at it, it says "can I please have a highpower for X-mas?"
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

Adam, this might be debatable because my Oppo93 and even the Denon 4311 can stretch SOME, but not all 3D scope movies. Have you been successful in every single 3D disc you played? You can still try to stretch 1.78:1/1.85:1 just to check if the v-stretching works. I was unable to stretch Avatar and Open Season in 3D, but I was able to stretch My Bloody Valentine 3D. So go figure...

I havent tried everything yet but I will try a couple of others soon. But everything that I did try worked.
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

I feel like this must be discussed in advance before everyone starts chiming in with their HP vs Low Gain screen impressions about brightness in 3D, just so there is no confusion about brightness expectations. We must put things into perspective, because we're already starting to see people complain about a possibly dim 3D image EVEN BEFORE they got their own RS40/50 which is so wrong because there has been a half dozen new RS40 owners raving about how good and adequately bright the 3D image is on their low/mid gain screens, while one HP 2.8 owner is saying it's just the right brightness.


The fair conclusions and abservations about 3D brightness should be as follows:
  1. If you are happy with the 2D brightness you are getting out of your current screen in 2D? Then chances are you will be just as happy when you fire up a 3D bluray using the 3D preset on the same type of screen, whether it's 2.8 or 1.x.
  2. If you already have an HP 2.8 or 2.4 screen, then what I see and describe on my 1.1 gain screen will ABSOLUTELY be dim for your likings. Why wouldn't it be? You've been staring at a high performance screen giving you almost TRIPLE the gain of your outgoing lumens, why would you want to downgrade to a 1.x gain screen?
  3. The same will apply for someone who who is more than content with their 1.1 gain screen because maybe it serves another purpose (i.e. Acoustic Transparency). If those people were to switch to an HP screen that will triple their rexisting 1.x gain, they will most definitly not be prepared for the brightness they are about to experience, and may or may not like it because they had been used to looking at a moderate gain screen for years. Personally, I've already taken down the aperture to -5 and sometimes even -8 on my 1.1 gain 9 to 11 ft wide screen, so do the math, if I were to use a an HP 2.8 screen, I would initially be uncomfortable with the brightness that I would probably close the aperture almost all the way down to -10 or even -15

I guess what I am trying to convey here is that it all comes down to PERSONAL preference and taste, and not whatever someone wants people to think is acceptable. That's also in addition to what your eyes had gotten used to the past few years which will ultimately set the level of brightness expectation in 3D, and even 2D. So HP owners will NOT notice a significant boost in 3D brightness, nor will the low gain 1.x owners after you activate the 3D glasses, but at the same time they should expect the same adequately acceptable level of brightness they have gotten used to experience on the same screen.


All good points Sam.

The thing that really attracts me to the highpower though is according to my calculations from Flyboys HP calculator and assuming I remount my PJ a bit lower which would be easy enough, I would literally just about double my brightness which means at 1/2 bulb life I will be getting the brightness I am getting right now which is a VERY exciting idea considering how much I love the image at the moment. I could choose to close down the iris with the HP to get the brightness closer to where it is right now on my 1.3 and then open it up as the bulb ages and even when it gets to 50% of its brightness the picture will be just as bright as what I am getting on a new bulb with the screen I have now..............that sounds absolutely fantastic to me!

Having said all that, if you are in a situation where you cant accomodate a HP or higher gain screen, why even worry about it? Just enjoy what you got as it is killer as is
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

Since you plan on having your Acer and RS40 in the same room, on the same screen, how about some side by side screen shots? That is, figure out a way to mask the projectors so that each shows half the image. That way, we can all see how they compare - contrast, color, resolution, detail - at least as much as a camera image of a projection screen can show. Maybe some full screen shots and some closer ones (I realize that the Acer is 720p and the JVC is 1080p). And it would be helpful if you could even out the brightness by setting the JVC iris to match the Acer's light output (if it even can). That would be especially interesting for me because you also have an HP.

BTW, I'm not thinking of canceling my RS40 order for an Acer, no matter what such shots might show. I'm getting really excited about the prospect of re-watching many of my favorite movies on the RS40, and there's no way I could live with the Acer for normal 2D viewing. I just think it would be an interesting exercise, especially given the bang for the buck value the Acer brings to the table.

Just a thought.

