Official JVC RS40/X3 Owners Thread - Page 129

I doubt anyone in here payed FULL MSRP for the JVC........so for most of us there is not anywhere near a 4k difference.

Second thing is MOST (all?) of us buying the JVCs were looking for a great 2d projector as well at which point the 3d could be looked at as a free bonus (MSRP actually went DOWN from the RS15 to the RS40).

Report back on SAW after you watch it as I am curious to hear more opinions on the 3d in that one.

3D is a strange thing...........I am even excited to check out Step Up 3d when I can get my hands on it for a fair price! I would never watch this movie otherwise since I am sure it will be cheesy as all hell!

Anyone figure out how to program a Harmony remote to program discrete Anamorphic commands or toggle through them (off -> A -> B)?

Sadly, these are not included in their Database for the JVC, nor does their remotes provide macros. I have no idea how to take the info provided here and use it on a Harmony. Harmony remotes are work very well for what they do right, but clearly have some severe limitations.

Screw the glasses!

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Now THAT makes sense. I can get on board with that. I actually agree and am sticking with my RS20 for now.

Go under your harmony remote for that activity, go to settings, select the remote and you will have to add the word "anamorphic" or what ever you want to call it and select from the drop down list what function button it corresponds from the RS40 and save. Once you update the remote, that function should show up as one of your buttons for that activity.

Ian B

Just finished watching the recent Star Trek movie and I was in awe on black levels specially in the first and last space battle scenes. The level of details on the blacks and overall colors made it seem like a new movie that I had not seen before.

Ian B

P.S. Pitch Black is next in 30 mins.

I honestly think the real problem comparing the Acer and the Jvc is that they are both very attractive options, yet for very different reasons.

Another problem is that there is only one person that I know of that has seen both of them. Many of you probably know who I'm referring to. After communicating with him you would think I would come to a conclusion of which route to take (yes I'm actually considering one or the other). The jvc was superior in his eyes in 3d ( 2d not even worth discussing). Yet the overall 3d experience is closer than what many would think.

Thus if you are in need of a 3d only solution and are willing and able to deal with the limitations and hurdles (no small thing for many) of the Acer, from all reports it does indeed sound like a viable option.

However, if you need a comparable 2d solution as well, the rs40 cannot be beat! Look at the cost of getting a b-stock rs15 and everything you need to run the Acer. You will be paying as much as an rs40.

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Thanks for the info, this is good to know. So I will set up some separate modes for 2D and 3D for the projector, and maybe even some film vs. tv ones.

That's how you program the Harmony to add a new button that's either an already known function in the RS40 database or learned via a remote. Almost all of the discrete keys on the remote in the database are already pre-mapped (except C.M.D and ColorSpace). A solution for learning the RAW code for PowerOn has been reported elsewhere too.

What I'm looking for is the discrete code for the Anamorphic menu options. It's not in the Logitech RS40 database, nor can it be learned from the remote since it's not a provided key. However, I think I may have the solution after looking into this more. I've programmed a code for AnamorphicToggle into my 880 and am about to test it. Since I have to turn everything on for this test anyway, I plan to watch a movie or two.

I'll report later tonight or tomorrow on my results. If I'm successful, I'll provide the solution as well for those of you with A-lens and a Harmony looking to add this function.

Hope it works for you. The JVC remote does have a button for anamorphic that cycles between off and modes A and B. You can easily create a custom soft key for this function that you could name Anamorphic that will show up on the Harmony's LCD display. Not quite as nice has having discrete codes for anamorphic Off and anamorphic mode A.

By the way, the Harmony remotes do support Macros with up to 5 commands. They call this a sequence and you can create one or more custom sequence for any given activity activity and assign any sequence you have created to whatever key you want to.

Can someone PM me with the best priced dealer to pick up the RS40?

Good luck then. What I mentioned before is what I did with my harmony one. Every time I hit the button it toggles between a b off.

Ian B

I will investigate the Da-Lite, though I have to admit I am leaning heavily towards a Stewart. I am willing to pay a premium for the screen, given that I expect very good longevity there.

We're planning to use a URC remote so I think I'll look into having several presets available to handle different source material. Thanks for the very helpful information.

Careful with that glasses free technology - too funny. So when do your eyes explode!
I think I laughed till I cried. Only the French could come up with this. I don't think it's real, but it's pretty clever.

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I think its funny how the Acer is being compared to the RS40. I think 99% of RS40 owners paid less than $3300 for theirs also. Where can you find a better 2D projector for less than 5K? And its a 1080p 3D projector, which shows little ghosting at that. I never seen a 720 3D projector but I'm guess a 1080p 3D image shows a better picture. Some scenes look like I'm there filming.

