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post #3511 of 9680
1/19/11 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by Ati007 View Post

Guys
The auto settings in the 3D format working for you?

assuming you mean leaving the 3D setting under the HDMI submenu to Auto, the answer is yes, for the most part.

The projector seems to auto detect both frame packed 3D blurays and 1080i SBS 3D feeds from DirecTV/Comcast without the need to switch modes from Auto to SBS or FP.

However, the problem arises when you're trying to play a SBS/1080P game on the Xbox360 such as BlackOps. You would need to go to that sub HDMI Menu and manually change the 3D setting from Auto to SBS. This is not a problem with PS3 games since they are FramePacked blu-ray versions such as Gran Turismo, and presumably BlackOps on the PS3.
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post #3512 of 9680
1/19/11 at 12:42pm
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post


no problem. The Nikon D90 should be able to capture at least the difference in color. My reds were low and had a green push as well.


Sounds good, thanks

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Originally Posted by kaotikr1 View Post

You guys in Denver? I have an eye-on and laptop. I am 3 hours away but I have nobody in Scottsbluff to share my passion of HT with. Accept of course Miss America since she is from here.

Grab yourself, Miss America and a few of her friends and come on down!

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Originally Posted by kaotikr1 View Post

The eye-one lt should be good enough. Once you understand how it works it shouldn't be long. Those of us with RS40's from what i understand will just be doing primaries since we don't have a full CMS. So it's set brightness/contrast. Run through the IRE adjust gains/cuts as needed and maybe take a stab at gamma?

Sounds great to me! Me and Sam will follow your lead. I am sure we will both do some reading up before hand with the link that Zombie provided so we are not totally in the dark though so you dont have to deal with complete rookies

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Originally Posted by kaotikr1 View Post

Yeah. I would come down to hang out and help. I go to Denver often so it's not a biggie. I am no pro but I have done a lot of reading and done the process on my 8500 a couple times to at least give us a good starting position.

Plus I get to see a couple rs40's before I try the calibration on mine. Learning best practices is worth the drive.

Sounds good. I am open all this week and will have a fair amount of free time the rest of this month and next, so you and Sam make the call as far as what day as I should be good/open. I am on a seasonal layoff right now, but will still be working here and there depending on the weather. Let me know when is good for both of you.
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post #3513 of 9680
1/19/11 at 12:47pm
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

Once you guys actually get the tools and start to work on calibrating your RS40 or X3 projectors, I suggest you put your results and discussions related to calibration on the new RS40 calibration thread.

Sorry, forgot about that. Want to keep it away from the 50/60 threads for sure with the special issues the limited CMS will have.
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post #3514 of 9680
1/19/11 at 2:24pm
RE: Harmony Remote Questions:

1. Learning Power On with "Raw Format"

Once I do this, can I add it to an activity to power the RS40 on?"

The remote is re-learning the standard Power On (Raw Format Option) which replaces the one in the database. Therefore, as long as your RS40 is in an activity (it should be in virtually all of them), the Power On works just like every other Power On for the other components.

2. Command Order - Under Settings for Activities, the last item is "Review the order in which devices are powered on"
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post #3515 of 9680
1/19/11 at 4:32pm
So I just heard from my installer that the wait on an RS40 would be "at least a month" but that he could get an X3, emitter, and 2 sets of JVC glasses "next week".

So what the heck, if all is equal, I'm going ahead and going with an X3.

I know many here will want to get one from AVS, and will therefore want to wait on RS40's, but if anyone's in a hurry as it seems a lot of you are (and ironically, I'm really not) and looking at other places to purchase, you might consider the X3.

S A M 33
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post #3516 of 9680
1/19/11 at 5:08pm
Well I have confirmed a bug for the RS40. I've been able to duplicate on two projectors so far. Essentially the projector will not use the User applied settings upon initial startup. So far this appears to affect the PJ if you already have a source running (I typically start up my equipment with the PJ coming on last). In order to get the PJ to use the intended settings it must either resynch the HDMI input (which happens several times if you're loading a BD disc) or you have to go into the settings for color temp (into the actual settings themselves, though you don't have to select anything, it switches automatically).

