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post #3751 of 9663
1/27/11 at 9:12am
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Originally Posted by JonStatt View Post

I have already seen it...mentioned it a few posts up. The 3D was very average. No real exploitation of 3D for maximum horror effect and I really can't understand why anyone would give this a good review, let alone reference status?!

Jon,
Are you refering to the theater run (re SAW 3D) or did you actually see the retail BD3D verion for yourself on the RS40?
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post #3752 of 9663
1/27/11 at 9:15am
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

No and No. Toslink does not support HD audio (on any device). For Panasonic only their 300 series (i.e., 300, 350 or the upcoming 310) of Blu-ray 3D players have a second HDMI output (that can be connected to AVRs that only have HDMI 1.3 inputs). If you have an AVR that does have 1.4a inputs then any Blu-ray 3D player, such as you your BT100, is all you need since you can simply connect the HDMI from the Blu-ray player to the AVR and then HDMI from the AVR to the RS40s. The only practical alternatives to accommodate use of older AVRs, with HDMI 1.3 inputs, is to either accept you won't be getting HD audio when playing 3D discs (i.e., using a Toslink connector) or to buy one of the Panasonic or Oppo Blu-ray 3D players that has a 2nd HDMI output specially to support using such an AVR.

Thanks, guess ill sell the cheaper Panasonic and buys better model with dual HDMI.
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post #3753 of 9663
1/27/11 at 9:41am
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They are on the first page, part of the permanent config and bugs posts.

As always, please PM me if I need to post something new on the first page. I have been quite busy at work and home, which is why you haven't seen me posting regularly the past few weeks.

But I will check my PMs at least 2-3 times per week, so PM me any new bugs, FW updates, settings, calibrations, workarounds, or better yet, post them first, and send me the links.


ALSO! Do we need to start a Firmware update Wishlist? If so, let's compile the top 10 issues or bugs, and I will post it under the FW post on the first page.
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post #3754 of 9663
1/27/11 at 10:18am
FW Wish List:

- Fix for HDMI bug that doesn't lock on settings with initial power up
- Fix for video noise in gray/color fields/windows
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post #3755 of 9663
1/27/11 at 10:21am
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

FW Wish List:

- Fix for video noise in gray/color fields/windows

I won't be holding my breath for this to happen as I doubt it's fixable in FW.
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post #3756 of 9663
1/27/11 at 11:01am
If it truly is an issue with the new LCOS panels used by the PJs, that means the panels have taken a step backwards in quality. This wasn't something that has been seen in ANY of the models before it. I can't imagine that the engineers can't figure out something to alleviate the issue.
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post #3757 of 9663
1/27/11 at 12:22pm
X3 review up on AV Guide/The Perfect Vision (HERE). Not a very detailed review with much less info than what some reviewers in this thread have already posted.
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post #3758 of 9663
1/27/11 at 12:51pm
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

Jon,
Are you refering to the theater run (re SAW 3D) or did you actually see the retail BD3D verion for yourself on the RS40?

The retail BD3D. As I am in the UK, when importing a US title, the sellers get them about 2 weeks or even more before actual release and they don't observe the release date.
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post #3759 of 9663
1/27/11 at 12:55pm
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Originally Posted by coolplazma View Post

While Cine4home's measurements may be relative to his other prior measurements, that does not in itself validate his is a gold standard worldwide.

Personally I don't have much background in this area, which is why I thought having Tom Huffman (of Chromapure - http://www.chromapure.com/) take a run through my RS40. If he says the US model does a calibrated 650 lumens on High, then I tend to believe him. Then, JonStatt's measurement was the same...

Do EU models measure at a higher output due to the 220 voltage and different power supplies over there? That would be interesting.


All models output the same. But my 650 lumens is on an X7 with THX preset at short throw, or just a little away from short throw. It is actually about 600 lumens calibrated.

Tom's calibrated 650 was mid throw. However, I already lost 10-15% on the bulb in the first 100 hours. Tom was measuring new.

So there are too many factors here for a fair comparison.

I am in the UK and the EU models produce exactly the same output. Internally that voltage is converted down anyway, to the same output regardless of country. In fact a US version will work fine in the UK as its a switch mode power supply.
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post #3760 of 9663
1/27/11 at 1:03pm
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

If it truly is an issue with the new LCOS panels used by the PJs, that means the panels have taken a step backwards in quality. This wasn't something that has been seen in ANY of the models before it. I can't imagine that the engineers can't figure out something to alleviate the issue.

