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post #301 of 9972
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

And for some of the guys here with a screen under 100", i seriously recommend you size up! With projection it's all about the enveloping feel of a large 100"-150" 3D image, even the Sony 3D bluray intro, it looks infinitely mre believable with all of the outreaching 3D objects, versus the much smaller 55"-60" 3D TVs.

Are you buying us a bigger house?

I've already had to make a hole in my ceiling to fit my 88" diag screen, believe me, it's as big as it could be in my present house!
post #302 of 9972
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Originally Posted by JonStatt View Post

Ah! So maybe I should get hold of a 360 copy then. Are you saying its full 1080p even in 3D mode on the 360?

Seems to be according to info on the back of the case, only mention of 1080p (no mention of 720p) and if i remember correctly my Sony 55hx800 listed a 1080p signal when the 3D was on.

Someone mentioned something at sice by side nit being augo detected b py the RS40/50. This is the same case with the 3D Sony 55HX800 LED TV, guava to dig in the 3D menu to manually choose side by side once 3D mode is engaged. So this is a widespread issue, most 3D TVs and projectors can only auto detect frame packed 3D, but side by side has to be engaged manually. So no one should lose any sleep over that.
post #303 of 9972
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

This is all based on my early 3D experimentation from the wee hours of this morning and i wanted to mention this motion issue in Open Season (2nd or 3rd chapter when the Deer and Bear break into Th convenient store at night and start rummaging through the food and snacks) well there are like 2 or 3 Very quick camera panning where it goes to to bottom, bottom to top, left to right ..etc but really really fast. Well the RS40 seems to blur right through it with a weird motion, I really cannot describe it, you just have to see it for yourself. I played the same 3D footage via my Sony 55HX800 and an BDS570 and the quick panning motion issue is still there except the Ony handles it slightly better, where you can almost see what they are quickly annoying through, which the JVC almost feels like it blurs through the panning or almost feels like it skipped a couple of frames. But please know that It is by no means a show stopper, 99.9% of the movie looks magnificent, just a. Ouple. Quick panning scenes (which i think are source related and simply not 3D friendly) Maybe someone with a new 3D RS/X equipped showroom can take a 3D Open Season disc and try it.

Adam, don't you also have Open Season 3D?

Bottom line, the motions throughout the movie is phenomenal and i am still convinced that it blows away my 55" Sony LED 3D TV I'm every aspect of the 3D picture qualities. This is not only the new 3D projector to beat, at this incredibly cheap entry price, but i will take it any day over the best looking 3D plasma or LED.

And for some of the guys here with a screen under 100", i seriously recommend you size up! With projection it's all about the enveloping feel of a large 100"-150" 3D image, even the Sony 3D bluray intro, it looks infinitely mre believable with all of the outreaching 3D objects, versus the much smaller 55"-60" 3D TVs.

do you have gt5? I'm curious how well that looks
post #304 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Buttabean View Post

do you have gt5? I'm curious how well that looks

+1. Sam I don't remember if you said if you are a gamer or not, or if you have a PS3.
post #305 of 9972
I don't have Open Season but I saw the same thing in Avatar: The Last Airbender. I agree. It is very hard to explain but it is like some of the frames or missing or maybe its hard for your eyes to line up the 3D image when it is so large and panning too fast. I havent watched an entire movie yet but I will try to watch a few more sample movies tonight.

I do agree that it is way better than I thought it would be. I wasnt sure if I was going to order a bunch of glasses but after last night I ordered 7 more for a total of 8 and might get two more.
post #306 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Manni01 View Post

Are you buying us a bigger house?

I've already had to make a hole in my ceiling to fit my 88" diag screen, believe me, it's as big as it could be in my present house!

Haha no way dude, not after all the BS i had to go through to build this theater. My plan is to live in this home for a very very long time hopefully

I was only recommending the screen suoersizing for the people who have the room and money for it. I am just realizing how well a large screen will drive the 3D effect home versus a smaller screen or a 50" plasma.
post #307 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Buttabean View Post

do you have gt5? I'm curious how well that looks

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Originally Posted by Mikenificent1 View Post

+1. Sam I don't remember if you said if you are a gamer or not, or if you have a PS3.