To test to see if your PJ is affected turn on any source, I recommend pausing on something that has a lot of white in the image as it is easier to see this way. With the source on and paused, turn off the PJ. When it has gone through its full power off cycle, turn it back on (don't do anything else). When the image returns look to see if it looks any different. Then navigate into the main menu and go to color temp. Hit enter to go to the adjustments and then hit enter again on Custom 1 and when you go into the custom menu you should see a chance in the image (assuming you had something different in there than the default, I haven't tried this with a factory unit with no changes to the settings at all).

If I don't have a source on when I start the PJ it seems to fix itself during the synchs before a source plays (don't you love how Blu-ray gains and loses synch several times when a disc is loading? Next generation at its best!!), so many may never see this. But it is still a bug worth addressing since depending on the order of power up for what you're watching it may have a direct affect on the image quality for quite sometime.
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post #3517 of 9680
1/19/11 at 5:38pm
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post
Joe,
I am assuming you simply plugged in the values below from the first page. His screen Size: 100" 16x9, but he is using an ST130 screen (1.3 gain), whic is dimmer than your HP 2.8 and his throw Ratio is 2.13. So his configuration is actually very close to mine since I am at a 2x throw ratio (at 16:9) and I am using a 1.1 gain screen.

What I don't understand is how he was able to save the altered settings under the Natural Present which cannot be written onto. Did Dennis mean that he initially used the Natural preset as a start and then made all the changes? But even then, the JVC menu or the remote would not let you overwrite the existing presets. You will have to use the User Presets 1, 2, and 3.

Here are DennisBP's setting, and they seem to be the most popular or agreed upon so far.


Color Mode: Natural

Contrast 1
Brightness 0
Color -9
Tint -2
Sharpness 0
Color Space Standard
Lens Aperature 0

Gain Red 0
Gain Green 0
Gain Blue -16
Offset Red -3
Offset Green -2
Offset Blue 0
I copied the settings, with the following differences:

My lens aperture is still at -15.
I'm using the Gamma A preset. I was getting some black crush with normal gamma.
I'm using Custom 1 for Color Temp. (Apparently, Custom 1-3 are shared globally - that is, if you change Custom 1 for one group of settings, it's applied across all modes that use it. In other words, there are no separate Custom 1 Color Temp settings for Normal, Vivid, Stage, and other picture modes. Change Custom 1 Color Temp for one mode and you change it for all modes.)
Detail Enhance I have at 0.
Sharpness I have at 15 for now.

The "Normal" preset does retain these settings when you exit the menu. It can be returned to factory default by choosing "Reset." User 1-3 can start at any of the usual settings (Normal, Film, Cinema, Stage, etc.) and be adjusted from there. Whenever you hit the preset buttons on the remote, the adjusted settings are brought up.

I appreciate that some people like different settings for different types of programming, but I prefer to get one accurate calibration dialed in and use it for everything, although I have a "football" User 1 setting that opens the lens aperture all the way.
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post #3518 of 9680
1/19/11 at 5:53pm
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post
Well I have confirmed a bug for the RS40. I've been able to duplicate on two projectors so far. Essentially the projector will not use the User applied settings upon initial startup. So far this appears to affect the PJ if you already have a source running (I typically start up my equipment with the PJ coming on last). In order to get the PJ to use the intended settings it must either resynch the HDMI input (which happens several times if you're loading a BD disc) or you have to go into the settings for color temp (into the actual settings themselves, though you don't have to select anything, it switches automatically).

To test to see if your PJ is affected turn on any source, I recommend pausing on something that has a lot of white in the image as it is easier to see this way. With the source on and paused, turn off the PJ. When it has gone through its full power off cycle, turn it back on (don't do anything else). When the image returns look to see if it looks any different. Then navigate into the main menu and go to color temp. Hit enter to go to the adjustments and then hit enter again on Custom 1 and when you go into the custom menu you should see a chance in the image (assuming you had something different in there than the default, I haven't tried this with a factory unit with no changes to the settings at all).

