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post #481 of 9972
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

... and she was like WOW!!! This looks amazing! So we had to replay Bolt from the beginning which made her instantly regret me spending $1400 on the Sony 3D TV since the effect on the RS40 was so much better.

That's too funny Sam!



Hey, maybe Thrang can chime in on his DVR model. I've got all three including the newest HR24 mini's.


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post #482 of 9972
Thread Starter 
Off to play with my RS40 again, here is what i will be doing:

- playing with DirecTV and follow the tricks Thrang applied to enable the SbS3D on his RS50

- watching My BloodyValentine 3D and reporting on significant ghosting if any, and flicker, if any.

- testing verical stretch in 3D using my Denon AVR 4311's Vstretching as well as the VS on my Oppo 93.
post #483 of 9972
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

I hope that is the case, because there is no way for me to tell what the DirecTv HDDVR is thinking if you know what i mean. And if that is truly the case, and part if me thinks so since you can sometime trick the DirecTV receiver to play nice by switching back and forth between working and nonworking 3D shows really fast, sort of, but if you do it immediately after yhad just played a working 3D program, then you can try to play the non working ones and at least the first couple of seconds would play before it stops playing and shows either the "720p or 1080/24" error. So in other words it could very well be a glitch from DirecTV's end and if that is the case JVC needs to communicate with DirecTV ASAP because a consumer is not going to be able to get them to update the FW this fast to include the JVC on the list of working and compatible 3D displays.


From DirecTV's website:

Is DIRECTV's HD 3D programming platform compatible with any 3D TV?

Currently DIRECTV 3D is supported on several 3D television models.

Panasonic (Model TC-P50VT25, TC-P54VT25, TC-P58VT25, and TC-P65VT25 )
Samsung (Model LN55C750R2F, LN46C750R2F, UN55C9000ZF, UN46C8000XF, UN46C9000ZF, UN55C8000XF, UN55C7000WF, UN46C7000WF, UN40C7000WF, PN50C7000YF, PN58C7000YF, PN63C7000YF, PN50C8000YF, PN58C8000YF, PN63C8000YF)

Mitsubishi All models require the 3DA-1 adapter from Mitsubishi. (TV Models WD-57833, WD-60638, WD-60735, WD-60737, WD-60738,WD-60C8, WD-60C9, WD-60C10, WD-65C8, WD-65C9, WD-65C10, WD-73C8, WD-73C9, WD-73C10, L65-A90, L75-A81, L75-A91, WD-65638, WD-65735, WD-65736,WD-65737,WD-65738, WD-65833, WD-65835, WD-65837, WD-65838, WD-73638, WD-73735, WD-73736, WD-73737, WD-73738, WD-73833, WD-73835, WD-73837, WD-73838, WD-82737, WD-82738, WD-82837, WD-82838)

Sony (Models XBR-52LX900, XBR-60LX900)

Supported 3D televisions may also need a firmware upgrade. Please check with your television manufacturer to ensure you have the latest firmware version for your 3D-HD television model.

Additional models and manufacturers will be added to this list as they become available.





What channels will offer the HD 3D programming?

Channel 103 n3D™ Powered by Panasonic
Channel 104 DIRECTV CINEMA™ in 3D (Pay Per View)
Channel 105 3D content to watch instantly1
Channel 106 ESPN 3D

1Watching instantly requires DIRECTV Plus HD DVR and broadband internet service with speeds of750kbps or higher, DVR service and a network router with an available Ethernet port.


What is n3D™?

n3D™ is DIRECTV’s new 24/7 3D channel powered by Panasonic. It delivers the best 3D shows, movies and sports from AEG/AEG Digital Media, CBS, Fox Sports/FSN, Golden Boy Promotions, HDNet, MTV, NBC Universal and Turner Broadcasting System, Inc. (explains why so many Panny's are supported!)


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post #484 of 9972
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

Yep, you heard right. Even more 3D eyewear to pick from and these look pretty slick and they are dirt cheap!!! The kind you would give little kids and not have a stroke if they break it.

Introducing NXG 3D glasses:

http://www.firefold.com/%2FNXG-NX-3D...es-P31303.aspx

These sell online between $50-$60 and my local dealer in Colorado asked if i could test them for him as soon as he receives a pair, and of course i say hell yes! If they work, i can probably buy 4 of them of the price of 2 Xpands or even 1 JVC, LOL! (JVC really needs to slash the prices on their 3D glasses)


I won't get excited until i see them for myself, but here are some of their specs:


The wireless NX-3DG active 3D glasses are designed to view 3D content on most 3D projectors with an option I/R emitter, certain 100 Hz or higher CRT monitors, and any Samsung 3D ready TV with a built in emitter. NXG offers a high quality alternative to higher priced active shutter glasses, allowing your family and friends to share and enjoy the full 3D viewing experience.

