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post #2431 of 9660
1/3/11 at 11:13am
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If you haven't done so yet, Sam, you should subscribe to Jason's HTPC/JVC thread. Hopefully, we're going to hammer out the solutions we all need to get our HTPCs and media servers working properly with the JVCs. There's already progress, but we have a ways to go. Unfortunately, that's almost always the case with computers.

I still think it would be a good idea to summarize the progress of that thread at the start of this thread, too. You have the slots reserved, and a one-stop solution is always attractive to owners, IMO.
Joe,
If anyone can PM me the current summary or status as it stands, I will post it in one of the first reserved posts.
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post #2432 of 9660
1/3/11 at 11:15am
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Thanks Ron, but this whole thing with DirecTV's position towards AVRs is total BS, and for me would be enough to consider a breach of contract. They ARE THE ONES marketing the heck of out their HD video with 5.1 surround sound, how could they market that audio capability if they are asking their consumers to skip the AVR and connect directly to a flat panel TV with crap 10 watt stereo speakers? I call B.S. and as soon as I get the time this week I will call DirecTV and rip them a new one if they give me this lame excuse.
The audio can still be sent to the AVR via Toslink with the HDMI going directly to the 3DTV. That seems to be what they are suggesting.
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post #2433 of 9660
1/3/11 at 11:15am
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For some of you who have not purchased a 3D BD player yet, and would like to get a legit copy of Avatar 3D for free, check out the new Panny promo below

http://forum.blu-ray.com/movie-tv-de...bd-player.html


Oh and this new deal, should absolutely kill the ebay sales of Avatar 3D, so if you've got a 3D Avatar copy better sell it now before J6P gets wind of this promo.
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post #2434 of 9660
1/3/11 at 11:17am
I know that this is just a small area of the HT universe but with the amount of people having a problem with this issue with Directv, i still think they need to address it and quickly. Perhaps ESPN being the main culprit, does this particular format work well with SONY? I know the relationship between ESPN and SONY is very deep-seeded and perhaps this is a product of Sony possibly receiving a leg-up to the competition with ESPN's help? This is all pure speculation of course.

On the other hand, this is a real deal-breaker for me as I love watching sports and having the ability to do so in 3d would definitely be a good reason for me to jump on this pj. until I know the answer to this, I may not.
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post #2435 of 9660
1/3/11 at 11:17am
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Over on DBSTalk forum it appears there were several owners of Panasonic and Samsung 3DTVs that were reporting similiar issues back a few months ago where they were getting error messages from their Directv STBs/DVRs saying their 3DTV did not support the required 720p 3D format. There were several reports this had to do with the Directv STBs not handling EDID correctly. More recently it appears that firmware updates by Directv for their STBs/DVRs have resolved many of these issues with the Panasonic and Samsung 3DTVs as long as a AVR is not connected between the Directv box and the 3DTV. It was reported that Directv's official position is they do not support having AVRs, even those with HDMI 1.4a inputs/output, between their boxes and the 3DTV (i.e., only support a direct HDMI connection from the Directv box to the 3DTV). A lot of this has to do with the Directv boxes only having HDMI 1.3 hardware and as a result cannot fully do the HDMI exchanges necessary to fully identify the audio and video formats supported by the connected AVR and 3D display (as this was only introduced with the HDMI 1.4a standard). I suspect the bottom line is that it may take firmware updates from both JVC and Directv to correctly address these issues and perhaps the JVC projectors also have hardware limitations that can not be addressed via just a firmware update. I believe that JVC needs to be coordinating with Directv to determine how to best address this issue.
Just one more reason to hate HDMI as much as I love it. It's ridiculous to have to jump through hoops to get HDMI devices to do what they should do automatically and painlessly. "HDMI handshake" sounds like such a friendly term. Too bad those doing the handshaking often seem more like bitter enemies than friends.
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1/3/11 at 11:18am
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The audio can still be sent to the AVR via Toslink with the HDMI going directly to the 3DTV. That seems to be what they are suggesting.
While true, this would still be considered kind of a hack solution, because now even the consumers who upgraded their HDMI chain to 1.4, are STILL having to use Optical cables, whe HDMI should be able to pass compressed 5.1 DD audio with 3D via HDMI 1.3. I know there are many ways to skin a cat (forgive the cruel expression), but that doesn't mean we should grab out old TOS cables from the box of old cables in the attic to get a post 2009/2010 HD-DVR and AVR/Display to properly play 3D video and DD audio.
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1/3/11 at 11:21am
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I know that this is just a small area of the HT universe but with the amount of people having a problem with this issue with Directv, i still think they need to address it and quickly. Perhaps ESPN being the main culprit, does this particular format work well with SONY? I know the relationship between ESPN and SONY is very deep-seeded and perhaps this is a product of Sony possibly receiving a leg-up to the competition with ESPN's help? This is all pure speculation of course.