If I don't have a source on when I start the PJ it seems to fix itself during the synchs before a source plays (don't you love how Blu-ray gains and loses synch several times when a disc is loading? Next generation at its best!!), so many may never see this. But it is still a bug worth addressing since depending on the order of power up for what you're watching it may have a direct affect on the image quality for quite sometime.
Kris,

Are you saying this happens just with the user applied color temp settings or with all user applied picture settings (contrast, brightness, color, tint, etc.)?

I doubt this will ever affect me. I have my gear on a Harmony remote, and every time the projector shuts down, a Yamaha A3000 shuts off, too. I'm assuming that would force an HDMI re-sync.
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post #3519 of 9680
1/19/11 at 6:28pm
I want to thank lovingdvd for asking me to take a full white screen to check for potential uniformity problems. It pointed out that my HP needs a thorough cleaning. Today, per DaLite's recommendations, I picked up some denatured alcohol and microfiber sponges at Lowes' paint department. While I'm waiting for my 3D emitter tomorrow, I'll clean the HP. They say to make gentle strokes in one non-circular direction.
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post #3520 of 9680
1/19/11 at 6:35pm
Would the RS40 be able to project on a 110" 16:9 screen with throwing distance of 3.3m.? and seating distance of about 3.3-3.4m. is too close?
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post #3521 of 9680
1/19/11 at 7:03pm
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Originally Posted by S A M 33 View Post

So I just heard from my installer that the wait on an RS40 would be "at least a month" but that he could get an X3, emitter, and 2 sets of JVC glasses "next week".

So what the heck, if all is equal, I'm going ahead and going with an X3.

I know many here will want to get one from AVS, and will therefore want to wait on RS40's, but if anyone's in a hurry as it seems a lot of you are (and ironically, I'm really not) and looking at other places to purchase, you might consider the X3.

S A M 33

My local dealer in Austin Texas has the X3 in stock and came real close to the AVS price and have been in awe for the last 2 weeks. The xpand glasses work great with the pj and my screeN. Watching Dark Knight now and the blacks are superb to my RS1. 3d also has been a beauty but Directv in 3d has been hit or miss on both 103 & 106 for sports. There is a college football game now but keep getting the 720 can not support your tv error message and can not view the game. Tried the fix in the thread but is not working for me. Ugh!!!

Ian B
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post #3522 of 9680
1/19/11 at 7:51pm
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

Kris,

Are you saying this happens just with the user applied color temp settings or with all user applied picture settings (contrast, brightness, color, tint, etc.)?

I doubt this will ever affect me. I have my gear on a Harmony remote, and every time the projector shuts down, a Yamaha A3000 shuts off, too. I'm assuming that would force an HDMI re-sync.

Seems to only affect the color temp that I can tell. The resynch would have to be after the projector starts up after an image of some sort has come on the screen (aside from the splash screen). Most Blu-ray titles cause several resynchs because of the change in resolution during the warning screens, trailers, etc, but cable may not.
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post #3523 of 9680
1/19/11 at 7:55pm
Anyone else have impressions of using the RS40 for gaming in regards to ghosting?
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post #3524 of 9680
1/19/11 at 8:23pm
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

Seems to only affect the color temp that I can tell. The resynch would have to be after the projector starts up after an image of some sort has come on the screen (aside from the splash screen). Most Blu-ray titles cause several resynchs because of the change in resolution during the warning screens, trailers, etc, but cable may not.

Well, that could affect me a lot more often. I'm compiling a list of RS40-related issues/info, and this will definitely be included. Thanks, Kris.
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post #3525 of 9680
1/19/11 at 8:37pm
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Originally Posted by darinp2 View Post

In case it helps anybody, I'm watching the BCS National Championship game from ESPN3D on DIRECTV to my RS40 in 3D right now using the method I described here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post19746733

It took a few times and at one point I didn't think I was going to get it working, but I eventually did.

