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post #1321 of 9972
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Wow Chris, that was pretty quick on JVC's part.

One question:

I am loving my RS40 so much that I almost DON'T want to mess with it's FW

So is there ANYTHING on the FW (other than the 3D Gamma cycles fix) that could negatively affect the existing PQ or brightness, especially 3D? I am a bit paranoid because the silly part of me thinks I may have been lucky to have a magic 3D unicorn inside my RS40, and I don't want his unicorn soul to be flashed.

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Originally Posted by cdeutsch View Post

Hello Everyone,

There is a firmware update for the RS40/X3. This addresses the situation that occurs when changing the Gamma from the remote in the 3D mode. It also addresses 3D Blu-ray player compatibility.

There is a separate firmware update for the RS50/X7 & RS60/X9 that only addresses 3D Blu-ray player compatibility.

You can find the firmware updates here:
http://support.jvc.com/consumer/custrel/index.jsp

You will notice there are two links. One is to a document that explains how to do the update via the USB connection on the projector. The other link is for the actual firmware.

Chris
post #1322 of 9972
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I don't think this is Nvidia's fault, the 430GT works with all my other displays from different manufacturers. The 430GT is the perfect 1.4 HDMI card with HD audio streaming and is quite reliable with PowerDVD10.

There's a definite incompatibility problem between Nvidia cards and JVC's 3D projectors, that appears to be certain. I don't know, or care, who is to blame, but I hope the companies talk to each other ASAP and work out a solution.
post #1323 of 9972
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

Wow Chris, that was pretty quick on JVC's part.

One question:

I am loving my RS40 so much that I almost DON'T want to mess with it's FW, even if it fixes the remote Gamma cycles in 3D.

So Is there ANYTHING on the FW that could affect the existing PQ or brightness, especially 3D? I am a bit paranoid because parts of me thinks I got a magic unicorn inside my RS40, and I don't want his unicorn soul to be flashed.

Hi Sam,

Bottom line on any firmware is always: If you're happy, then there is nothing you need to change.

Having said that, I see no downside to the firmware.

Chris
post #1324 of 9972
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

Wow Chris, that was pretty quick on JVC's part.

One question:

I am loving my RS40 so much that I almost DON'T want to mess with it's FW

So is there ANYTHING on the FW (other than the 3D Gamma cycles fix) that could negatively affect the existing PQ or brightness, especially 3D? I am a bit paranoid because the silly part of me thinks I may have been lucky to have a magic 3D unicorn inside my RS40, and I don't want his unicorn soul to be flashed.

A Unicorn flashing its soul - is that the same thing as baring its soul?
post #1325 of 9972
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Originally Posted by cdeutsch View Post

Hi Sam,

Bottom line on any firmware is always: If you're happy, then there is nothing you need to change.

Having said that, I see no downside to the firmware.

Chris


Chris,
Here is a more fair question. What exactly does this FW for the RS40 address other than the remote 3D gamma cycle issue? Are there any unreported bugs it also fixes?
post #1326 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

A Unicorn flashing its soul - is that the same thing as baring its soul?

I don't know...because I am not a Unicorn
post #1327 of 9972
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check out link below for more details (basically an Instant $8 off amazon coupon makes it $21.99, which for a 3D blockbuster movie is a bargain right now)

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=5637
post #1328 of 9972
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

check out link below for more details.

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=5637

Nice find
post #1329 of 9972
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Originally Posted by cdeutsch View Post

Hello Everyone,

There is a firmware update for the RS40/X3. This addresses the situation that occurs when changing the Gamma from the remote in the 3D mode. It also addresses 3D Blu-ray compatability

Chris

Chris, is there any way you can find out more details on what the compatability fix is for? I am having a problem with the NVIDIA graphics card syncing to the JVC, it works fine on all of my other displays.

I asked Gary to forward my issues to Japan support today.

Thanks.
post #1330 of 9972
I have just about convinced the wife to spend some more and get the RS40, but I need to answer some of her questions. This question come from the past few weeks of me telling her about some of the possible (maybe not true) faults of the 3D part.