I have a PS3 but no GT5, i used to be a heavy gamer until i finished my theater construction, i kind of lost my gaming edge but i am still a gamer at heart append i keep busy almost every day on blackops.

Is GT5 worth being for 3D? I heard somewhere that the 3D wasn't very good on the game


EDIT: I did answer one of the posts asking if i were a gamer, the answer was a resounding yes, lately mostly FPS (blackops and kinect)
post #308 of 9972
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

I have a PS3 but no GT5, i used to be a heavy gamer until i finished my theater construction, i kind of lost my gaming edge but i am still a gamer at heart append i keep busy almost every day on blackops.

Is GT5 worth being for 3D? I heard somewhere that the 3D wasn't very good on the game

Soo then how does Black Ops look???

I wish I could tell you how GT5 looks in 3D, but I don't have a 3D projector yet lol
post #309 of 9972
Now that a few people here started receiving their RS40, could one of you please give me the dimensions of the box?
It would help me see of many boxes I can fit in my car, as I need to bring back some for a few friends.

Cheers!
post #310 of 9972
Wondering how the 3D blur will look while gaming?

Would suck if things got blurry while trying to pan left or right quickly during Black ops or other fast paced motion games...
post #311 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Mikenificent1 View Post

Let's not be stupid or demeaning and ask me what the setting is for.

I think it was a fair question and very relevant to the discussion.
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Originally Posted by Mikenificent1 View Post

Everyone here knows it's to set black level. Do you think the black level on a 50" and a 200" would be the same?

The point at which the projector tries to put out no light as opposed to some light would not be different just because of screen size.

As far as whether the best Brightness setting would be the same between a 50" screen and a 200" screen, good chance they would be. If projectors all had the proper controls I would say that they should be with the same signal coming in, although in reality they may not be for multiple reasons even for the same signal (not enough controls in the projector, a person not wanting to spend the energy to use other controls instead of the Brightness control even though they might improve the images, etc.).
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Originally Posted by Mikenificent1 View Post

You think they would have the EXACT SAME brightness setting? I'm not talking 5 ticks difference, I never said what Sam did in regards to brightness was correct either. You don't think the black bar (not blacker than black) would disappear faster on a 200 inch screen when adjusting brightness than on a 50" screen??

We are talking digital here and the blacker than black bar is not the way I would set the Brightness setting. Yes, you can do it that way (and argue that some standards group or person in the industry said something and so that must be the right way to do it even if somebody understands enough about what is going on). If there are issues with shadow detail, the blacker than black bar, etc. I think they should be addressed by adjusting levels other than what 16 does. Level 16 should do the darkest that the digital projector can do in my view and then for level 17 the projector should be trying to put out a little bit of light. How much depends on multiple factors. The Brightness control will affect level 16, 17, 18, etc. and so can be used to move those where a person wants, but again I don't think it is the best way if 16 isn't going to result in the minimum amount of light. I think it is much better to have other controls (like gamma) for those things and start at the black pedestal that the projector is capable of, not brighter than that by turning the Brightness up or turning the Brightness down and crushing level 17 and others into that black pedestal in order to compensate for something else.

People could argue against this, but one thing I check for determining whether I have the Brightness control where I want it on a JVC is by putting up an all black image and comparing that to what I get with Hide enabled. If they are different when level 17 and 18 bars show up on a test image then I try to adjust things so that Hide and an all black image are the same while things just above level 16 look reasonable (not crushed or too bright).
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Originally Posted by Mikenificent1 View Post

There is no "more right", what Jon said is if one person had it at 0, then they should all be 0 and not be changed, which is not the case.

This is what you quoted from Jon:
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Originally Posted by JonStatt View Post

Like others have said I really don't recommend changing the brightness. Out of the box the brightness is spot-on. You will be crushing blacks. If you want to lower the brightness of the lighter sections, change the gamma to A(3D) instead of B(3D).

I still say he is more right in those sentences than you whether you think there is such a thing or not. We can agree to disagree on that minor quibble if you want.

As far as:
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Originally Posted by Mikenificent1 View Post

Some one who is running a 200" screen is not going to have the same brightness setting as if he had a 50" screen.