--Darin

Ok the workaround sort of works but what a pain in the a$&. I switched to hdmi 2 directly from box to pj. Still got the 720 error message, rebooted the box and still nothing in the hdmi line 2 to pj. I changed channel, went back to hdmi 1 going from box to receiver 1.4 to pj and voila, got a picture. There is only 5 mins left of this game and will watch since I spent time trying to view channel. The pj hdmi 1 says 1080i60sbs.

Ian B
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post #3526 of 9680
1/19/11 at 9:38pm
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

Well I have confirmed a bug for the RS40. I've been able to duplicate on two projectors so far. Essentially the projector will not use the User applied settings upon initial startup. So far this appears to affect the PJ if you already have a source running (I typically start up my equipment with the PJ coming on last). In order to get the PJ to use the intended settings it must either resynch the HDMI input (which happens several times if you're loading a BD disc) or you have to go into the settings for color temp (into the actual settings themselves, though you don't have to select anything, it switches automatically).

To test to see if your PJ is affected turn on any source, I recommend pausing on something that has a lot of white in the image as it is easier to see this way. With the source on and paused, turn off the PJ. When it has gone through its full power off cycle, turn it back on (don't do anything else). When the image returns look to see if it looks any different. Then navigate into the main menu and go to color temp. Hit enter to go to the adjustments and then hit enter again on Custom 1 and when you go into the custom menu you should see a chance in the image (assuming you had something different in there than the default, I haven't tried this with a factory unit with no changes to the settings at all).

If I don't have a source on when I start the PJ it seems to fix itself during the synchs before a source plays (don't you love how Blu-ray gains and loses synch several times when a disc is loading? Next generation at its best!!), so many may never see this. But it is still a bug worth addressing since depending on the order of power up for what you're watching it may have a direct affect on the image quality for quite sometime.

For the record, Kris brought this to my attention today and we confirmed it exists on my RS40 as well. While I don't consider it a deal killer by any means, it needs to be addresses via a firmware update.
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post #3527 of 9680
1/19/11 at 10:37pm
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Originally Posted by krichter1 View Post

Well... there he is! what's up bud-dee!?

I hear what you're saying (and a lot of others too on the dumpster thread), but Steve it's not really DirecTV except for the ESPN TaB issue which they're next! It also has to do with an EDID issue with JVC not submitting to DTV. The responsibility falls squarely on JVC to work with the content providers like DTV to share this data about their products like many other major CEM's do today.

That and the lack of communication as Gotcha stated in the original thread is unacceptable. They've all been back from CES for over a week and still nothing except for a call about my three week old ticket where I finally get a big FU from JVC USA stating they'll only be supporting HDMI 1.4 formats. Again unacceptable in my opinion, (but then who am I but a paying customer of JVC's).

Back at you buddy!!!

I've been swamped between work/commute, football (Steelers fan), and other stuff, that my spare time has gone to enjoying movies right now. Not much time to hang out on AVS since the long wait is over.

I try to follow a little bit at work when I can, but these threads just keep going and going and going... I haven't even made the time to program my Harmony with the RS40 power setting or add the Lumagen XS in either. I've barely scratch the surface for tweaking the Lumagen, never mind doing a full calibration on the JVC and then further using the Lumagen's CMS. Sad, but time is money. I owe, I owe, it's off to work I go. Gotta pay for these toys, but one day I'll retire and catch up. Yeah, right...

As for your DTV issue, I guess you have a right to bitch at JVC for refusing to help, but the real problem sounds like a DTV issue. I'd focus on them because you know you're not going to be happy with the Sony for 3D. Still a man's got to do what a man's got to do...

I'll trade you my RS40 and a RadianceMini 3D (I'll pay AVS to ship it to you) for your RS50. It'll solve your DTV issue and still have a (better?) CMS with great additional Lumagen VP function that will improve some DTV signals, DVDs, etc.

Seriously, you should still consider one before the sale is over. You'll save money when you upgrade PJs down the road since you can buy the cheaper JVC without an internal CMS.
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post #3528 of 9680
1/19/11 at 11:36pm
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Originally Posted by Dave Vaughn View Post

For the record, Kris brought this to my attention today and we confirmed it exists on my RS40 as well. While I don't consider it a deal killer by any means, it needs to be addresses via a firmware update.

