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post #3091 of 9663
1/12/11 at 6:56pm
Here are Evan Powell's impressions of 3D at CES.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/1080p_3D_projectors.htm

He too picked the Sharp as best at show for 3D!

Over at Projector Reviews Art claims there will be a Panasonic 3D projector by September of this year.
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post #3092 of 9663
1/12/11 at 7:13pm
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Originally Posted by Deja Vu View Post

Here are Evan Powell's impressions of 3D at CES.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/1080p_3D_projectors.htm

He too picked the Sharp as best at show for 3D!

Over at Projector Reviews Art claims there will be a Panasonic 3D projector by September of this year.

Yeah, but he provided a caveat by saying he was viewing Despicable Me and the source material may have been influential in forming said opinion.
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post #3093 of 9663
1/12/11 at 7:19pm
Evan *IheartPanasonic* Powell?

OK I actually read this yesterday.. and what got me was this bit:

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And if you have seen Avatar in a 3D movie theater and anticipate getting the same experience at home, you may be disappointed. None of the home theater projectors we saw at CES were delivering 3D as cleanly as one experiences it in the commercial movie theater.

REALLY!?? No effing way. Everyone I have showed the RS40 to came away impressed.. by the color, by the contrast, and all said it was better than the experience in the cinemas here.

I had just watched Tron Legacy in the cinemas after getting my RS40 and I just kept griping about how washed out the picture was.
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post #3094 of 9663
1/12/11 at 9:05pm
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Originally Posted by Woof Woof View Post

Evan *IheartPanasonic* Powell?

OK I actually read this yesterday.. and what got me was this bit:



REALLY!?? No effing way. Everyone I have showed the RS40 to came away impressed.. by the color, by the contrast, and all said it was better than the experience in the cinemas here.

I had just watched Tron Legacy in the cinemas after getting my RS40 and I just kept griping about how washed out the picture was.

I had exactly the same reaction to that statement. Although I have yet to really experience 3D on this RS40, I will be shocked and disappointed if it isn't a lot better than what I've seen at commercial theaters. Jeez, even my crazy little experiment with mirrors and a toaster yielded results better than most of what I've seen in commercial theaters. The only thing that's come close to my 3D@home experiences so far (on the Samsung) was the Imax showing of Monsters vs Aliens. And even it was far from perfect, with issues I don't have at home.
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1/12/11 at 11:40pm
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I had exactly the same reaction to that statement. Although I have yet to really experience 3D on this RS40, I will be shocked and disappointed if it isn't a lot better than what I've seen at commercial theaters. Jeez, even my crazy little experiment with mirrors and a toaster yielded results better than most of what I've seen in commercial theaters. The only thing that's come close to my 3D@home experiences so far (on the Samsung) was the Imax showing of Monsters vs Aliens. And even it was far from perfect, with issues I don't have at home.

The ONLY thing better about my Avatar experience at IMAX was the size........that is it. In EVERY other way, my experience with this movie was better on the 40 in my HT. Same goes for Alice and HTTYD which are the only other 2 3d movies I have seen out.

Well, I do admit that I also missed the cell phones, old lady dying/coughing next to me, people eating/talking/kicking my seat, etc......it is hard to recreate this part of the IMAX unless the ex brings her 2 daughters over

As most of us know, seeing a projector at Cedia/CES and then at home in our nice HTs are 2 different experiences...........I am sure Evan will change his tune once he gets one of these in a more ideal setup situation, or maybe not...........but the real question is who cares what Evan thinksSomehow my opinion of what I have seen of home 3d on my 40 has not changed since reading his "impressions"

I would actualy be open to seeing the Sharp if it had lens shift.........very curious if the reports of not being able to see RBE in 3d are true with these DLP projectors. I am skeptical, but would like to see it with my own eyes.
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post #3096 of 9663
1/13/11 at 4:28am
Got my RS40 2 nights ago and I must say I'm rather disappointed on the performance over the RS20 , imo I think it's not even a step forward which is what I was afraid of. The noise is also part of the reason I didn't go for the RS50 or 60 which now I'm glad I did NOT. Its 2-D is the only thing I could check at the moment as I don't have the emitter or glasses yet.

I've been a supporter of JVC PJ's for a few years now but something here that doesn't look right to me, it may be the new wire grid or whatever but the picture lacks that smooth look I was accustom to. Also I believe the colors in any setting are over saturated and need a cms to be corrected. If you're used to the perfect colors of your previous RS20 then you're not going to be happy with this product if you don't have an external unit to adjust the colors imo and I tried playing with the unit now for the past 2 days but there is nothing I can do to it to make the colors satisfying to me, reminds me of the RS1 mind you not as bad but still over saturated.