Joseph - in 2 days my family is traveling to see other relatives and I'll have the next 2 weeks to myself. I'll have plenty of time to do some side by side shots with the JVC and the Acer.

right now I am in a bit of a bind, since Petri's findings made their way in the final firmware. I cannot get my HTPC w/ the Nvidia card to sync to the RS40. The RS-40 thinks the display is 2880x1080p no matter what resolution I set the desktop to before I restart with the JVC connected. Both HDMI and DVI have the same issue. This really stinks, there must be a way around this. Maybe by editing the EDID info in the Nvidia driver, I have to hit the HTPC thread to see if anyone has ideas.

In regard to the brightness discussion that just got a bit heated up, I know we all have very different expectations of what we find comfortable for brightness. My motto is 'turn up the wick', I just can't have it bright enough for my personal preferences. No one should argue about it. A person needs to get the projector for all the great qualities it has, then match a screen that will suite their brightness expectations.

The blacks are great, even right out of the box. I saw a fade to black in Underworld Evolution, and it felt like I was a pitch black room for a second or 2, it really threw my senses off a bit. That makes it worth the $$ right there.
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Originally Posted by Elkhunter View Post

No offense (...) I guess that I could get used to a buttplug too, but thats not happening anytime soon.

Well, offense taken for sure. That was really uncouth and I'm no prude. That was completely unnecessary to make your point.
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

All good points Sam.

The thing that really attracts me to the highpower though is according to my calculations from Flyboys HP calculator and assuming I remount my PJ a bit lower which would be easy enough, I would literally just about double my brightness which means at 1/2 bulb life I will be getting the brightness I am getting right now which is a VERY exciting idea considering how much I love the image at the moment. I could choose to close down the iris with the HP to get the brightness closer to where it is right now on my 1.3 and then open it up as the bulb ages and even when it gets to 50% of its brightness the picture will be just as bright as what I am getting on a new bulb with the screen I have now..............that sounds absolutely fantastic to me!

Having said all that, if you are in a situation where you cant accomodate a HP or higher gain screen, why even worry about it? Just enjoy what you got as it is killer as is


Exactly, this is the point I am trying to get across, Is that no one with their current screen configuration or gain should be dissapointed with the level of brightness. But just like with everything else AV, there is always room for improvement. If DaLite or Stewart or SMX come out with a acoustically transparent 2.0 or high HP screen fabric, I will be the first one in line to plunk down the $1500 or more to re-do my screen. But the point here is that the brightness in 3D will be very well more than acceptable and satisfactory for anyone choosing to keep their existing screen, based on the 2D brightness expectations they had already experienced with a prior JVC projector. If you're prior JVC projector looked bright enough in 2D with your existing screen, it will still be bright enough in 3D on the same screen with the RS40/50, for the first 500-700 hours at least. Once you hit 1000 hours or more, your brightness is bound to take a hit in both 2D and 3D. Which is why you shouldn't be spoiling yourself now with a new lamp and 0 aperture, instead try to get your eyes to adjust to -5 or around there so you are better prepared when you're passing the 500 and 1000 hour milestones.
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

Exactly, this is the point I am trying to get across, Is that no one with their current screen configuration or gain should be dissapointed with the level of brightness. But just like with everything else AV, there is always room for improvement. If DaLite or Stewart or SMX come out with a acoustically transparent 2.0 or high HP screen fabric, I will be the first one in line to plunk down the $1500 or more to re-do my screen. But the point here is that the brightness in 3D will be very well more than acceptable and satisfactory for anyone choosing to keep their existing screen, based on the 2D brightness expectations they had already experienced with a prior JVC projector. If you're prior JVC projector looked bright enough in 2D with your existing screen, it will still be bright enough in 3D on the same screen with the RS40/50, for the first 500-700 hours at least. Once you hit 1000 hours or more, your brightness is bound to take a hit in both 2D and 3D. Which is why you shouldn't be spoiling yourself now with a new lamp and 0 aperture, instead try to get your eyes to adjust to -5 or around there so you are better prepared when you're passing the 500 and 1000 hour milestones.


I totally agree

One thing I did forget to mention is my glasses are a bit crooked..........I am curious to try out another pair to see if it is my face, or the glasses that have issues! I have never had this issue with all the glasses I have had throughout my life, so I assume it is just this particular pair I have and exchanging them will solve this very minor issue.
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Well, offense taken for sure. That was really uncouth and I'm no prude. That was completely unnecessary to make your point.