I have a new 133" HP screen and it sits 16" from the projector. Our chairs sit about 17" to 18' from the screen. Is this to far away for the full effect of the 3D? When the 3D part is used the room will be totally black.
post #1331 of 9972
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

Chris, is there any way you can find out more details on what the compatability fix is for? I am having a problem with the NVIDIA graphics card syncing to the JVC, it works fine on all of my other displays.

I asked Gary to forward my issues to Japan support today.

Thanks.

I believe it is just for Panasonic 3d blu-ray players.
post #1332 of 9972
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Originally Posted by rgathright View Post

I have just about convinced the wife to spend some more and get the RS40, but I need to answer some of her questions. This question come from the past few weeks of me telling her about some of the possible (maybe not true) faults of the 3D part.

I have a new 133" HP screen and it sits 16" from the projector. Our chairs sit about 17" to 18' from the screen. Is this to far away for the full effect of the 3D? When the 3D part is used the room will be totally black.

That is kind of far for a first row, but it's about as far as my 2nd row is and the effect is still great there too. But I feel like the closer you are the better the effect is. So if you can move your first and maybe only row a bit closer, then go for it. Otherwise being that far is not a good reason on its own NOT to enjoy 3D.
post #1333 of 9972
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post


With a nominal gain screen, I'm sure I would already be in high lamp mode with the iris fairly open, so not much headroom as the inevitable bulb degradation occurs.

For 2.35/40 material which I have to throw a ~128" 1.78 image to do on my 2.35 screen, I already am at high lamp, and fully open iris.........I could get used to it a bit dimmer, but I would not want to..........I need to order a highpower!
post #1334 of 9972
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

Chris, is there any way you can find out more details on what the compatability fix is for? I am having a problem with the NVIDIA graphics card syncing to the JVC, it works fine on all of my other displays.

I asked Gary to forward my issues to Japan support today.

Thanks.

This is only for the Panasonic BR and Gamma switching improvements. The NVIDIA issue has been reported and it will take a few days to see what they can do.
post #1335 of 9972
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Originally Posted by GaryB_UK View Post

This is only for the Panasonic BR and Gamma switching improvements. The NVIDIA issue has been reported and it will take a few days to see what they can do.

Gary, thank you. At least it saved me the time of doing the firmware update.

I can provided the EDID information of the JVC when connected to the Nvidia card, I ran a second monitor to extract the EDID information. It says native connection should be 1920x1080 but as Petri and I have discovered, the JVC is multiplying the horizontal resolution by 1.5 times. So it becomes 2880x1080 or VGA res 640x480 becomes 1280x480, etc.

If you hear anything back, please let me know. I'll test any updates from JVC support and provide feedback.
post #1336 of 9972
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

Gary, thank you. At least it saved me the time of doing the firmware update.

I can provided the EDID information of the JVC when connected to the Nvidia card, I ran a second monitor to extract the EDID information. It says native connection should be 1920x1080 but as Petri and I have discovered, the JVC is multiplying the horizontal resolution by 1.5 times. So it becomes 2880x1080 or VGA res 640x480 becomes 1280x480, etc.

If you hear anything back, please let me know. I'll test any updates from JVC support and provide feedback.

Engineer's typo? Too much caffeine that night?
post #1337 of 9972
I am getting really excited reading all the rave reviews about this projector. I have had it with my Epson and received my brand new replacement today (8700UB), I hope I can move it cheap and fast and find a RS40 soon!
post #1338 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

Engineer's typo? Too much caffeine that night?

ok ok, 640 x 1.5 = 960 I get it...

IT'S STILL BROKEN!! boo...

I might try picking up a GT240 for kicks tomorrow just to give it a shot. Petri is going to try the ATI card with the latest drivers which just came out. Crossing my fingers 1 of the 2 works. I just don't want to start with a dedicated BD player if I can avoid it.
post #1339 of 9972
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Originally Posted by GaryB_UK View Post
Top & Bottom works with 1080p 24, 720p 50/60 as listed in the spec. here.
Thanks Gary. Why is 1080i Top and Bottom not supported?