- Unique design of power saving circuit layout and low power saving chips enable the glasses to be lightweight and flexible
- Glasses may run up to 301 hours of continuous use and 1-year standby before a battery change
- Extended IR receiving window is constructed with a high filter capacity to reduce environmental interference to improve all-around receiving without a black hole effect
- Intelligent auto ON/OFF function extends battery life by awakening automatically when receiving an IR signal and going into power saving mode 5 minutes after IR signal is cut off
- Designed with built-in low power detection, glasses will flash once every second to alert user battery needs to be replaced
- Glasses are designed to work for 3 hours after low power is detected to enable user to finish a movie
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We're going to be seeing more and more options for shutter glasses - and they'll get cheaper and cheaper. One of these days we'll have objective tests/measurements for them, just as we do for displays. On my Samsung 3D plasma, I have 2 types of glasses - Samsung (which are the same as the ones used for Mits rear pro DLPs) and Ultra-Clears (which are the same price as the NX glasses you just posted about). I see obvious brightness, contrast, ghosting and sync differences between them. Soon, I'll have the X103s for comparison, too. Shutter glasses might be a good sub-topic for one of your reserved slots at the start of this thread.
post #485 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

We're going to be seeing more and more options for shutter glasses - and they'll get cheaper and cheaper. One of these days we'll have objective tests/measurements for them, just as we do for displays. On my Samsung 3D plasma, I have 2 types of glasses - Samsung (which are the same as the ones used for Mits rear pro DLPs) and Ultra-Clears (which are the same price as the NX glasses you just posted about). I see obvious brightness, contrast, ghosting and sync differences between them. Soon, I'll have the X103s for comparison, too. Shutter glasses might be a good sub-topic for one of your reserved slots at the start of this thread.

Thanks Sam for the info, and we're looking forward to hearing what you both think of these glasses.
post #486 of 9972
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

Yes, point taken, but once the Xpand glasses are synched with the Pj, they will not go out of synch. You simply just turn them on and off, tis was a pure case of user error on my part (1D10T so to speak). I either did not have them on whey handed them to my wife, or maybe they auto shut off when i w as switching sourcing between 2D DirecTV and 3D bluray because i remember doing that at some point. Maybe my w ife pushed the button by mistake when she was adjusting the glasses on her face, so who knows.

At the end i coukd buy 5 or even 6 x103 glasses from AVS for the price of of 4 JVCs, the savings will add up the more 3D glasses you need to buy. And then the universal comaptability is a god sent in my opinion for those of us with 3D flag panels in the family room.

I still say Xpand edges out the JvC based on price and universal compataibilty appeal. Nit to mention they come. With 2 extra batteries, thats like another $10 off.

My Xpand 103 glasses go out sync every time I press a button on my remote - any of my remotes. After 1-2 seconds they sync back up, but its very annoying. I've raised the issue with Xpand support but they have been very slow and lackadaisical about handling the issue. Its very annoying. Its bad enough I get some dirty looks then I raise the volume during a movie, but now its even more obvious as the glasses go out of sync.
post #487 of 9972
Sam - sorry to hear about the issue with DirecTv. Hopefully you have a work around. If not I agree this would be a major issue here in the US.

I have Comcast - hope there will not be any issues there. That would certainly be a deal breaker.
post #488 of 9972
Directv needs to issue a firmware update to their HD-DVRs to make them compatible with the new JVC 3D ready projectors. This is needed because these Directv DVRs only have a HDMI 1.3 output and as a result cannot specfically detect the 3D capabilities of the connected display. Their work-around it to get the brand name and model number from the HDMI handshake and to then have a lookup table of the 3DTVs they support. Of course the new JVC 3D ready projectors are not in that list and as a result some of the 3D channels and programs may work but many others will produce only an error message from the HD-DVR that your TV doesn't support the 3D format used for that program. I strongly encourage current or future JVC 3D ready projector owners in the USA that also use Directv to send a message to Directv to request they issue a firmware update for their HD-DVRs to add the new JVC projectors to the list of supported 3DTVs. Below is the link to the Directv web page for asking them a question:

http://support.directv.com/app/ask
post #489 of 9972
I believe a work around exists for sets or projectors not recognized by Direct TV. The device is a HDMI detective or detective plus several other names for the same thing. Its a box that goes in line before the projector and it send to the device sending the signal an edid of a device that the sender recognizes. You buy one of these beasts for around $100, hook it up to a display Direct TV deems kosher ad then disconnect it and put it in line with the display device Direct TV deems unholy.
post #490 of 9972
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

I believe a work around exists for sets or projectors not recognized by Direct TV. The device is a HDMI detective or detective plus several other names for the same thing. Its a box that goes in line before the projector and it send to the device sending the signal an edid of a device that the sender recognizes. You buy one of these beasts for around $100, hook it up to a display Direct TV deems kosher ad then disconnect it and put it in line with the display device Direct TV deems unholy.