I don't even care for 3-D but it's something my kids asked for so I thought this would fit the bill for the time being until 2nd generation rolls around so now my only other options is to (cant believe I'm about to say this) wait and see what DLP has to offer since I've seen the new Sony and don't like its 2-D performance either let alone its 3-D which is horrid imo.

The new Sharp is about to be released I will give it a shot I think but this JVC will most likely go up for sale.
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post #3097 of 9663
1/13/11 at 5:40am
Thanks Zombie10k....I looked back a few pages and found it as well. Knew I saw it somewhere just was not sure if it was this thread or the other one ;o)

I dunno but after letting my projector warm up a bit my convergence was pretty damn spot on except for the top left which the blue was off by 1/4 pixel if that. Coming from the barco this thing is a dream! Just wish there was some way to fix that corner like one could a crt w/ 20pt conversion or however many 'zones' the barco had. I could also be the fact that my cheap arse dalite pull down screen is wavy.

Also got the 103DTV 3-d working and it looks pretty damn good to my eyes. My wife came into the room and was floored on how bright the 2-d pix looked, then flipped on the 3-d and she just started laughing and said she couldn't believe this was in our house ;o). I still can't believe it either. So far only used the JVX glasses but will give the xpands a try tonight.

Guess the next thing to do is the software upgrade (my unit came out of the 2nd avs batch)...dunno what this fixes? Then start to look for others suggested settings and try them out. Maybe whoever started this thread can post some up on the first page so no diggin' will be needed? All I know it is going to be time for a new screen as the 97" wide just isn't cutting it anymore.

Thanks again to all,
V_1138
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post #3098 of 9663
1/13/11 at 6:19am
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Originally Posted by Chris Dallas View Post

Got my RS40 2 nights ago and I must say I'm rather disappointed on the performance over the RS20 , imo I think it's not even a step forward which is what I was afraid of. The noise is also part of the reason I didn't go for the RS50 or 60 which now I'm glad I did NOT. Its 2-D is the only thing I could check at the moment as I don't have the emitter or glasses yet.

I've been a supporter of JVC PJ's for a few years now but something here that doesn't look right to me, it may be the new wire grid or whatever but the picture lacks that smooth look I was accustom to. Also I believe the colors in any setting are over saturated and need a cms to be corrected. If you're used to the perfect colors of your previous RS20 then you're not going to be happy with this product if you don't have an external unit to adjust the colors imo and I tried playing with the unit now for the past 2 days but there is nothing I can do to it to make the colors satisfying to me, reminds me of the RS1 mind you not as bad but still over saturated.

I don't even care for 3-D but it's something my kids asked for so I thought this would fit the bill for the time being until 2nd generation rolls around so now my only other options is to (cant believe I'm about to say this) wait and see what DLP has to offer since I've seen the new Sony and don't like its 2-D performance either let alone its 3-D which is horrid imo.

The new Sharp is about to be released I will give it a shot I think but this JVC will most likely go up for sale.

Colors aside, is it your complaint that the picture is more digital and less analog looking? Many people prefer the extras sharpness a digital looking picture brings. I think I like the smooth looking analog picture better.
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post #3099 of 9663
1/13/11 at 6:24am
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Originally Posted by Chris Dallas View Post

Got my RS40 2 nights ago and I must say I'm rather disappointed on the performance over the RS20 , imo I think it's not even a step forward which is what I was afraid of. The noise is also part of the reason I didn't go for the RS50 or 60 which now I'm glad I did NOT. Its 2-D is the only thing I could check at the moment as I don't have the emitter or glasses yet.

That's unnerving to hear. Mine's out on delivery. I'm hoping I get a good unit.
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post #3100 of 9663
1/13/11 at 6:34am
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That's unnerving to hear. Mine's out on delivery. I'm hoping I get a good unit.

You will if you stay away from here.
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post #3101 of 9663
1/13/11 at 6:40am
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Originally Posted by Chris Dallas View Post

Got my RS40 2 nights ago and I must say I'm rather disappointed on the performance over the RS20 , imo I think it's not even a step forward which is what I was afraid of. The noise is also part of the reason I didn't go for the RS50 or 60 which now I'm glad I did NOT. Its 2-D is the only thing I could check at the moment as I don't have the emitter or glasses yet.

I've been a supporter of JVC PJ's for a few years now but something here that doesn't look right to me, it may be the new wire grid or whatever but the picture lacks that smooth look I was accustom to. Also I believe the colors in any setting are over saturated and need a cms to be corrected. If you're used to the perfect colors of your previous RS20 then you're not going to be happy with this product if you don't have an external unit to adjust the colors imo and I tried playing with the unit now for the past 2 days but there is nothing I can do to it to make the colors satisfying to me, reminds me of the RS1 mind you not as bad but still over saturated.