Also, who has a HT without 2D? What other 2D projector will you group with your Acer? A RS10, 15, or 20? Isn't the RS40 better on 2D than those? My friend has a RS20 and when I saw his last year I could not wait to upgrade my panny 4000. After he saw my RS40, he immediately put his up for sale, so I know a second projector that matches the RS40 will be well over $3000.

I just don't understand the comparison. You will spend way more if you want to match a RS40 with the Acer. You will need to buy a used RS20 or better with the Acer. Unless you have a better 2D projector, I can understand, but if you don't, you need to look into seeing one in action. Just because it does 3D for less, doesn't make it better because its really not

My apologies! I must be blind because I thought that button said ANIME and not ANAMO. You are correct in that all I need to do is map it via the learn function since it's not already in the DB. Duh!

Still, my research did lead me to find how to take the Hex codes supplied in the JVC DILA remote control guide, convert them to pronto codes via MakeHex (and MakeHex GUI), and then use the Logitech Harmony IR Analysis Center to manually add the Hex code to the device.

So even though the Anamo key is there, I can use this same process to add any code from that JVC list (or any Pronto code) that isn't on the remote or in the DB.

I read that there may be a limit of only one code allowed entered in this fashion via the Logitech site. I haven't tested more than one yet, but I read that additional uses of the tool overwrites the previously stored one. Someone suggested saving the "converted code" off to another remote and use the learning feature to get it back after.

Going to have to play around with this some more and try to add a few discrete codes to the Harmony. Maybe see if I can use it to "force" a Gamma other than A or B during 3D playback, for example.

Yeah, after coming back to this thread, I noticed my mistake.
However, with what I learned, I can add separate options for Off, A, B, and anything else that the JVC recognizes.

I also noticed that sequence feature for creating a new activity. I read an old post somewhere that said it wasn't possible. Guess it was wrong info or Logitech added it sometime since that post. Hopefully, they also changed (fixed) the IR Analysis control feature to allow for more than one converted manual code. I'll see...

What, according to the remote manual, there's a discrete ir code for all commands; here are the ones for the anamorphic modes:

Yes, there are discrete IR code for all commands. However, the problem is getting the Harmony to recognize them. Since it's handled via a web based client and under complete control by Logitech, it's not a simple process. As I said in my original post, the Harmony does what it does very well and simply too. However, it's not the most flexible remote control because of the Logitech implementation and getting them to add codes is almost as difficult.

The Anamo cycle key is there to be learned by the Harmony. Adding another discrete code from this list can be done too, but it's not a simple process and unfortunately, I've confirmed that the Logitech web process limits it to a single learned Pronto code at a time. And of course, no one can explain why it's limited that way. Don't hold your breath waiting for Logitech to change it either. Just getting them to add more codes to your device profile by emailing them is a generally a big hassle and wait. It's simpler to just store the code to another learning remote and re-enter it after. A lengthy process, but adding all of these or any other Pronto codes can be done on a Harmony. And it's still cheaper than a Crestron, AMX, or other solution.

And now that I have a discrete code for Gamma D entered, I'll post later whether or not it works when in 3D as a test. If we're lucky, maybe this will get around the Gamma A and B only restriction in 3D.

This is an Official RS40 OWNERS thread. Take your Big smiley face and move along Troll....

When I turned the pj on yesterday, Clear motion was on. I'm curious if it's a bug when clear motion is left on and you turn off the projector. I notice the screen gets bright and look fine for a second before going dim again when cycling through presents. If I turned off Clear motion then I cycled through Natural, Cinema, stage, then back to Natural, it seemed to fix it. Wonder if it's an hdmi issue...

