Official JVC RS40/X3 Owners Thread - Page 101

Just received my RS40 today. Has anyone had syncing issues with an Integra 80.2? I didn't have any sync issues with my HD-1 at all. Furthermore, the RS40 locked up on me while in the setup menu and was completely unresponsive. Had to unplug it and wait for 10 minutes to get it to work again.

You don't have the standard menu on screen while trying do you? I think the regular menu must not be active..you may know this already, but short of powering down, unplugging for a few minutes, and trying again I'm not sure.

Ric. What makes you believe the angle of the polarization is softeware programmable? I believe commercial theater 3D projectors have a panel which electrically switches polarization by 90 degrees. I suppose it it is possible that the 104 glasses might have something like that but I would expect the costs would be prohibitive. A much cheaper solution would be two sets of clip on polarizers (one set is supplied with the Sony 3D glasses.

I'd like to know that too. There are a lot of settings you can change like dark and transition times, and maximize brightness or minimize ghosting, that can be set via PC or iPhone/Android, but polarization orientation does not look to be one of them.

http://www.engadget.com/photos/xpand...asses/#3742563

Make sure there is a signal being received by the projector. It can be cable, satellite, or any DVD/blu-ray..it doesn't matter.

Make sure that NO on screen display or menus are displayed by the JVC. The only thing on your display visible should be the signal you are playing through it.

Then at about 0.3s intervals, press Up, down, right, left and then the okay button in the middle of those arrow buttons.

Over in Korea, apparently Samsung is working with opticians to make "custom" 3D active shutter glasses with prescription lenses!!!

WOW!!

If only we could have that with JVC or with the XPand ones.

welcome to the club

I have the Onkyo PRSC5508 and do not have any issues. Do you have the current firmware in the prepro and the RS40? Just a thought.

at 2.3 x the price of the rs 40 it should be better in 2d But at 2.3 x the price in 3D IT DONT

I think the new Sharp 3D DLP projector is being dismissed here much too early. Just because it doesn't look sexy and may be based on an earlier much cheaper 2D Sharp projector doesn't mean there haven't been significant upgrades, including 3D. People here get hung up on the fact the RS-40 could be considered a 2D projector with free 3D, but so what if ghost free 3D is important to you. They look at the Sharp and argue that you're paying a ton for the 3D and you quite possibly are; however, if it's the best 3D for under $20,000 and you can buy it for, say $3,995.00, then what's the problem? There's a number of forum members who checked out 3D at CES and they claim the Sharp was best at show for 3D. Even better than the 3 times more expensive LG! The other argument is that it won't be very good for 2D. That has yet to be proven. From initial reports the LG is rather poor at 2D at a much higher cost so, IMO, that makes the Sharp a serious contender as a 2D/3D projector or as a 3D only projector in a dual projector set up. The bottom line is that you could have a ghost free 1080p wonderful 3D image from the Sharp and a great 2D image from the RS-40 for about the cost of the Sony and you are working with 2 lamps rather than one for more time between changing them out - oops, I forgot. No one here keeps a projector long enough to change a lamp anyway.

I'm confident it's the Integra and not the JVC. If I hook any of my components directly to the JVC, everything syncs perfectly. I'm probably going to have to try a factory reset on the pre/pro and see if that gets things working properly.

Thanks, Jon. I always had a signal going into the projector, but your ".3 seconds per button press" suggestion got me there. The timing must need to be very close to that, because I tried a lot of different variations before I got it - slower than that and faster. By the time I saw the menu, however, I was too tired to do anything with it. Hopefully, I'll be able to take some pictures later today.

Can someone PM me the price that AVS is selling the RS-40 for? I have contacted Jason a couple of times, but we seem to miss each others phone calls.

Thanks

Finally saw some ghosting on How To Train Your Dragon. It was in the sequence where Astrid is kidnapped by Toothless. The ghosting was on the cliffs/rocks protruding from the sea. Blink and it's gone effect. Like when you first wake up and you haven't quite focused right.

I guess if the Sharp has a flexible lens shift for use alongside the JVC, it might make for a good 2 projector set up.

Fwiw, I upgraded to the 60 for the better 3D (over the 40) and it is better but everyday I'm wowed and staying for its 2D picture.

I shouldn't tell this story, because you'll all think I'm completely nuts. (But who am I kidding? You probably know that already. )

Yesterday, it was killing me that I couldn't see 3D on the RS40. So, I ran a little experiment. I rearranged a couple of pieces of equipment and positioned three mirrors. (Actually, it was two mirrors and my shiny toaster. What the heck - I probably can't make myself sound any loonier.) Long story a little shorter, the result was that the Xpand 103 glasses I was wearing in my home theater were line of sight with the 3D emitter on my Samsung TV in a bedroom. The Samsung and the JVC were both switched to a 3D demo disc on my PS3, through an Octava HDMI 4x4 matrix switcher.

Now, I suspected I'd have sync timing issues, because of signal routing differences to the two displays. Sure enough, the clip of Avatar from the disc was out of sync - flipping like mad between left and right eye views. Unexpectedly, when the clips switched to some 720p/60 3D from the Olympics, the flickering stopped. I turned the glasses upside down on my head and the timing was close enough that I was able to see 3D with only very minor ghosting.

Score!