On the other hand, this is a real deal-breaker for me as I love watching sports and having the ability to do so in 3d would definitely be a good reason for me to jump on this pj. until I know the answer to this, I may not.
Whether ESPN, DirecTV or Sony's greasing hands is the culprit, I am just surprised that JVC has yet to OFFICIALLY say someting about this, other than post a chart of compatible 3D formats. We NEED to know from JVC if they are discussing this huge compatability issue with DirecTV/Comcast/ESPN. Our voices as consumers will not nearly be as strong as the voice of one executive of engineering/R&D at JVC.

EDIT: Maybe if we can all schedule a specific time to call DirecTV's customer support at the same exact time reporting the same 720P 3D problem, maybe, Maybe that could put a dent in the situation and bring some much needed attention to it.
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post #2438 of 9660
1/3/11 at 11:24am
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post
Joe,
If anyone can PM me the current summary or status as it stands, I will post it in one of the first reserved posts.
We'll keep you updated when we know for sure what works. I won't be able to contribute too much until I get my RS40, but I think it's going to be a very valuable thread. Jason's made significant progress already.
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post #2439 of 9660
1/3/11 at 11:24am
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Seems like this 3D gravy train is continuing to haull arse!

Beauty and the Beast, Lion King 3D Blu-ray in the Fall 2011

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=5679

I, for one, do not mind the conversion as long as they still include the 2D version on the same or a seperate disc.
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1/3/11 at 11:25am
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Just one more reason to hate HDMI as much as I love it. It's ridiculous to have to jump through hoops to get HDMI devices to do what they should do automatically and painlessly. "HDMI handshake" sounds like such a friendly term. Too bad those doing the handshaking often seem more like bitter enemies than friends.
Handshake my ass, seems more like a fist fight to me.
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1/3/11 at 11:30am
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post
For some of you who have not purchased a 3D BD player yet, and would like to get a legit copy of Avatar 3D for free, check out the new Panny promo below

http://forum.blu-ray.com/movie-tv-de...bd-player.html
Strange this offer only applies to the model BDT100 as there were reports about a month ago that this model was beng discontinued and was being replaced by the BDT107 (which is now avaiable - LINK). Maybe this promotion is a way to clear out excess inventory of the old model Blu-ray 3D player. There are also rumors that a new Panasonic 300 series Blu-ray 3D is coming out (if true, it will probably be announced the end of this week at CES).
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post #2442 of 9660
1/3/11 at 11:39am
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Handshake my ass, seems more like a fist fight to me.
More like classic finger pointing....by the HDMI middle finger...
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post #2443 of 9660
1/3/11 at 12:01pm
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

Good to hear Jason, because I still wanna hit you up and get the "grocery list" so to speak to build my NAS/Bluray library, I have nearly 800 bluray movies, and it would be nice if I don't have to get up and keep switching discs. Not to mention it would look way more impressive if my entire HD library is viewable with a click of a button from a PC.

There is still a bunch of details to work out, but as it sits, with the new Nvidia Driver, the GT430 is working perfect with TMT5, 3D BD playback and HD audio on the RS40. This is with a split video / audio setup. HDMI -> RS40, DVI -> HDMI - Pioneer SC-07.

I've been through 9 3D movies so far and the HD audio is rock solid so far. I still have to try PowerDVD10, but this is light years ahead of where I was a week ago struggling with the ATI 5450 or finding a case / mobo to hold the massive 6850 card.

Once we have solid info from the other thread, maybe we can update the first page with 1 stop shopping info (card, drivers, playback software, etc)

in the meantime, I am thrilled this is working, random access to my BD collection with HD audio means the universe is once again in balance.
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post #2444 of 9660
1/3/11 at 12:14pm
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Strange this offer only applies to the model BDT100 as there were reports about a month ago that this model was beng discontinued and was being replaced by the BDT107 (which is now avaiable - LINK). Maybe this promotion is a way to clear out excess inventory of the old model Blu-ray 3D player. There are also rumors that a new Panasonic 300 series Blu-ray 3D is coming out (if true, it will probably be announced the end of this week at CES).