How did we go from 3D brightness to buttplugs? That's beyond me.
post #1127 of 9972
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

Zombie, you asked what scenes showed ghosting in relation to the Sony vs. Acer. I realized pretty much every scene had some form of ghosting or another. Some minor, and some obvious. Anyway I was gonna sell the Sony and just stick to my Acer/epson combo because I was going to move in march and needed to save money, but now Im not moving until the fall so I got's some money I can still spend. I'm getting the RS50 now, and hopefully Im not gonna get slapped in the face twice! The dealer was like naw theirs no ghosting on the Sony, and I pointed out scene after scene to him and he was like "I'll call you latter today when I get info on the JVC". This is my last attempt at going 3D with a non DLP projector. If anything I will just use the JVC for 2D and continue my dual PJ setup.

When I told my dealer that my 500 Acer is better then the Sony, he gave me a look like he wanted to hurt me. I told him if he wants, next time I come over I'll bring it and show him how 3D is supposed to look. Maybe he can become an Acer dealer

I have to get my nvidia card issue sorted out with the RS40 before I can check out any 3D. I have an ATI 5450 I might put in just to run some basic tests until I can figure out why the RS40 is bent with the GT430. Petri found this on his 460 so it's the whole product line it looks like.

I think i'm the first with the HP screen + the Acer / RS40 so I am curious if the extra gain will make any ghosting stand out. I know what I don't see, so it will be interesting once I get this up and running this weekend.
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Originally Posted by adammb View Post

I have quite a few cinemascope 3D movies.

Btw. I watched Despicable me last night and wasnt super impressed by the 3D in the movie but it was good. Honestly it will be a bit disappointing to watch movies in 2D now Be sure to watch the credits at the end. That was the best 3D effects to me with the minions. It was a pretty good movie overall though


Did you notice the fairly obvious ghosting on the opening menu system before you actually start the movie where the backdrop is white and the meny is orange? There is an orange ghost to the right of the menu list.
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Originally Posted by CT_Wiebe View Post

damnsam77 -- I would recommend that he get the Oppo BDP-93 over the Sony, if he can't get his HTPC working. Granted it's more money, but it is also a better player, with 2 HDMI outputs (a 1.4a for the RS40 and a 1.3 for the AVR/Processor).

zombie10k -- I thought the Nikon D40 had a better image dynamic range that the D90. At least it was the dynamic range king of Nikon's DSLRs when it first came out. I just got a new camera (a Christmas present from me to me), a Nikon Coolpix P100. It's not a DSLR, but it's what I need for vacation trips, and should be an improvement over my old Canon S3 IS digicam.

I fully agree with you as I am also playing 3D/2D blurays through my fancy new Oppo 93. But I was just trying to ease the blow on Jason since he probably cannot order the Oppo93 until AVS and other dealers get them since he was not on the early preorder list via Oppo back in November. Plus he may choose not to spend $500 on a new BD player if his 3D capabilties pan out on the HTPC later on.
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

I fully agree with you as I am also playing 3D/2D blurays through my fancy new Oppo 93. But I was just trying to ease the blow on Jason since he probably cannot order the Oppo93 until AVS and other dealers get them since he was not on the early preorder list via Oppo back in November. Plus he may choose not to spend $500 on a new BD player if his 3D capabilties pan out on the HTPC later on.

I'm talking to Petri now and asked Gary B to send a note to Japan, I described the issue in detail. I will get this working somehow, someway. There is a method to fake the EDID information being sent to the projector, time to head over the HTPC forum and chat with those guys.

what fun would this be if there wasn't a few challenges in the way. Sam, the irony is, the Emitter from that company arrived and yours will be here tomorrow. RS40, 2 pairs of x103's, 2 emitters. how much incentive do I have to find a method to make this work.

Claus - I used to agree about the D40's dynamic range until the D90 came about, it's a fantastic camera and I generally keep the D40 around because the kids loves to play with it and it can take quit a beating. The D90 is handled with velvet gloves.
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Sam, the irony is, the Emitter from that company arrived and yours will be here tomorrow. RS40, 2 pairs of x103's, 2 emitters. how much incentive do I have to find a method to make this work.