If you had said that they might have a different Brightness setting (like 1 click apart) that would be one thing, but the claim that they would not have the same brightness setting just because of screen size is just flat out wrong and one reason I asked if you know what the setting is for.
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Originally Posted by Mikenificent1 View Post

Do you guys think it would be the same brightness setting if you put a ND8 filter on the projector? honest question

If you used the black bar method then good chance it would change, but I would prefer to use the minimum light method and use other adjustments (like gamma) to get things looking right at the low end. It is possible that some of those other adjustments could interact and cause a different Brightness setting (although I'm not sure this is an issue with the JVCs), but the principle of having the projector setup to put out minimum light for an all black image and a little higher for an all video 17 image still applies.

And we of course have kind of gotten off on a tangent as the original point was that whoever named the Brightness control has confused a lot of people, it isn't really for controlling what people would normally consider how bright their images are, and that damnsam77 would be better of using other controls to accomplish what he wanted.
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Originally Posted by Manni01 View Post

Although I would agree with Darin and Jon in general, I would also say that this is only true if you are in HDMI Standard.

I completely agree. The same principle about using the Brightness setting to have the projector put out the minimum amount of light it can for black still applies, but to a different point with a different standard for where black is in a signal.

--Darin
post #312 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Steve Siener View Post

Sam,

Appreciate all your contributions. Any observations yet on the differences between the JVC and X103 glasses?

Yes the glasses, I meant to talk about them earlier so my apologies if i left many hanging considering that quiw a few are waiting to hear how the Xpands x103s fair against the nearly 35% more expensive JVC OEMs.

The short answer is that IF you do not own an polarizing screen, save your money and go with the Xpands. I have a low 1.18 gain low polarizing screen (if any polarizing) and both glasses look identical. Also tilting the orientation of both glasses to 90 degrees does NOT change the brightness or disengage 3D mode, where they would look inactive. I guess this means that my AT screen cannot polarize/retain light for crap. So i have absolutely motivation to buy the JVC ones. I will be curious ro try the Xpand's on TOE's higher gain and slightly more polarizing Stewart 130T and will compare it to is JVC glasses when he gets them.

Looking more into it, and obsessing at 5am wearing two glasses (one resting on forehead and the other in use) and i switched back and forth and back and forth for more than 2 hours which watching the very bright and some dark scenes in Open Season 3D, it almost feels like the JVC's are MAYBE just a tiny tad bit brighter, we're talking less than 5% brighter than the Xpands x103 at best. But then, as i mentioned in thpe mega RS thread, when i compared the Sony 3D glasses against the Xpand x103 glasses on the 55" 3D Sony i use in the living room, i said the Sony's were slightly brighter while the Xpands were showed a much more colorful and punchy more defined image even thigh slightly dimmer than the Sony glasses. Well the same applies here again wih the JVCs being slightly (very slightly) brighter but the Xpand glasses again showed more color punch and vibrancy. But after driving myself crazy at 6am switching back and forth, the verdict is that both look almost virtually the same with my preference being towards the Universal route Since i have multiple (two) 3D displays, the RS40 and the 55" Sony LED.

If you Think you have a polarizing screen and you don't mind having to buy different glasses for the JVC projector and other glasses for each of the 3D TVs you may own or may buy a flat panel 3D set for the family room, then by all means get the JVC's

But if you are like me and value convenience and don't wanna end up with two Sony glasses, 2 Panasonic glasses, 4 JVC glasses (you get my drift), then the Xpand x103 offer an amazing value for the low cost that AVS is selling them for ( Get it Mark or Jason about the current special). I will probably hit up AVS to order 4 pairs of the Xpands, even though they appear to be a tiny it dimmer, but overall picture i think the Cpands slightly edge out the JVC OEMs.
post #313 of 9972
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

This is all based on my early 3D experimentation from the wee hours of this morning and i wanted to mention this motion issue in Open Season (2nd or 3rd chapter when the Deer and Bear break into Th convenient store at night and start rummaging through the food and snacks) well there are like 2 or 3 Very quick camera panning where it goes to to bottom, bottom to top, left to right ..etc but really really fast. Well the RS40 seems to blur right through it with a weird motion, I really cannot describe it, you just have to see it for yourself. I played the same 3D footage via my Sony 55HX800 and an BDS570 and the quick panning motion issue is still there except the Ony handles it slightly better, where you can almost see what they are quickly annoying through, which the JVC almost feels like it blurs through the panning or almost feels like it skipped a couple of frames. But please know that It is by no means a show stopper, 99.9% of the movie looks magnificent, just a. Ouple. Quick panning scenes (which i think are source related and simply not 3D friendly) Maybe someone with a new 3D RS/X equipped showroom can take a 3D Open Season disc and try it.