O.K., like Toe, I can't help myself so I'll bite. How about a Sony gamma corrected G90 for 2D, which does full fade to blacks and holds them. Even if you already own a good, but inferior projector like the Epson 9500 for 2D, then combining it with the Acer is very cost effective solution that will carry you happily on to next year's 2D/3D projectors that will probably be even better for less cost - so keeping any decent 2D projector and adding the Acer might be a reasonable and viable option. I only use the Acer for 3D and it does a phenomenal job and believe it or not in 3D mode with glasses on it has a good black level and very good overall contrast. I seriously considered both the JVC and Sony for 3D, but why pay 6 to 18 times the price of the Acer? I'm covered for 2D with my G90, Epson 9500 and Epson 7500. Setting up the Acer was only a small risk due to price and I've been absolutely stunned by the 3D quality it produces - and what's my reference? Well, a projector that's still considered a reference, especially in the area of black level. If you already have a 2D projector you're happy with and want to test the 3D waters why wouldn't you try the Acer or one of the other 720p 3D DLPs? This is the best consumer purchase I've made to date - including my G90, Marquee 8500 (LC), Martanz digital projector, Nec LT150, Nec HT1000, Epson 7500, Epson 9500, Lumagen processors, two anamorphic lenses several different screen materials and on and on and on. I simply don't know how to put its value into perspective since almost everything I've bought for my HT has cost much more (even the replacement lamps for my other digital projectors) and they haven't had anything like the impact on image quality this little cage champion has had. I'll even put it ahead of my four Da-lie HP screens, which I also consider an incredible value and now with 3D even more so! Like the HP screen the Acer isn't for everyone, but for those that can accommodate this projector it's a wonderful addition to your HT. I just watched Grand Canyon and Step Up on the Acer - my oh my, what a great experience on my 120" HP screen - bright, punchy, high contrast rock solid image with absolutely no ghosting - nada! When I put a 3D movie on I don't worry that a particular title might cause any ghosting - slight or otherwise. I just look forward to a great visual feast!

The caveat being - that if you're sensitive to RBE you'll want a good return policy, but first try 3D for RBE problems because many people who see RBE in 2D on the acer don't see any, or very little in 3D mode. I don't see any in 3D mode. Does the qualification about RBE meet your standards Toe?

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So, you are proving my point. You need about 3 other projectors to compete with the RS40? If you get the Acer, be prepared to spend much more to compete with the $3000 rs40

One way to do this is to use a Philips Pronto remote to store the discrete codes, using the Makehex utility to convert the hex from the JVC remote commands list into Pronto compatible commands. Once you have the discrete codes programmed into the Pronto remote then use it as the source remote and learn these commands into your Harmony remote. I have a couple of old Pronto remotes that I haven't used for a few years and I have gone this route from time to time to get specific discrete commands into my Harmony for other HT devices. If you don't have an old Pronto remote then buying a used one off of eBay might be worth the investment, and you could sell it back on eBay after you are finished programming your Harmony if you really don't want to keep it.

There are a couple of alternatives too.

This document contains all the hex codes....MakeHex is not required - all you have to do is copy and paste!

You can also use a JVC Service Remote per GaryB:

Does any one here own/tested this screen in full size with the RS40/50?

I wonder how well does it retain polarization for 3d viewing.

Also any other thoughts about it would be great.

My personal experience was rather different, and the only thing I had to do was resync my remote. What I did when I wanted to add anamorphic stretch for my HD750 was to log a request for it via Logitech support. A couple of days later they emailed me saying that they had added the codes and requested I log on and resync. Very simple, all I had to do was pair the new commands with the buttons. I used the up/down button below the screen.

Graham

In case anyone's interested (other than Sam of course... I KNOW he'll be interested!!)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post19919956

No, my point is that if you already have a good 2D projector then adding the Acer could be a reasonable alternative since the replacement lamp you'll need shortly, since you use your projector for both 2D and 3D, will cost about what you'll pay for the Acer (you can buy an Acer for $500 on the internet)! You can buy a replacement lamp for the Acer for $175.00 and using it only for 3D will give me more time before lamp replacement - same goes for your 2D projector. The other nice thing about the Acer is that if you live in a State or Province that has sales tax, then when you add sales tax onto the price of the Acer it is considerably less than adding sales tax on to the price of the JVC! Where I live we have something called HST (13%). So, my Acer cost $619.00 + 13% = approximately $700.00. The JVC would have cost me $3,500.00 + 13% = 3,965.00 ($465.00 just in tax). That $3,500.00 for the JVC was a very good price where I live.

If you paid $3,000 all inclusive, then you did very well indeed! I think AVS charges more than that before you pay any tax or shipping costs and that price was for a power buy, which may have ended by now. Everywhere I look I see a retail price of $4,495.00 for the RS-40. What the best street price is at the moment I'm unsure of.

Suffice it to say I'd be happy with an Epson 7500 or 9500 combined with an Acer for 3D. Guess what? I am! The G90 only gets used for Sci-fi and movies that have lots of fades to black - like Devil. Only other gamma corrected CRTs and LED DLPs can match its ability to do full fade to black, so if you don't have one of those you're not seeing FFTB, but rather full fade to grey, or if you're lucky full fade to charcoal.