Yeah and you would have also had two RS40's, wow! The good news is that extra emitter only cost you a $100 box shipped Fedex-2Day, so it should be fairly easy to unload or return the other one to the dealer. The better news is that your first RS40 checked out, so you didn't get charged double and had to deal with a $3500 return, yikes! And somone else on AVS got to be happy this christmas by taking your spot.
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Hey Sam did you post any if your setting in previous pages? I will have my RS40 next week and was wondering what settings your using.
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Hey Sam did you post any if your setting in previous pages? I will have my RS40 next week and was wondering what settings your using.

i did post my settings in 2D and 3D earlier on, probably burried a dozen or two dozen pages back and by the time others get their RS40s this weekend or early next week we would have gone past 50 pages and probably 1500 posts, so we really need to start documenting before this thread gets out of control. I will make an effort to start populating the first few reserved posts this weekend or before Christmas. I welcome any help from any of the other RS40 owners, Please
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Anyone plan on watching the basketball game tomorrow night on ESPN 3D? I read that the new Pirates of the Carribean trailer will be premier then to in 3D.
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I'm talking to Petri now and asked Gary B to send a note to Japan, I described the issue in detail. I will get this working somehow, someway. There is a method to fake the EDID information being sent to the projector, time to head over the HTPC forum and chat with those guys.

This just occurred to me. Something I didn't attempt when I messed about with HTPCs and the pre-prod X7: disconnect HDMI cable, power up projector, boot HTPC to Windows desktop and only then connect the HDMI cable. Give it a shot and let us know.
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Anyone plan on watching the basketball game tomorrow night on ESPN 3D? I read that the new Pirates of the Carribean trailer will be premier then to in 3D.

exactly what time will that be on?
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

exactly what time will that be on?

fri dec 17 7:00pm est nba: Heat vs knicks
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Anyone looking for a good 3D Blu-ray player might want to check out the Sony 570. It's on sale everywhere now for about $140. I picked one up Tuesday and it's even faster than my PS3 at loading discs. (I downloaded the 3D firmware upgrade, burned it to a CD and installed it in just a few minutes.) Monsters vs Aliens was my first 3D title, and watching it with the Panasonic 350 is excruciating. It seems to me that everything about the Sony is faster (picture quality is the same, and the Sony only has one HDMI port). I don't do any streaming (too spoiled by Blu-ray) although it does have streaming features. Another feature I like is the skip forward and back buttons, which allow you to do what I do with my Dish DVR - skip several seconds ahead or back if you want to check out something that just happened. Don't know how many times I've pressed the wrong buttons with Blu-ray discs and my Harmony remote. The same buttons that I use for skip on the Dish are mapped as Chapter back and forward with the Blu-ray player. I plan to map those buttons the same way on the Harmony when I get the RS40.
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thanks Joe, I have bought two of the same Sony players for $159 less than a month ago for the living room and bedroom, so I will be stopping by BBY tonight or tomorrow to get almost $50 back after tax

and just for the record, this is a GREAT 3D BD player LOADED with Internet Apps and Web content, not to mention great BD playback quality and super fast speeds when loading. Probably the best 3D player on the market when it comes to bang for the buck.


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Anyone looking for a good 3D Blu-ray player might want to check out the Sony 570. It's on sale everywhere now for about $140. I picked one up Tuesday and it's even faster than my PS3 at loading discs. (I downloaded the 3D firmware upgrade, burned it to a CD and installed it in just a few minutes.) Monsters vs Aliens was my first 3D title, and watching it with the Panasonic 350 is excruciating. It seems to me that everything about the Sony is faster (picture quality is the same, and the Sony only has one HDMI port). I don't do any streaming (too spoiled by Blu-ray) although it does have streaming features. Another feature I like is the skip forward and back buttons, which allow you to do what I do with my Dish DVR - skip several seconds ahead or back if you want to check out something that just happened. Don't know how many times I've pressed the wrong buttons with Blu-ray discs and my Harmony remote. The same buttons that I use for skip on the Dish are mapped as Chapter back and forward with the Blu-ray player. I plan to map those buttons the same way on the Harmony when I get the RS40.
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fri dec 17 7:00pm est nba: Heat vs knicks

This is gonna be a great game! and in 3D! WOOT!!! Thanks
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