I don't even care for 3-D but it's something my kids asked for so I thought this would fit the bill for the time being until 2nd generation rolls around so now my only other options is to (cant believe I'm about to say this) wait and see what DLP has to offer since I've seen the new Sony and don't like its 2-D performance either let alone its 3-D which is horrid imo.

The new Sharp is about to be released I will give it a shot I think but this JVC will most likely go up for sale.

Chris, without seeing what you're seeing, it's hard to comment...but I can say (and have posted already) that my 50 looks better/more "natural" after 100+ hours of use than first out of the box. I still need to let it warm up a bit to get optimal color/minimal 3D ghosting, which I'm not thrilled about.

While I do have a CMS, my 50 is not yet calibrated, though I am using the THX mode which probably helps quite a bit.
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post #3102 of 9663
1/13/11 at 6:41am
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That's unnerving to hear. Mine's out on delivery. I'm hoping I get a good unit.

I am not all that surprised to be honest. An RS40 is the equivalent of an RS20 in some areas (contrast), and below the equivalent of an RS20 in terms of calibration capability etc. It has no specifications that exceed the RS20 except for brightness which is really there to support the 3D.

Of course we were all hoping for better ANSI contrast but measurements suggest so far that to either not be the case, or its minimal.

Personally I get a sharper image with my RS50 than my RS25, but that may just be a visual effect from the increased contrast.

Fortunately my main motivation for upgrading was 3D, so the improvements in 2D was a bonus.
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post #3103 of 9663
1/13/11 at 6:42am
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Chris, without seeing what you're seeing, it's hard to comment...but I can say (and have posted already) that my 50 looks better/more "natural" after 100+ hours of use than first out of the box. I still need to let it warm up a bit to get optimal color/minimal 3D ghosting, which I'm not thrilled about.

While I do have a CMS, my 50 is not yet calibrated, though I am using the THX mode which probably helps quite a bit.

Agreed. The noise I saw (although I didn't really notice it from seated) has greatly diminished over the first 100 hours. A smoother more natural picture remains
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post #3104 of 9663
1/13/11 at 6:43am
For anyone interested in a confirmed work around for DTV 3D I followed Darin's instructions and Viola!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post19819985

Chris D - What does your convergence pattern in the SM look like??

My RS50 is at almost 100hrs and as Greg (Thrang), also mentioned just keeps looking better and better!
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post #3105 of 9663
1/13/11 at 6:46am
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You will if you stay away from here.

Said perfectly...

Mine is here...
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post #3106 of 9663
1/13/11 at 6:59am
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Said perfectly...

Mine is here...

Cant wait to read your review of the rs40. Question, are JVC pj considered more digital looking than the new Sony 90es. Does the sony have the analog look?
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post #3107 of 9663
1/13/11 at 7:07am
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come over to the JVC / HTPC thread in my signature. you should be using the 263.14 drivers from gainward. I haven't tried the latest beta but heard they are working as well.

thanks Jason, you're always very helpful. I tried the drivers from Gainward and voila!

as a newb to calibrating and what not, I can't seem to decide what looks best on my HP screen. I tend to really like bright images so I am trying to make it look more like my Samsung LED tv quality on vivid setting...anybody have any suggestions for the settings they use? or should I have stuck with a DLP projector for more 'pop' in colors?

my current settings are:
started with cinema mode, then changed these to
8000k color temp
contrast at 10 (might have already been the preset)
sharpness at 20 (might have already been the preset)
gamma mode D
cmd mode 3
lens ap at 0
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post #3108 of 9663
1/13/11 at 7:20am
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Originally Posted by jae3cpamd View Post

Cant wait to read your review of the rs40. Question, are JVC pj considered more digital looking than the new Sony 90es. Does the sony have the analog look?

That has always been the case as far as I know. I didn't see my first JVC/Pioneer until the RS2. I will let you know soon on the RS40. I am sure others here already know that answer...
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post #3109 of 9663
1/13/11 at 7:23am
I will wait till the unit has at least 100 hours before deciding what to do with it but yes the look of digital is present now where it wasn't before and I prefer a smooth looking picture which is why I went from DLP to Lcos a while back.