Is there anything you would miss out on with this player? I was looking at the Oppo but it is obviously significantly more, this would be a good step to completing the 3d setup for me though as it would save me some dough where I could get the emitter and glasses and be set to jet instead
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post #2445 of 9660
1/3/11 at 12:22pm
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Is there anything you would miss out on with this player? I was looking at the Oppo but it is obviously significantly more, this would be a good step to completing the 3d setup for me though as it would save me some dough where I could get the emitter and glasses and be set to jet instead

As far as I know, the Panasonic, unlike the Oppo 93, cannot V-stretch in 3D or do a subtitle shift for some of us with Scope/CIH/AR-lens configurations. And to be more specific about the Oppo 93's 3D V-stretching, some said it does not work on all 3D movies, but so far it has worked on all of the scope 3D movies I have tried. Also the Oppo 93 comes with a free WiFi dongle, but the Panasonic BDT100 is Network/Internet capable, but not WiFi ready to go as is.

That being said, Panasonic makes fine blu-ray players if you don't care about the 3 features I mentioned above.
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post #2446 of 9660
1/3/11 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

There is still a bunch of details to work out, but as it sits, with the new Nvidia Driver, the GT430 is working perfect with TMT5, 3D BD playback and HD audio on the RS40. This is with a split video / audio setup. HDMI -> RS40, DVI -> HDMI - Pioneer SC-07.

I've been through 9 3D movies so far and the HD audio is rock solid so far. I still have to try PowerDVD10, but this is light years ahead of where I was a week ago struggling with the ATI 5450 or finding a case / mobo to hold the massive 6850 card.

Once we have solid info from the other thread, maybe we can update the first page with 1 stop shopping info (card, drivers, playback software, etc)

in the meantime, I am thrilled this is working, random access to my BD collection with HD audio means the universe is once again in balance.


Thanks Jason, you've definitely put in a lot of hardwork and effort researching this issue, which is a major one.

I linked your HTPC thread in the first page for others to check out.
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post #2447 of 9660
1/3/11 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

Whether ESPN, DirecTV or Sony's greasing hands is the culprit, I am just surprised that JVC has yet to OFFICIALLY say someting about this, other than post a chart of compatible 3D formats. We NEED to know from JVC if they are discussing this huge compatability issue with DirecTV/Comcast/ESPN. Our voices as consumers will not nearly be as strong as the voice of one executive of engineering/R&D at JVC.

EDIT: Maybe if we can all schedule a specific time to call DirecTV's customer support at the same exact time reporting the same 720P 3D problem, maybe, Maybe that could put a dent in the situation and bring some much needed attention to it.

Like I mentioned in the original dumpster thread this issue seems to be two fold, with one being an incorrect EDID issue and the other being JVC not supporting the "optional" formats being output by ESPN & Panasonic. DirecTV swears they are only passing the native information that is being given to them by the broadcasters, however you see that owners of HR24's are confirming bad EDID coming from the STB:

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=183091

Having a sneeking suspicion this will not get resolved very quickly I went back to Mark's suggestion of Gefen's HDMI Detective and bought one on Amazon today. If $99 gets me a work around then to me it's worth it for now. I'll go over to BB and plug it in to a known working display to the HR24 and move that to the 3D theater.
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post #2448 of 9660
1/3/11 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by krichter1 View Post

I went back to Mark's suggestion of Gefen's HDMI Detective and bought one on Amazon today. If $99 gets me a work around then to me it's worth it for now. I'll go over to BB and plug it in to a known working display to the HR24 and move that to the 3D theater.

Please do let us know if this works, and works through the AVR.
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post #2449 of 9660
1/3/11 at 12:33pm
Did some testing at lunch. All 3 of the xboxs that I have show the same problem.

2 xbox slim
1 xbox elite
2 hdmi cables
3 different locations in my room
2 power cords
2 different power circuits

Issue does not follow the 360 to any other TV.

Personally I'm sure it's something between the 360 and 40. Since I have the workaround to 720p available I guess I will go that route, not sure my issue would warrant an exchange, although I am a bit disappointed I can't keep it in 1080p like I have for the past few years on every other projector.
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post #2450 of 9660
1/3/11 at 12:52pm
I am going to post a dumb question, hopefully you guys will go easy on me.

I switched from the Epson line had 1080, 6500, 8500 and 8700. I got away from them do to poor quality and a string of bad luck with some issues.

That being said, in brightest mode should there be big difference in brightness between say the 8700 and RS40?

I have had a couple comments from more technically inclined friends say without asking, " this projector isn't as bright as your old one".

I noticeably right away also when watching sports and playing games. Not as bright/vibrant.
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post #2451 of 9660
1/3/11 at 1:06pm
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Did some testing at lunch. All 3 of the xboxs that I have show the same problem.

2 xbox slim
1 xbox elite
2 hdmi cables
3 different locations in my room
2 power cords
2 different power circuits

Issue does not follow the 360 to any other TV.