Has this been reported to Gary B or Chris from JVC? If not please do!
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post #3529 of 9680
1/20/11 at 5:23am
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Originally Posted by knot_m3 View Post

Would the RS40 be able to project on a 110" 16:9 screen with throwing distance of 3.3m.? and seating distance of about 3.3-3.4m. is too close?

The Owner's Manual recommends a throw distance of 3.3 to 6.7 meters for a 110" screen. 3.3 m (11 feet) is the same distance that I sit from my 110" diag screen. It's not too close.
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post #3530 of 9680
1/20/11 at 6:46am
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Originally Posted by nightfly85 View Post

Has this been reported to Gary B or Chris from JVC? If not please do!

Kris is handling that since he found the issue...I just helped him confirm that it was common in two projectors and wasn't limited to his.
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post #3531 of 9680
1/20/11 at 7:40am
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Originally Posted by DennisBP View Post

RE: Harmony Remote Questions:

1. Learning Power On with "Raw Format"

Once I do this, can I add it to an activity to power the RS40 on?"

The remote is re-learning the standard Power On (Raw Format Option) which replaces the one in the database. Therefore, as long as your RS40 is in an activity (it should be in virtually all of them), the Power On works just like every other Power On for the other components.

2. Command Order - Under Settings for Activities, the last item is "Review the order in which devices are powered on"

A little more info to consider: Once you learn the power on (or power off) in Raw formati, if you created a new command instead to just updating the exiting power on and off commands with the new Raw learned codes, just be certain while still programming the "device" go to the settings for power commands and make certain the new learned commands listed there for power on and power off are for the ones that you have just learned in Raw mode. Also you can set power on and off commands to be transmitted more than once, and I found that sending the power on command 2 times and the power off command 4 times (two times actually required to be received by the projector to turn it off) is more reliable with my RS40. Once you set these under the "device" settings for the RS40 then it is automatically picked up using your learned commands any time the activity requires the projector to be turned on (or off).
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post #3532 of 9680
1/20/11 at 8:02am
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Originally Posted by Mr Ian B View Post

Ok the workaround sort of works but what a pain in the a$&. I switched to hdmi 2 directly from box to pj. Still got the 720 error message, rebooted the box and still nothing in the hdmi line 2 to pj. I changed channel, went back to hdmi 1 going from box to receiver 1.4 to pj and voila, got a picture. There is only 5 mins left of this game and will watch since I spent time trying to view channel. The pj hdmi 1 says 1080i60sbs.

Ian B

This whole workaround for the 720p s-b-s incompatibility issue with Directv seems to cause the Directv STB (HD-DVR) to go into a mode where it scales the 720p s-b-s up to 1080i s-b-s. Thus it appears the Directv STB (or at least certain models) is actually capable of doing this even though it is not officially supported. Assuming that is correct then we really need to convince Directv to update their STB firmware to directly support this upscaling for 720p 3D broadcasts, just as their STBs can do for regular 2D 720p broadcasts.

Please post your support for Directv to enable 720p to 1080i upscaling for 3D programs on THIS THREAD on DBSTALK. Also perhaps calls and email sent directly to Directv customer service may also help.
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post #3533 of 9680
1/20/11 at 8:26am
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

Well I have confirmed a bug for the RS40. I've been able to duplicate on two projectors so far. Essentially the projector will not use the User applied settings upon initial startup. So far this appears to affect the PJ if you already have a source running (I typically start up my equipment with the PJ coming on last). In order to get the PJ to use the intended settings it must either resynch the HDMI input (which happens several times if you're loading a BD disc) or you have to go into the settings for color temp (into the actual settings themselves, though you don't have to select anything, it switches automatically).

To test to see if your PJ is affected turn on any source, I recommend pausing on something that has a lot of white in the image as it is easier to see this way. With the source on and paused, turn off the PJ. When it has gone through its full power off cycle, turn it back on (don't do anything else). When the image returns look to see if it looks any different. Then navigate into the main menu and go to color temp. Hit enter to go to the adjustments and then hit enter again on Custom 1 and when you go into the custom menu you should see a chance in the image (assuming you had something different in there than the default, I haven't tried this with a factory unit with no changes to the settings at all).