Convergence is fine no complaints there but there's something in this look that takes me back to the DLP days which I don't prefer. I may just keep it & put it in my kids room and try the new Sharp soon, if I don't like that one I'll give it to my daughter and go back to an RS20 for now till the 4K X 2K pjs arrive.
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1/13/11 at 7:29am
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thanks Jason, you're always very helpful. I tried the drivers from Gainward and voila!

as a newb to calibrating and what not, I can't seem to decide what looks best on my HP screen. I tend to really like bright images so I am trying to make it look more like my Samsung LED tv quality on vivid setting...anybody have any suggestions for the settings they use? or should I have stuck with a DLP projector for more 'pop' in colors?

my current settings are:
started with cinema mode, then changed these to
8000k color temp
contrast at 10 (might have already been the preset)
sharpness at 20 (might have already been the preset)
gamma mode D
cmd mode 3
lens ap at 0

Are you trying to adjust in 2D or 3D? in 2D, you should leave the color temp at 6500k. 8500k or 9000k work well in 3D due to the shift in color from the glasses.

In 3D, I have turned up the contrast to 10 as well depending on the movie.

Vivid setting on the Samsung LED is what I would call 'Torch Mode' since the colors are so saturated. The closest you might come with the JVC is changing the through the color space from normal, to wide1, etc and see what appeal to you.
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1/13/11 at 8:16am
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Originally Posted by Chris Dallas View Post

Got my RS40 2 nights ago and I must say I'm rather disappointed on the performance over the RS20 , imo I think it's not even a step forward which is what I was afraid of. The noise is also part of the reason I didn't go for the RS50 or 60 which now I'm glad I did NOT. Its 2-D is the only thing I could check at the moment as I don't have the emitter or glasses yet.

I've been a supporter of JVC PJ's for a few years now but something here that doesn't look right to me, it may be the new wire grid or whatever but the picture lacks that smooth look I was accustom to. Also I believe the colors in any setting are over saturated and need a cms to be corrected. If you're used to the perfect colors of your previous RS20 then you're not going to be happy with this product if you don't have an external unit to adjust the colors imo and I tried playing with the unit now for the past 2 days but there is nothing I can do to it to make the colors satisfying to me, reminds me of the RS1 mind you not as bad but still over saturated.

I don't even care for 3-D but it's something my kids asked for so I thought this would fit the bill for the time being until 2nd generation rolls around so now my only other options is to (cant believe I'm about to say this) wait and see what DLP has to offer since I've seen the new Sony and don't like its 2-D performance either let alone its 3-D which is horrid imo.

The new Sharp is about to be released I will give it a shot I think but this JVC will most likely go up for sale.

Bummer Chris Sorry to hear that. The "Natural" (Rec709) color preset did not tame things enough for you? I would agree that both Wide 1 and Wide 2 are RS1 territory, but Natural is in a different league and looks very natural to my eyes. Having said that, I have never seen a fully calibrated CMS JVC which you have so I am sure you have a much different perspective than me.

If you dont like the picture now, I dont thing getting to 100hrs is going to change your mind much. I am coming up on 100hrs and would agree with the others that the picture has smoothed out slightly, but its not a huge difference by any means IMO.
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1/13/11 at 8:37am
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Originally Posted by Chris Dallas View Post

I will wait till the unit has at least 100 hours before deciding what to do with it but yes the look of digital is present now where it wasn't before and I prefer a smooth looking picture which is why I went from DLP to Lcos a while back.

Convergence is fine no complaints there but there's something in this look that takes me back to the DLP days which I don't prefer. I may just keep it & put it in my kids room and try the new Sharp soon, if I don't like that one I'll give it to my daughter and go back to an RS20 for now till the 4K X 2K pjs arrive.

??? you are not happy with the JVC for being to DLP-ish so you are going to try the Sharp---a DLP! good luck there.
Chris, everbody has different prefrences for their viewing. I came from a 1080p DLP to an RS1 and did prefer the "filmlike look) of the RS1 to the DLP, but there were some things about the dlp that I did miss. I will be setting up my Rs1 tonight, I wil see for myself, and hopefully I will be happy.
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1/13/11 at 8:42am
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Are you serious? What does it look like now?

It's not horrible, but neither is it great. I'll post more detail in the 50 thread.
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post #3114 of 9663
1/13/11 at 9:03am
anyone in Canada get an RS50 yet? I've had mine on order for over a month and JVC has been feeding my dealer BS for three weeks now!! First it was supposed to be just after christmas, then it was supposed to be in 100% first week of jan, and now my dealer is on vacation and won't be back until tuesday. Im really getting fed up with JVC, and sent my Dealer an email telling him to either give me a refund or I'll try another Sony VW90 and just stick with it for 2D. It doesn't help that many people comparing the VW90 vs RS50 seem to prefer the VW90 (2D only).