Adam, don't you also have Open Season 3D?

Bottom line, the motions throughout the movie is phenomenal and i am still convinced that it blows away my 55" Sony LED 3D TV I'm every aspect of the 3D picture qualities. This is not only the new 3D projector to beat, at this incredibly cheap entry price, but i will take it any day over the best looking 3D plasma or LED.

And for some of the guys here with a screen under 100", i seriously recommend you size up! With projection it's all about the enveloping feel of a large 100"-150" 3D image, even the Sony 3D bluray intro, it looks infinitely mre believable with all of the outreaching 3D objects, versus the much smaller 55"-60" 3D TVs.

I've made similar observations about screen size over at 3D Central here on AVS. While I don't (mostly CAN'T) watch 2D movies very close in a traditional theater, I love to watch 3D movies as close as I can possibly sit. I don't experience the fatigue I typically do while watching 2D. I like to push the edges of the screen frame as far into my peripheral vision as I can, so that I become more immersed in the 3D world. I'm lucky, in that I never experience headaches or eye strain while watching 3D, as some people do. Bigger is better, and that's never been truer than it is with 3D. I know there are those who would disagree with that assessment, but for me it's a simple truth. That's always my problem while watching my 63" 3D plasma. I keep wanting to scoot closer. I did that I don't know how many times while watching Avatar. I think 3D even on a small screen is a whole different experience, but 3D on a really big screen increases my involvement that much more.
post #314 of 9972
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Originally Posted by tmarques View Post

Now that a few people here started receiving their RS40, could one of you please give me the dimensions of the box?
It would help me see of many boxes I can fit in my car, as I need to bring back some for a few friends.

Cheers!

The box is appoximately 23" x 23" x x15"
post #315 of 9972
Thread Starter 
I have gone as far back as page 5 to answer all the questions, if i missed any, please repost.


Also for the more seasoned AV experts, i know you have asked me to check for uniformity and convergence among other things. I will try my best to get back to those questions, and thanks for all the detailed explanations to help me figure it out.

At the same time, i am hoping other RS40/50 owners can assist withe all of this technical measurements in case I do not to it until much later on.

I am going to take a nap right now, and will fire up the RS40 in the next 2-3 hours. And i will be watching all kinds of 3D footage (not just Open Season )
post #316 of 9972
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

I got it for the 360 since it's in 1080p

It's not, though. It's rendered internally in 720p and upscaled to 1080p, so there's no actual difference whether your Xbox outputs 720p or 1080p. There are very few native 1080p games available for either console.
post #317 of 9972
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Originally Posted by adammb View Post

I don't have Open Season but I saw the same thing in Avatar: The Last Airbender. I agree. It is very hard to explain but it is like some of the frames or missing or maybe its hard for your eyes to line up the 3D image when it is so large and panning too fast. I havent watched an entire movie yet but I will try to watch a few more sample movies tonight.

I do agree that it is way better than I thought it would be. I wasnt sure if I was going to order a bunch of glasses but after last night I ordered 7 more for a total of 8 and might get two more.

It's called 3D Fever, and it's a debilitating disease. Give people a good 3D demo (Come on, man, the first one is free.) and they're hooked. Before you know it, they're selling their children for a fix.
post #318 of 9972
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Originally Posted by tmarques View Post

Now that a few people here started receiving their RS40, could one of you please give me the dimensions of the box?
It would help me see of many boxes I can fit in my car, as I need to bring back some for a few friends.

Cheers!

And exactly which route are you taking home? J/k multiples huh? Nice!

Looks like you got your answer (JVC should publish the box dimensions too, wnder why the don't)
post #319 of 9972
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Originally Posted by pteittinen View Post

It's not, though. It's rendered internally in 720p and upscaled to 1080p, so there's no actual difference whether your Xbox outputs 720p or 1080p. There are very few native 1080p games available for either console.

Petri, i believe you, but the 3D gameplay on the 360 version appeared much smoother with less noise than the PS3 on the same TV, same amazon highspeed cables.
post #320 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Mikenificent1 View Post

Soo then how does Black Ops look???