Or, perhaps, this is a tradeoff of reducing/eliminating motion issues (ie, zebra stripes, etc). I suspect they made changes to the PWM stream (to fix motion issues) and I further suspect that's what causing the increased noise. Cine4home and others noted the noise on early preproduction samples so if the noise was fixable in FW I would have thought they'd have it fixed by now. Of course this is only speculation and I would welcome a "fix" if it doesn't degrade something else but in my case it's only noticeable if I'm standing much closer to the screen than my seats.
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post #3761 of 9663
1/27/11 at 1:51pm
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post


No and No. Toslink does not support HD audio (on any device). For Panasonic only their 300 series (i.e., 300, 350 or the upcoming 310) of Blu-ray 3D players have a second HDMI output (that can be connected to AVRs that only have HDMI 1.3 inputs). If you have an AVR that does have 1.4a inputs then any Blu-ray 3D player, such as you your BT100, is all you need since you can simply connect the HDMI from the Blu-ray player to the AVR and then HDMI from the AVR to the RS40s. The only practical alternatives to accommodate use of older AVRs, with HDMI 1.3 inputs, is to either accept you won't be getting HD audio when playing 3D discs (i.e., using a Toslink connector) or to buy one of the Panasonic or Oppo Blu-ray 3D players that has a 2nd HDMI output specially to support using such an AVR.

I would have thought a hdmi splitter would allow him to run 1 to avr and 1 to projector then he could have 3d and hd sound
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post #3762 of 9663
1/27/11 at 1:55pm
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Originally Posted by matthewa View Post

I would have thought a hdmi splitter would allow him to run 1 to avr and 1 to projector then he could have 3d and hd sound

quite true, however, the ps3 doesnt have the capability to process the HD sound AND 3d video at the same time if im not mistaken (Not enough in the hardware which is 1.3) Otherwise, a splitter should do the trick
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post #3763 of 9663
1/27/11 at 2:02pm
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

FW Wish List:

- Fix for HDMI bug that doesn't lock on settings with initial power up
- Fix for video noise in gray/color fields/windows

Also, get it to handshake with an Integra 80.2/Onkyo 5508 with the pre/pro's video processing turned on. Granted, this may be an Onkyo/Integra issue, but they need to work together to fix it.
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post #3764 of 9663
1/27/11 at 2:05pm
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

FW Wish List:

- Fix for HDMI bug that doesn't lock on settings with initial power up
- Fix for video noise in gray/color fields/windows

Yep, would be nice.

Did some folks say they cannot see the digital noise at their seating location and/or that the noise went away after so many hours? Not sure what vision the person had who said they couldn't see the digital noise at their seating location. Also not sure how many people would agree.

Seems like there is some delay in getting the remaining projectors to the market. Hopefully it has something to do with addresses some of these problems.
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post #3765 of 9663
1/27/11 at 2:11pm
Comming from a quite bright HD350 (compared to 3 other units) i installed my X3 last week.

Compared to the HD350 i lost 1,5ftL in normal lamp mode with the X3. After tweaking the settings in the service menu in high lamp mode the difference was around 0,8 ftL.

I calculated roughly 780 lumens with 6500K in high lamp mode.

I also measured another X3 which was at 905 lumens calibrated. So there is a wide variation within a range of 700 to 900 lumens.

The X3 has slight advantages with contrast, sharpness and motion compared to the HD350.

3D with the Oppo 93 also works very nice. No handshake issues with Marantz AV7005. So overall i am happy with my X3.
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post #3766 of 9663
1/27/11 at 2:30pm
Will the RS40 receive an hd signal from an Integra dtc 9.8 (same as the Onkyo sc 885)? My pre pro is only hdmi 1.3 and I only want to use the projector for HD sources (not 3D) at this point. I know there have been issues with the onkyos and integras. Will this work with my Pre/pro?
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post #3767 of 9663
1/27/11 at 2:47pm
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Originally Posted by matthewa View Post

I would have thought a hdmi splitter would allow him to run 1 to avr and 1 to projector then he could have 3d and hd sound

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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

quite true, however, the ps3 doesnt have the capability to process the HD sound AND 3d video at the same time if im not mistaken (Not enough in the hardware which is 1.3) Otherwise, a splitter should do the trick

A HDMI splitter does not provide a solution if the goal is to get HD audio to a AVR with HDMI 1.3 inputs and 3D video to a RS40 (or any 3DTV with HDMI 1.4 inputs) - A HDMI splitter will not allow for HD audio because the HDMI 1.4a Frame Packing format used for 3D coming out of the Bllu-ray 3D player places the HD audio in a different place in the data stream as compared to HDMI 1.3a and such HDMI splitters have no signal processing to extract and re-encode the audio into a HDMI 1.3 format for the feed going to the AVR (but this is what the Oppo and Panasonic Blu-ray 3D players with dual HDMI ouputs are doing).
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post #3768 of 9663
1/27/11 at 3:40pm
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Originally Posted by cpc View Post

Did some folks say they cannot see the digital noise at their seating location and/or that the noise went away after so many hours? Not sure what vision the person had who said they couldn't see the digital noise at their seating location. Also not sure how many people would agree.