If I don't have a source on when I start the PJ it seems to fix itself during the synchs before a source plays (don't you love how Blu-ray gains and loses synch several times when a disc is loading? Next generation at its best!!), so many may never see this. But it is still a bug worth addressing since depending on the order of power up for what you're watching it may have a direct affect on the image quality for quite sometime.

Thanks Kris, I added this to the list of unresolved bugs on the first page. Has anyone PMed Chris or Gary about this?

EDIT: Sounds like Kris is on top of it, with JVC
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post #3534 of 9680
1/20/11 at 8:32am
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Originally Posted by Mr Ian B View Post

Ok the workaround sort of works but what a pain in the a$&. I switched to hdmi 2 directly from box to pj. Still got the 720 error message, rebooted the box and still nothing in the hdmi line 2 to pj. I changed channel, went back to hdmi 1 going from box to receiver 1.4 to pj and voila, got a picture. There is only 5 mins left of this game and will watch since I spent time trying to view channel. The pj hdmi 1 says 1080i60sbs.

Ian B

How did you get audio if you are connected directly from DirecTV to the Projector via HDMI? Did you use an optical cable to the AVR?
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post #3535 of 9680
1/20/11 at 8:55am
This is definitely off topic, but...

Buy.com has the Energy RC-70 speaker for $380 (free shipping). The RC line is being closed out, but it's an outrageous deal for a high quality 3-way speaker, ordinarily about $1,200. I have RC-70 towers in my main home theater and I love them. Dollar for dollar, it's an even better bargain than the RS40, and they make great mains for a home theater system.

Mod, please delete this post if I've stepped over the line here.
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post #3536 of 9680
1/20/11 at 10:53am
Hi guys I have been following this thread and information has been valuable. I recieved my rs 40 3 days ago is connected to oppo 93 and projecting on a DIY 148 Goo systems screen. the screed has a gain of 1.8. and retains a little abit of polarity I would say around 10%. My first impression playing dispicable me in 3 D has been awesome. I use xpand 103 and becuse of polarity I loose around 10% brightness but in my light controlled HT it looked great. I am not too happy with 2 D performence as I have not done any changes to the default settings as yet. I would try some of the settings posted here. I have ordered the Xrite display lt and would try calibration next week.
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post #3537 of 9680
1/20/11 at 11:00am
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I really am trying to avoid buying any additional X103 or JVC glasses, I only have 4, my theater seats 8, but I am trying to ramp up to 6 glasses for now. I called Xpand and spoke with the person who picked up the phone and she said they no information about when they will be released.

Did anyone at CES get any soft dates or approximate pricing? I am more concerned with the info regarding a release date window. I need to know they will release in 6 weeks or 6 months. Which will decide what I will do about getting two more pairs of glasses.
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post #3538 of 9680
1/20/11 at 11:23am
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

I really am trying to avoid buying any additional X103 or JVC glasses, I only have 4, my theater seats 8, but I am trying to ramp up to 6 glasses for now. I called Xpand and spoke with the person who picked up the phone and she said they no information about when they will be released.

Did anyone at CES get any soft dates or approximate pricing? I am more concerned with the info regarding a release date window. I need to know they will release in 6 weeks or 6 months. Which will decide what I will do about getting two more pairs of glasses.

I know lovingdvd mentioned April, but not sure where he got this info........maybe he could comment on this. I am looking forward to trying these out. I would love to get on a beta test list if they even do such a thing
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post #3539 of 9680
1/20/11 at 12:42pm
Any more reviews coming out?
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post #3540 of 9680
1/20/11 at 3:08pm
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post
I know lovingdvd mentioned April, but not sure where he got this info........maybe he could comment on this. I am looking forward to trying these out. I would love to get on a beta test list if they even do such a thing
I can wait 2-3 more months, but anything longer, I will just have to bite the bullit and get a couple more JVCs.
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