Now for the past 2 weeks I've been watching the Acer for 2D, as I sold my Epson, and I noticed that Im starting to get used to rainbows and not even really see them anymore unless I try. I don't do any real movie viewing on the Acer (as the black level are ****) but just Netflix, docs, nature stuff, and Im finding the DLP picture is really growing on me! Now Im thinking of just getting an Infocus 8600 instead!!
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1/13/11 at 9:04am
While I can understand it being difficult to align three one inch chips (or smaller, I think) to within a ten-thousandth of an inch, it's not like this is new technology either. This is the year 2011 last time I checked. They've been doing this a while. Invest in a better assembly process, or make it adjustable in the field if it can't be done perfectly at the factory.

I think they don't say what acceptable convergence is by intention. Most people don't look at grid patterns two inches from the screen as was mentioned. JVC probably figures this kind of thing is best handled on a case by case basis between the customer and the dealer. If you have a legitimate complaint, you'll probably be taken care of.

What do you think is considered acceptable for convergence? No more than 1/2 pixel off anywhere on the screen? 1/4?
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1/13/11 at 9:10am
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Originally Posted by Chris Dallas View Post

I will wait till the unit has at least 100 hours before deciding what to do with it but yes the look of digital is present now where it wasn't before and I prefer a smooth looking picture which is why I went from DLP to Lcos a while back.

Convergence is fine no complaints there but there's something in this look that takes me back to the DLP days which I don't prefer. I may just keep it & put it in my kids room and try the new Sharp soon, if I don't like that one I'll give it to my daughter and go back to an RS20 for now till the 4K X 2K pjs arrive.

Man, u are one picky SOB

Why did you not like the Sony? I owned it for a while and it had great 2D picture. Very, very smooth, noise free picture. I would say the Sony was very film like and yet also very sharp at the same time.

How wold the Sharp help you in any way? I'm guessing that it's for the Kids only, for watching 3D? If my RS50 situation doesn't work out I may be interested in buying your RS40, as I'm also near Toronto. (Mississauga)
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1/13/11 at 9:47am
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Originally Posted by Dan P. View Post

While I can understand it being difficult to align three one inch chips (or smaller, I think) to within a ten-thousandth of an inch, it's not like this is new technology either. This is the year 2011 last time I checked. They've been doing this a while. Invest in a better assembly process, or make it adjustable in the field if it can't be done perfectly at the factory.

I think they don't say what acceptable convergence is by intention. Most people don't look at grid patterns two inches from the screen as was mentioned. JVC probably figures this kind of thing is best handled on a case by case basis between the customer and the dealer. If you have a legitimate complaint, you'll probably be taken care of.

What do you think is considered acceptable for convergence? No more than 1/2 pixel off anywhere on the screen? 1/4?


I'm afraid that is unrealistic.

Within half a pixel in the centre, to "about" 1 pixel at the edges is more realistic and viable with JVCs current manufacturing accuracy.
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1/13/11 at 9:53am
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Originally Posted by Dan P. View Post

While I can understand it being difficult to align three one inch chips (or smaller, I think) to within a ten-thousandth of an inch, it's not like this is new technology either. This is the year 2011 last time I checked. They've been doing this a while. Invest in a better assembly process, or make it adjustable in the field if it can't be done perfectly at the factory.

I think they don't say what acceptable convergence is by intention. Most people don't look at grid patterns two inches from the screen as was mentioned. JVC probably figures this kind of thing is best handled on a case by case basis between the customer and the dealer. If you have a legitimate complaint, you'll probably be taken care of.

What do you think is considered acceptable for convergence? No more than 1/2 pixel off anywhere on the screen? 1/4?

Just out of curiosity does using the pixel adjustment feature have an unwanted side effects? I know there's the 1 pixel limitation per movement but let's say you were a pixel off horz would using it result in "perfect" alignment?
Thanks,
Frank
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1/13/11 at 9:59am
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Originally Posted by fmarasco View Post

Just out of curiosity does using the pixel adjustment feature have an unwanted side effects? I know there's the 1 pixel limitation per movement but let's say you were a pixel off horz would using it result in "perfect" alignment?
Thanks,
Frank

There is no side effect for 1 pixel shifts. Strictly speaking you lose 1 pixel of your 1080 high, or 1920 across. But you are never going to notice that.
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1/13/11 at 10:18am
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Originally Posted by krichter1 View Post

For anyone interested in a confirmed work around for DTV 3D I followed Darin's instructions and Viola!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post19819985

Chris D - What does your convergence pattern in the SM look like??

My RS50 is at almost 100hrs and as Greg (Thrang), also mentioned just keeps looking better and better!

sent you pm to call me when you get a moment on this fix.
Thanks, Ian B
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