Here is a smattering of comments I found with a simple search for "noise". I stopped looking because this seems pretty conclusive to me but then maybe all of us have vision issues.

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Originally Posted by Geof View Post

in my case it's only noticeable if I'm standing much closer to the screen than my seats.

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Originally Posted by JonStatt View Post

Two of the X7/RS50s in the UK have exhibited the digital noise. Personally I have never noticed it from seating and I have to go up to the screen to see it. We don't know for sure its the same digital noise as seen on the pre-production units.

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Originally Posted by JonStatt View Post

Agreed. The noise I saw (although I didn't really notice it from seated) has greatly diminished over the first 100 hours. A smoother more natural picture remains

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Originally Posted by rlindo View Post

I see what people meant with video noise. When I paused a few scenes and went up to the screen to check out focus I could see a bit of noise in the solid colour areas which looked like grain. I know it wasnt simply film grain because this stuff was moving on the paused screen. This isn't noticeable at all from any normal seating distance.

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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Its a non issue. I could see it on mine when the bulb was new (it seems to have diminished with hours on the bulb for some reason) with some material, but I had to go up to the screen........at any normal seating distance (which your 8' distance is easily in range of this), you wont see it.

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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

I was troubled when I read this, too. As far as I'm concerned, it's a non-issue. I haven't seen it so far (over 100 hours on the lamp). Maybe I could find it with some effort, but I'm not going to look for it.

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Originally Posted by robobob View Post

Noise? Have not looked from 6" on a gray ramp but definitely not an issue from seating distance.

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Originally Posted by Chris Dallas View Post

After further testing and now more than 30 hours on the bulb I must say that my initial impressions of the RS40 were a little premature. It's like somethimg magical has happened, something that can't be explained or possible. The picture has taken a 180 degree turn and is now silky smooth with NO NOISE!! As gorgeous as the RS20 was this unit is starting to show why it's better in every way, man what a turnaround.

I thank the forum members for all their posts here that their units got better with several hours on them cause if it wasn't for that I would have given up on this unit in the first 10 hours, glad I didn't and kudos to JVC for another fine product. Now I need to get me glasses and an emitter to try 3-D.

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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

if you stare at something long enough, you are going to find all it's faults. I can see a little bit of digital noise on certain gray screens if I am standing 6 inches in front of the screen. Step back a foot, it's gone. I certainly can't see it from normal seating distance.

i'm relatively critical, but if this is the noise that is being discussed, I think it's blown a bit out of proportion. I would be more concerned with good convergence, even focus and uniformity across the screen.

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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

I have yet to notice this noise others are talking about. What is the definit way to see or prove if I have it or not?
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post #3769 of 9663
1/27/11 at 4:02pm
Is this "noise" something that would be present if the PJ was receiving a signal that has been cleaned and adjusted by a processor such as a Lumagen?

-Sean
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post #3770 of 9663
1/27/11 at 4:53pm
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

No and No. Toslink does not support HD audio (on any device). For Panasonic only their 300 series (i.e., 300, 350 or the upcoming 310) of Blu-ray 3D players have a second HDMI output (that can be connected to AVRs that only have HDMI 1.3 inputs). If you have an AVR that does have 1.4a inputs then any Blu-ray 3D player, such as you your BT100, is all you need since you can simply connect the HDMI from the Blu-ray player to the AVR and then HDMI from the AVR to the RS40s. The only practical alternatives to accommodate use of older AVRs, with HDMI 1.3 inputs, is to either accept you won't be getting HD audio when playing 3D discs (i.e., using a Toslink connector) or to buy one of the Panasonic or Oppo Blu-ray 3D players that has a 2nd HDMI output specially to support using such an AVR.

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Originally Posted by jwheels View Post

I have a unopened Panasonic dmp - bt100. Would that make a difference? And why? Can it output HD through toslink or does it have multiple hdmi outputs?

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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

A HDMI splitter does not provide a solution if the goal is to get HD audio to a AVR with HDMI 1.3 inputs and 3D video to a RS40 (or any 3DTV with HDMI 1.4 inputs) - A HDMI splitter will not allow for HD audio because the HDMI 1.4a Frame Packing format used for 3D coming out of the Bllu-ray 3D player places the HD audio in a different place in the data stream as compared to HDMI 1.3a and such HDMI splitters have no signal processing to extract and re-encode the audio into a HDMI 1.3 format for the feed going to the AVR (but this is what the Oppo and Panasonic Blu-ray 3D players with dual HDMI ouputs are doing).