I wish I could tell you how GT5 looks in 3D, but I don't have a 3D projector yet lol

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Originally Posted by c5z06 View Post

Wondering how the 3D blur will look while gaming?

Would suck if things got blurry while trying to pan left or right quickly during Black ops or other fast paced motion games...

I know it looked amazing on my Sony HX800, hopefully the RS40 will be a serious contender, i will also play the game in 2D, after my much needed late afternoon nap
post #321 of 9972
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

And exactly which route are you taking home? J/k

Hahaha... you'd have to cross the Atlantic AND half our country to hijack him.
post #322 of 9972
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

Petri, i believe you, but the 3D gameplay on the 360 version appeared much smoother with less noise than the PS3 on the same TV, same amazon highspeed cables.

No doubt. I thought the PS3 version sucked in 3D. And the game was very likely created on the X360, with the PS3 version being a non-optimized conversion.
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

I will safely say that (lumens measuring or not) someone will have to be blind to think the 3D preset brightness without glasses isn't at least 50% more than 2D. JVC definitely unleashed the lumens flood gates in the 3D preset (Iris at fully open and lamp at high mode). There is no mistaking the instant brigthness boost in 3D without the glasses on,however with the glasses on i can almost see that 50% increase reduced by 50% or slightly more,but it soooo much better than what I had expected with all the doom and flood brigthness talk with the pre-pro units.

this is good news, I can clamp down on the iris with my HP screen and increase the on/off along the way. However, is it true that the 3D mode is locked to 8k color temp and 1.8 gamma? I would think these 2 things alone would go against the benefits that the JVC's have in 2D mode (adjustable color to D65, pushing the gamma, etc).

since I have an HP screen, I would gladly give up some lumens to get D65 color accuracy in 3D and also better gamma so that the 3D IQ can match the 2D quality.

I don't think these shifts in color or gamma would really be noticeable in the animations. Much more so in 'people' movies with lots of mixed contrast scenes like I mentioned before - Step Up 3D and Street Dance 3D. Both shot in 2010 with real 3D equipment, not conversions. I think these two movies are good torture tests for evaluating brightness, motion, ghosting, color, etc. I will be critical of the RS40 (or 50) when I receive mine with these particular movies.
post #324 of 9972
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

this is good news, I can clamp down on the iris with my HP screen and increase the on/off along the way. However, is it true that the 3D mode is locked to 8k color temp and 1.8 gamma? I would think these 2 things alone would go against the benefits that the JVC's have in 2D mode (adjustable color to D65, pushing the gamma, etc).

since I have an HP screen, I would gladly give up some lumens to get D65 color accuracy in 3D and also better gamma so that the 3D IQ can match the 2D quality.

I don't think these shifts in color or gamma would really be noticeable in the animations. Much more so in 'people' movies with lots of mixed contrast scenes like I mentioned before - Step Up 3D and Street Dance 3D. Both shot in 2010 with real 3D equipment, not conversions. I think these two movies are good torture tests for evaluating brightness, motion, ghosting, color, etc. I will be critical of the RS40 (or 50) when I receive mine with these particular movies.

I may be mistaken, but I think I recall Gary or Chris of JVC saying that the 3D settings are adjustable. Very cool for those with a few lumens to spare. Maybe when Sam gets a little rest he can check it out for us.
post #325 of 9972
damnsam77

Any chance your "blue rain" issue was caused by running through the Denon 4311 and not the cable itself, or by a longer HDMI cable run from your AV stack?

I have a 3311ci and a little concerned about sync compatibility and saw in many other threads where "blue rain" was more of a Denon problem than cable. I am currently testing a 30ft "1.4a" HDMI cable from my 3311 to a puny 50" Panny plasma without any issues. Hoping to upgrade soon to a X3 and 120" diag screen.

Years ago I had a bad experience with the Denon 3300 not passing 480P properly over component cables, so I wouldn't be all that surprised about the newer models sucking at 3D HDMI 1.4 passthrough too. Every device seems to have it's own sync possibilities with HDMI connectivity

---

PS: Lucky for you there are so many Dealers/Reps in Denver. I moved from S. Denver @ 6k ft a couple years ago, to N. Idaho @ 2400ft. Unfortunately I haven't located a good contact around here yet... gave up on Huppins/OneCall after they failed to provide any decent soundstage demo rooms for the Def Tech speakers I was shopping for.