Personally I'm sure it's something between the 360 and 40. Since I have the workaround to 720p available I guess I will go that route, not sure my issue would warrant an exchange, although I am a bit disappointed I can't keep it in 1080p like I have for the past few years on every other projector.

Have you tried running directly between the XBOX and the pj (without switching through an AVR, just to rule that out)?
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1/3/11 at 1:09pm
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Have you tried running directly between the XBOX and the pj (without switching through an AVR, just to rule that out)?

Yup.

I have ran two different hdmi cables directly to the projector on both inputs. All 3 xboxs were tested on each input with direct hdmi connection to the projector.
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post #2453 of 9660
1/3/11 at 1:16pm
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

Exactly I was talking about Epson's first PJ with FI, which was released around the same time as the RS20.

I instead was talking about FI in Epson this year model
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The Sony VW90 is almost triple the price of the RS40's preorder price, so there is no way in heck I would fork that much more money to get better FI,

Infact, this is not the point I'm going to receive RS60 which costs like a VW90 + RS40 BUT will have the same FI with artifacts of RS40 .....
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If only JVC can address the 720p 3D DirecTV issue with ESPN 3D, I would be a happy camper.

Yeah .. but add, If only JVC can address a better algos for FI to be at last as Sony or Epson and give us the possibility to add FI in 3D mode like Sony does !!!
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post #2454 of 9660
1/3/11 at 1:19pm
FI aside for one second, what do people find is the appeal of dark frame insertion? Mode 2 works quite well for this on the JVCs, but is it just a trip down nostalgia lane to cinemas of the 70s and 80s, or is there some other reason for the hype around this feature?
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1/3/11 at 1:23pm
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FI aside for one second, what do people find is the appeal of dark frame insertion? Mode 2 works quite well for this on the JVCs, but is it just a trip down nostalgia lane to cinemas of the 70s and 80s, or is there some other reason for the hype around this feature?

Jon ... both mode show inacceptable flickering for my eyes ....
I'm particulary sensible to flicker ...
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1/3/11 at 1:27pm
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Seems like this 3D gravy train is continuing to haull arse!

Beauty and the Beast, Lion King 3D Blu-ray in the Fall 2011

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=5679

I, for one, do not mind the conversion as long as they still include the 2D version on the same or a seperate disc.

We saw Tron 3D (Real3D - passive glasses) in the local theater and found it very unimpressive (little story depth, little 3D depth, and non-vivid), so don't get too excited about this one. However, the Pirates of the Caribbean 3D did look WOW.

Always on the watch for new content. Check this out:
This Ain't Avatar XXX Parody 3D
http://www.amazon.com/This-Aint-Avat...4089829&sr=8-8
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1/3/11 at 1:47pm
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post


Unlike the PS3, most xbox360 games are in 1080p/60.

The Xbox is just scaling the game to 1080p after it is rendered in a lower res.
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post #2458 of 9660
1/3/11 at 1:48pm
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We saw Tron 3D (Real3D - passive glasses) in the local theater and found it very unimpressive (little story depth, little 3D depth, and non-vivid), so don't get too excited about this one. However, the Pirates of the Caribbean 3D did look WOW.

Always on the watch for new content. Check this out:
This Ain't Avatar XXX Parody 3D
http://www.amazon.com/This-Aint-Avat...4089829&sr=8-8

Disney so far seems to be doing a better job with 2D-to-3D conversions (i.e. Alice in Wonderland, very vibrant and almost looks native 3D) versus True S3D-R (Christmas Carol, which has a very dim image to many people). So I have high hopes for Lion King and Beauty and the Beast.

You are not the first one to claim that Tron 3D looked unimpressive. Two of my friends watched it and they told me, word for word, thw 3D quality looked like crap on the IMAX screen in comparison to what they had seen on my RS40 (Open Season, Under the Sea, and Avatar).
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1/3/11 at 1:49pm
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The Xbox is just scaling the game to 1080p after it is rendered in a lower res.

Yep, that seems to be the case, but for whatever it's worth, the games upconverted within the 360 look better than their PS3 equivelants. Which was the point I am trying to make, that it's important to be able to use the 1080P feature on the 360 because it does make a noticeable difference in most games.
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1/3/11 at 1:54pm
Here is more fuel for the discussion/debate on Resident Evil...............

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/4069...terlife3d.html

Maybe there are bad discs out there??? I just dont see how there could be such a wide range of debate from "BEST YET" to "WORST YET" which is basically what I have been reading not only from various users around the net (although most have loved it, some have had the same viewing experience as me), but now from 2 mainstream reviewers.........Martin over on bluray.com and Nate Boss at Highdefdigest..........difference of opinion is one thing, but we have 2 extreme sides with this title which just seems suspect to me.
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