Would this not work? http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2
The specs are "3D capable" and the output can be via Digital Coax (which AFAIK does support HD audio either native or via PCM... if his AVR supports coax audio in). Maybe a $43 solution.

Or, I'd look at the root of the problem which is his AVR and replace that with a $800 AVR model that has 3D support.
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post #3771 of 9663
1/27/11 at 5:19pm
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Originally Posted by coolplazma View Post

Would this not work? http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2
The specs are "3D capable" and the output can be via Digital Coax (which AFAIK does support HD audio either native or via PCM... if his AVR supports coax audio in). Maybe a $43 solution.

Or, I'd look at the root of the problem which is his AVR and replace that with a $800 AVR model that has 3D support.

That older type of digital audio connection (i.e, digital coax) still has the same limitations as Toslink (only standard Dolby Digital or DTS surround or 2 channel PCM). The only digital connection supporting lossless surround HD audio into a AVR is HDMI (1.3 or 1.4).
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post #3772 of 9663
1/27/11 at 5:54pm
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Originally Posted by ravenous View Post

Comming from a quite bright HD350 (compared to 3 other units) i installed my X3 last week.

Compared to the HD350 i lost 1,5ftL in normal lamp mode with the X3. After tweaking the settings in the service menu in high lamp mode the difference was around 0,8 ftL.

I calculated roughly 780 lumens with 6500K in high lamp mode.

I also measured another X3 which was at 905 lumens calibrated. So there is a wide variation within a range of 700 to 900 lumens.

The X3 has slight advantages with contrast, sharpness and motion compared to the HD350.

3D with the Oppo 93 also works very nice. No handshake issues with Marantz AV7005. So overall i am happy with my X3.

This is probably a more realistic answer to the problem, meaning too much variation in the bulb output. One would think that 20%+ variation would be outside manufacturing tolerances.....Well I guess I can hope that if my original bulb is not bright enough maybe my second one will be.....
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post #3773 of 9663
1/27/11 at 5:59pm
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Originally Posted by Geof View Post

Here is a smattering of comments I found with a simple search for "noise". I stopped looking because this seems pretty conclusive to me but then maybe all of us have vision issues.

I am not at all worried about a little noise that can only be seen at 2 feet from the screen or something. I am also coming from DLP which also exhibits quite a bit of noise when close to the screen....

This is like worrying about a half a pixel of mis-convergence...I can only see it when I am 2 feet away staring at a 1 pixel grid.....but I know it is there.......
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post #3774 of 9663
1/27/11 at 7:45pm
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Originally Posted by nohjy View Post
Will the RS40 receive an hd signal from an Integra dtc 9.8 (same as the Onkyo sc 885)? My pre pro is only hdmi 1.3 and I only want to use the projector for HD sources (not 3D) at this point. I know there have been issues with the onkyos and integras. Will this work with my Pre/pro?
Yes. I have the Onkyo 885 and it works fine with the exception of not being able to access OSD for calibration. It shows ONKYO in 480P/60, but not the menu. As I have just now finish reracking my equipment, it could be a setting.
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1/27/11 at 8:08pm
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post
hopefully Verizon will pull out the big guns soon. This looks promising:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_MZb-7iOmQ

I've had FIOS since ~2006 when it was a pilot program in my neighborhood. Bring on the 18MB/sec 3D streams they are bragging about in the video!
awesome! Can't wait!
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post #3776 of 9663
1/27/11 at 8:40pm
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awesome! Can't wait!
Who need fios? I have Cox cable in So Cal and routinely get over 85mb down (one time 99mb) and 6mb up.
LL
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1/27/11 at 8:48pm
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Who need fios? I have Cox cable in So Cal and routinely get over 85mb down (one time 99mb) and 6mb up.
Holy Moly and Jeez Louise... I though I was good at 22mb down and 4mb up. Man... yours is really fantastic!
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post #3778 of 9663
1/27/11 at 11:24pm
Unfortunately I have handshake issue with Onkyo tx-sr876 and jvc x3.
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1/28/11 at 3:55am
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Holy Moly and Jeez Louise... I though I was good at 22mb down and 4mb up. Man... yours is really fantastic!
I got an ad wanting me to commit to a two year contract for.......8MB!
The cable company that has the monopoly in my area is Charter, if that means anything to anyone. The worst rated cable company in Consumer Reports survey, or any other survey by any other taker. I'll stick to DirecTV for video, leave all my network capable gear unhooked for now, and pray that FIOS reaches me sometime before I pass on.
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1/28/11 at 8:00am
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Originally Posted by Ati007 View Post

Unfortunately I have handshake issue with Onkyo tx-sr876 and jvc x3.

Can you tell us more? I have a TX-SR875 and have a RS-40 on order.
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