The ESPN3D channel is broadcasting the first NBA basketball game tonight in 3D. It is being broadcast in Top and Bottom format.

My initial thought was that the lack of support for 1080i top and bottom format would be a showstopper for me if it meant no ESPN3D. However I then remembered that ESPN3D broadcasts in 720p. So from the spec I see this would be supported.

My concern, however, is that one day they may change to 1080i. Or that another channel that's 1080i currently may broadcast future shows in Top and Bottom format, and we wouldn't be able to watch them.

Do you know why TnB is not supported at 1080i? If you tell me that due to the technical nature of 1080i there will never be a case for a broadcaster to use TnB format on 1080i, then that's one thing. But if the possibility exists, I see this as a possible future compatibility issue.

If you can please elaborate on this that would be great.
post #1340 of 9972
Speaking of Top and Bottom 3D - is anyone watching the ESPN3D NBA game in 3D on their RS40/50? This would be a great way to confirm that TnB is at least working at 720p.
post #1341 of 9972
For nearly 3 years I have been using a RS2/HD100 and a Lumagen RadianceXD with correct colorspace dialed in. I have been very satisfied and still am. I have not been experienced the decline in brightness and build up of dirt that as been reported by HD750/RS20 users, of course the lamp reduces in brightness, but changing it I go back to what it was when new and I havent detected any dirt in the lamp house.

Can anyone tell me what I can expect in increased 2D performance? I have zero interest in 3D for the time being.
post #1342 of 9972
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post
ok ok, 640 x 1.5 = 960 I get it...

IT'S STILL BROKEN!! boo...

I might try picking up a GT240 for kicks tomorrow just to give it a shot. Petri is going to try the ATI card with the latest drivers which just came out. Crossing my fingers 1 of the 2 works. I just don't want to start with a dedicated BD player if I can avoid it.
Seriously, I didn't even notice your typo. I was (only half kiddingly) suggesting that an engineer made a typo that resulted in the JVC/nVidia incompatibility. I wouldn't be at all surprised if a simple coding mistake is responsible for the gamma switching problem on the RS40 that necessitated the JVC firmware update. Maybe a mistake in a subroutine meant that cycling through the gamma presets causes the projector to drop accidentally into an emergency shutdown mode. Cut to the engineer making a five stroke change to the code, and starting the upgrade instructions for JVC customers worldwide. (Maybe that's a thought only someone who has written computer code could appreciate. Never mind.)

Anyway, maybe Chris can let the engineers know, so that they can fix the problem quickly. Hopefully, it's something simple. (Cut to an engineer screaming, "Do you know how many lines of code I'm gonna have to change to fix that??? How many people could possibly be affected, anyway? (OK, I should stop doing that.)
post #1343 of 9972
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post
And I answered it in the other thread. Your screen is 116 inches wide. You can place the front of the projector anywhere from a minimum of 1.4 times 116 inches to as far as 2.8 times 116 inches. Stay away a few inches from the very extremes. Are you ging to mount the projector at screen center height?
Thanks Mark and Henrich. I honestly did not see your reply Mark, that thread flies by I will be mounting it on a shelf on my back wall dead center of the screen from a throw of about 15-16ft
post #1344 of 9972
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Originally Posted by pteittinen View Post
Yes, the 6800 series is HDMI 1.4 compliant. But it's no good without software support. All applications wishing to output frame packed 3D via a 6800 series card must support AMD's QuadBuffer HD3D solution. If you're running an earlier, non-HD3D version of PowerDVD 10, for example, you're not going to get frame packed 3D.
Are you sure? The 460s, 450s, and the 430s I checked out stated they had 1.4a hdmi ports. Here's Nividia's official statement on the 450 GTS:

HDMI 1.4a Support
Support for HDMI 1.4a including GPU accelerated Blu-ray 3D support (Blu-ray 3D playback requires the purchase of a compatible software player from CyberLink, ArcSoft, Corel, or Sonic), x.v.Color, HDMI Deep Color, and 7.1 digital surround sound will be added in a Release 260 driver. Upgrade your GPU to full 3D capability with NVIDIA 3DTV Play software, enabling 3D gaming, picture viewing and 3D web video streaming. See www.nvidia.com/3dtv for more details.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/product...ts-450-us.html
post #1345 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Per Johnny View Post
For nearly 3 years I have been using a RS2/HD100 and a Lumagen RadianceXD with correct colorspace dialed in. I have been very satisfied and still am. I have not been experienced the decline in brightness and build up of dirt that as been reported by HD750/RS20 users, of course the lamp reduces in brightness, but changing it I go back to what it was when new and I havent detected any dirt in the lamp house.

Can anyone tell me what I can expect in increased 2D performance? I have zero interest in 3D for the time being.
I too am currently using the RS2. My RS-50 is apparently being shipped out on Monday so within a week I'll be able to give full on impressions comparing the RS2 to these new PJs. I realize the RS50 isn't the 40 but the tech behind them is the same so I'd like to think the difference/improvements over the RS2 would pretty be the same with the RS40.

Based on what I have read here and elsewhere, it seems the improvements for 2d over the RS2 are:

-sharper
-better/smoother motion
-brighter
-more image depth
-better contrast ratio/black level
-superior/more accurate colour reproduction though for your colour corrected RS2 this (I'm guessing) doesn't factor in

I am expecting/hoping to see a clearly superior improvement compared to the RS2. I went from the RS1 to the RS2 and the improvement there was easily visible to me and worth the upgrade so I'm pretty sure it'll be even more obvious and greater with the RS-50.
post #1346 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post
I have most of my 3D discs backed up, so I'm ready when this mess gets sorted out. I have over 20TB of Blu-ray titles on a couple of UnRaid servers, and I look forward to being able to play back 3D titles the same way as 2D ones.
I don't know what you guys use to manage, peruse, and basically categorize/track your movie files, but you should check out an app I wrote to do that for my HD based ISOs and other movie files. It download info from blu-ray.com (more detailed BD info than IMDB) or from IMDB. With this I know what HD to swap in; the aspect ratio to setup for and using the "favs" feature, keep track of the movies the family is interested in watching as we go through the list.

Here's a screen:


There's another screen view for use in just movie browsing - and other numerous features. Best part is that it's free. Check my sig link for more details and to download.
post #1347 of 9972
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post
It must be a Sony US wide sale on the S570 because Bestbuy's website is listing it for $139 as well, so I printed the page and will get my price match guarantee of almost $50 tomorrow (since I bought two at the same time) while I am picking up Legends of the Guaridans 3d

By the way Jason, this is the BD player I was refering to this morning when CT_Webbe recommended the Oppo93 which I also own and use for the theater and RS40. If you don't want to spend $500 on a new 3D BD player, or can't even aquire an Oppo93 at the moment even if you wanted to spend the money, then the Sony BSP-S570 is a WONDERFUL alternative, with the exception of the non-backlit remote, which is Pretty lame!

After all this Sony love I decided to give the 570 a try for that price ($138 on Amazon w/ free ship!), and decide whether I need to keep the Oppo, (I love my Sony 400 disc BD changer!). Now that I bought that Monoprice 4x2 matrix switcher waiting for the Denon 5308ci 3D upgrade, I may not need a dual output player. Of course the biggest factor in keeping the Oppo will PQ. It'll be interesting to see what Sam and I feel is best.
post #1348 of 9972
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Originally Posted by krichter1 View Post
After all this Sony love I decided to give the 570 a try for that price ($138 on Amazon w/ free ship!), and decide whether I need to keep the Oppo, (I love my Sony 400 disc BD changer!). Now that I bought that Monoprice 4x2 matrix switcher waiting for the Denon 5308ci 3D upgrade, I may not need a dual output player. Of course the biggest factor in keeping the Oppo will PQ. It'll be interesting to see what Sam and I feel is best.
I think i may be keeping my Opp93 after all, nothing against the Sony at all, but i think the Oppo93 will be a better fit for the theater use especially with its own vertical stretch and zooming capabilities, not to mention the subtitle shift capabilities that i can put to work with scope movies using the CIH/AR lens set up i have now. Plus Oppo just released their first FW for the 93 model which supposedly addresses the long hdmi handshake times.