Of course, the first thing I did this morning was call my psychiatrist. He tells me that he won't institutionalize me again right away. However, he said I had to increase the dosage of my anti-psychotics and that he couldn't guarantee what might happen unless I got a 3D emitter in the next few days.

Pray for me.

Thank you,

omyyyy you are nuts. Just pray there were no witnesses. On the brite side you could make toast and watch the movie now. lol

Still single chip DLP though right? Ghosting or RBE........hmmmmm.......ghosting please!

Why would 3d be "better" with the 60 over the 40 or 50? Everything is the same except contrast level.

There was definitely some sporadic ghosting on HTTYD like most titles I have watched, but most of it is ghost free IMO, HTTYD is one of the top 2 or 3 for 3d overall at this point from what I have seen.........the transfer is a bit dark which might throw some off, but if you can get past that, it really is one of the most consistent 3d experiences yet out of what I have seen. SO GLAD I traded Resident Evil for this!

I agree with you on the 2d..........I am going through a lot of my favorite 2d transfers again and it feels like new life has been soaked into them. The switch to the HP has been more noticeable/dramatic for 2d than 3d which I was not expecting.

I believe that is the crux of the matter: by improving the contrast, the (perceived?) ghosting is lowered, providing a better overall image. And perhaps the improved contrast helps since the 3D image appears less bright - so the blacks look better, giving a stronger relative image.

Just a guess, though: IMHO/AFAIK, etc.

shinksma

Hey!!! Pop Tarts with Avatar. I'm keepin' it there.

Don't let your wife catch you popin those tarts.....
Oh and isn't Avatar the wrong movie for that?

Found this...http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post14215221

...We offer a service called Premium Service that does 2 things. First, we check over for common issues...such as convergence...before we ship it. Pending it checks out okay, we then calibrate it fully. I only mention this because whereever you go to get one, this is about the only way you'll know for sure there aren't any major problems.

I wonder if that "Premium Service" is still available, and at what point do they consider convergence a "major problem". Some of these convergence issues have me spooked.

How would improved contrast improve ghosting? I am betting the 60 ghosts just as much as the 40/50. I can see the improved contrast giving the 3d image better quality otherwise, but I dont see how ghosting would be any different (perceived or actual).

Is the yellow grid that shows up during focus/zoom/shift a way to gauge convergence? Seems like yellow is made up of parts of r/g/b so I would think it was. But something tells me I'm wrong.

thanks to Joe, I went pixel peeping after owning the RS40 for almost a month. I found some convergence issues with the RS40 that were not consistent across the screen. It wasn't anywhere near as bad as Joe's photo, but off enough to show fringing on text on the left hand side of the screen.

My local dealer had an RS50 in stock, so I asked him to send it over. I spent 5 hours last night comparing the RS40 and this RS50. Both these are batch 1 projectors, shipped from the same warehouse on the same date.

*Convergence on the RS50 is quite a bit better than the 40. The horizontal blue was off by nearly a whole pixel, but very consistent across the screen. An adjust to 2 put it nearly dead on. Red might be out by a 1/4 pixel or so, but not as objectionable as the RS40 was. Obviously this is complete LUCK to know if you'll get a copy that is decent or off a bit. This reminds me of high end camera lens. No 2 are the same. Many suffer with back focus issues, etc. you have to sample them to cherry pick a winner.

* Focus - Huge difference between these 2 different projectors. I tried my best on the 40 to get an even focus, but something wasn't right. If I focused in the center, both sides were off. But in opposite directions. So if I focuses the left side, the center was soft, the right side very soft & vice-versa. With the RS50, the focus is dead on across the screen. I was very happy to see this. There are obviously variances between the projectors. More pot luck comes into play here.

* 3D Gamma - YES!! I don't know exactly what's happening, but the Shadow detail in Gamma (A) on the RS50 is noticeably better than Gamma (A) on the RS40. The scene I like to check is Avatar when he gets lost in the woods (the evil night dogs scene). Gamma (A) combined with the Brightness/Darknesss Settings is exactly what I was looking for in the 40. These are direct, out of the box settings. I went back and forth 2 times to verify. This is just my subjective opinion of course, but I do have 2 low hour projectors side by side to make sure I am seeing this correctly.

* Sharpness - The RS50 is noticeably sharper, but this is likely because something was wrong with the lens in the RS40. This is especially noticeable in 3D mode, it feels like I could cut my finger on Gru's nose in Despicable Me.

* Ghosting - This has to be more sample variance, but the 'warm up' time is much less on this particular 50 than the 40. After a few hours of both projectors cooking, I tested 'Space Station 3D', the shuttle / ISS part where it's flying over the earth. Ghost city territory. This 50 is showing quite a bit less ghosting than the 40, but I cannot explain why this is happening between these two projectors, but this now leads me to believe there are some variances that can affect the level of ghosting.

I guess ignorance is bliss, I would have likely just kept the 40 and been happy with the results. By pure chance, this 50 is better in all items mentioned above, some very noticeable in direct A/B comparison.

I have the 40 for another day or so to do some more comparison. I have a ton of photos I took of all the convergence shots between the 40 and 50 on my Nikon D90 with a macro lens. once I get it sorted out, I will post so others can see the differences.

Am I still allowed to post in this thread?