Your bat cave photos are a real trip. My wife loves it.

PPS: Sales guys, feel free to PM me about RS40/X3 availability & pricing.
post #326 of 9972
Damnsam,
Hope you weren't dreaming about being in RS again.....

If you watch the same scene in both 2D and 3D does the black level change?
post #327 of 9972
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

this is good news, I can clamp down on the iris with my HP screen and increase the on/off along the way. However, is it true that the 3D mode is locked to 8k color temp and 1.8 gamma? I would think these 2 things alone would go against the benefits that the JVC's have in 2D mode (adjustable color to D65, pushing the gamma, etc).

since I have an HP screen, I would gladly give up some lumens to get D65 color accuracy in 3D and also better gamma so that the 3D IQ can match the 2D quality.

I don't think these shifts in color or gamma would really be noticeable in the animations. Much more so in 'people' movies with lots of mixed contrast scenes like I mentioned before - Step Up 3D and Street Dance 3D. Both shot in 2010 with real 3D equipment, not conversions. I think these two movies are good torture tests for evaluating brightness, motion, ghosting, color, etc. I will be critical of the RS40 (or 50) when I receive mine with these particular movies.

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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

I may be mistaken, but I think I recall Gary or Chris of JVC saying that the 3D settings are adjustable. Very cool for those with a few lumens to spare. Maybe when Sam gets a little rest he can check it out for us.

You can change the following settings within 3D mode:

- Color space (can cycle through all 3 modes)
- Color Temp (3D defaults at 8500k, but you can cycle through all from 5000k to 9500k if i am not mistaken)

- Gamma: (can only use A(3D) and B (3D). Attempting to cycle past B (3D) automatically shuts off the projector followed by a series of random flashing red/orange lights where the "warning" and "lamp" little LED lights are in the front, the remote and all projector buttons become unresponsive and i have to unplug the piwer cable and wait 10 seconds until thr flashing lights die out. This happened to me twice, i thought it was a fluke the first time, but it looks like you can move from A(3D) to B(3D), but you don't want to press the Gamma preset any further once you are in B (3D) mode. If you wanna go back to A (3D) you may have to go to the menu and select it from there.

- CMD modes appear nonfunctional or inactive in 3D mode as well.




Adam, Toe, Jon, and Aztec,

Can you confirm the same problem with the gamma switching in 3D (see above). Don't worry you won't fry your projector if it does shut off. Look at my notes.
post #328 of 9972
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

- Color space (can cycle through all 3 modes)
- Color Temp (3D defaults at 8500k, but you can cycle through all from 5000k to 9500k if i am not mistaken)

sam when you get a chance, can you change the color modes when you watch 3D content with people? Mainly curious of the effects of the color temp with face tones, etc. Does it change the lumen output, etc.

Why is the default to 8500k? what is the advantage?

As Joseph mentioned, if the lumens are decent, I would gladly give some up for more accurate color and a deeper gamma setting.

thanks!
post #329 of 9972
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

sam when you get a chance, can you change the color modes when you watch 3D content with people? Mainly curious of the effects of the color temp with face tones, etc. Does it change the lumen output, etc.

Why is the default to 8500k? what is the advantage?

As Joseph mentioned, if the lumens are decent, I would gladly give some up for more accurate color and a deeper gamma setting.

thanks!

Higher color temp and lower gamma yield a brighter image - key to making 3D viewable in different viewing environments and with different screens.
post #330 of 9972
Anyone who plans to integrate a HTPC into their theater needs to understand the difference between Video and PC HDMI signal levels (standard/enhanced, normal/expanded, studio/full RGB - whatever the software calls them). I have two HTPCs and two satellite receivers on a 4-port HDMI matrix switch, and the sources all need to put out the same type of signal or ugly things happen. Ugly as in brightness/contrast settings never match as you switch from one source to another - images look too dark or washed out. I don't want to drag out the black level issue again, since it was just put aside. This topic would be better discussed in a separate thread, but people need to be aware there are pitfalls. I've dealt with it for years, and it's caused me more than a few headaches. One of the things I liked about my Lumagen HDP was that it handled signal level differences elegantly.
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