Edit: oh and who got $44 back on his credit card today? (This guy!!!) i was able to get the BBY Low price guarantee since i had paid $160 for two Sony BDP-S570's.
post #1349 of 9972
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Originally Posted by nightfly85 View Post

I don't know what you guys use to manage, peruse, and basically categorize/track your movie files, but you should check out an app I wrote to do that for my HD based ISOs and other movie files. It download info from blu-ray.com (more detailed BD info than IMDB) or from IMDB. With this I know what HD to swap in; the aspect ratio to setup for and using the "favs" feature, keep track of the movies the family is interested in watching as we go through the list.


There's another screen view for use in just movie browsing - and other numerous features. Best part is that it's free. Check my sig link for more details and to download.


I will definitely have to try your software, assuming it's free (donation-based?) once i get this unRaid set up that Joe's got. First I gotta pay off a couple of credit cards before i think about spending more than $1500 to build such a big HTPC attached HD library.

Hey Joe, one of this days i will call you to get some ideas on where to start. I've got hundreds of blurry movies and it would be nice to play them all using a neat media software like the one Night wrote.
post #1350 of 9972
So I got my RS40 in today and we did some playing around. So far, I'm not overly impressed.

Initial findings:

- Noticeable noise in the grayscale ramps and even color bars. Didn't matter how I had it hooked up and tried multiple players.

- Obvious pixel flickering with high resolution test pattern. On the AVS disc under misc. patterns there is a pattern that is a bunch of one pixel boxes with a single pixel inside. With this pattern the image is nearly constantly flickering. If you go up to the screen you see it is the pixels shifting and coming in and out. Never seen this before with a PJ. Again tried several hook up methods and players, always the same.

- Brightness. In high lamp mode I am getting about 12-13 fL on a 120" diagonal ST130. That seems a bit low for a new bulb in high lamp considering there is no color filter on this PJ and I had the iris wide open. That is even lower than my RS35 was, which had a lower watt bulb.

Convergence was decent and blacks looked good in general. We didn't do any contrast measurements. We did some playback of 3D using a Oppo 93. The player is going through an Integra 80.2 (HDMI 1.4) and had lots of synch issues. I had to keep changing the input on the processor or projector until I got an image. Sometimes I would just get sound. Eventually I could always get it working though.

We looked at Avatar and How to Train Your Dragon both in 3D and I was impressed with just how good the images looked. Blacks looked a bit crushed though and changing the gamma didn't appear to do anything while in playback. I didn't use the 3D preset mode (too ugly) and kept it in Custom. No calibration was done before hand except basic contrast/brightness settings. Aside from the black crush the image looked great. We used Xpand glasses with no real issue. All of us noticed eye fatigue within a few minutes though, which is a bit unsettling. I went to Tron Legacy last night in 3D and didn't have any fatigue at all throughout the entire film.

I am not going to be able to play with the PJ again until next weekend but Shane Buettner is going to do some more tests on it. They are also going to have access to an RS50. If it doesn't exhibit the same flicker issues and obvious noise, I will probably just return this one as it may be defective. I tried to update the firmware per the instructions in the PDF but I could never get the driver to install for the USB port. I don't know if it is a Windows 7 thing or what, but it never brings up the wizard, it just says driver not found. Shane is going to try some more at his place.

We didn't get the chance to do any 2D viewing at my place before I had to call it a night, but Darin and Shane are looking at it now so maybe Darin can chime in later.
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