Well if devices like that are needed it won't speak well for DirecTv's responsiveness.
post #491 of 9972
DTV's responsiveness? That's is an oxymoron. I would spend the money on a legal device, which it is, rather than wasting hours with Direct TV trying to get them to do something via a satellite down load to all there boxes. Let JVC get them to do it.
post #492 of 9972
For anyone with DirecTV interested in gettin' their TS-3D Woody on . . . ESPN 3D is showing it tonight at 6:30pm (cst) for $5.99ppv!! Even though I don't have my projector to watch this on, I have it set to record for when we finally do!

That is all.

Kevin

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post #493 of 9972
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

Off to play with my RS40 again, here is what i will be doing:

- playing with DirecTV and follow the tricks Thrang applied to enable the SbS3D on his RS50

- watching My BloodyValentine 3D and reporting on significant ghosting if any, and flicker, if any.

- testing verical stretch in 3D using my Denon AVR 4311's Vstretching as well as the VS on my Oppo 93.


Do you ever sleep Sam??!
post #494 of 9972
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

DTV's responsiveness? That's is an oxymoron. I would spend the money on a legal device, which it is, rather than wasting hours with Direct TV trying to get them to do something via a satellite down load to all there boxes. Let JVC get them to do it.

I hear ya. I've been a sub to them since the 90's so I hear ya. But, a few emails from everyone won't hurt...especially if they're polite.

But even they must realize 3D is new and new models are constantly being introduced. Should be a simple matter to update the list.
/end dream
Hahahahahahahaha
post #495 of 9972
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

DTV's responsiveness? That's is an oxymoron. I would spend the money on a legal device, which it is, rather than wasting hours with Direct TV trying to get them to do something via a satellite down load to all there boxes. Let JVC get them to do it.

Yeah, Mits and Samsung DLP owners are having to resort to tricks to get their sets to work in 3D, and HDMI AVRs in the chain can also muck up the works. "HDMI handshake" is an oxymoron, too. Ain't nothin' friendly 'bout it.
post #496 of 9972
Its like bad sex. You get F---ed but . . . .
post #497 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

Ideally someone with the right software tools on their PC could take the essential test patterns from the AVS test disc and encode those patterns as both the left and right images, but with no horizontal offset, then create an ISO image file that we could download and burn to a disc (as is the case with the existing AVS test disc). While it would be ideal to have the disc using the Blu-ray standard Frame Packing full resolution 1080p 3D format, we could probably live with a 1080p side-by-side half resolution format.

Any forum members out there willing and able to give it a try?

why would the test pattern even have to be 3D? As long as the projector is in 3D mode and the glasses are worn and activated, that should be enough to do at least brightness and contrast, as long as it's taking into account the light loss of the glasses etc., no?
post #498 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Mikenificent1 View Post

why would the test pattern even have to be 3D? As long as the projector is in 3D mode and the glasses are worn and activated, that should be enough to do at least brightness and contrast, no?

Forcing Side-by-Side 3D mode is not a problem with a symmetrical pattern, like a IRE75 white window smack dab in the middle of the frame, as both left and right side of the frame are identical. The patterns for brightness and contrast on the AVS disc are not symmetrical... or are they? I can't remember.
post #499 of 9972
Fantastic news. The Oppo 93 does vertical stretch in 3D!!! I didnt try my 4311 since it is difficult to enter the menu to do so. That means that I can do the vertical stretch for 3D and I am very relieved and also so excited I decided on the 93
post #500 of 9972
I'm curious if anyone has wipeouthd 3D from ps3 marketplace. I've been very curious how that looks in 3d
post #501 of 9972
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Originally Posted by adammb View Post

Fantastic news. The Oppo 93 does vertical stretch in 3D!!! I didnt try my 4311 since it is difficult to enter the menu to do so. That means that I can do the vertical stretch for 3D and I am very relieved and also so excited I decided on the 93

I have the oppo 93 but am waiting on the PJ. Can you tell me how to get to the screen menue to do that? I have the panamorph 480 to do the horizontal stretch.
post #502 of 9972
Hmmmm. Very strange. Oppo claims the 93 won't do vertical stretch in 3D.
post #503 of 9972
Thread Starter 
Here is the skinny, i am hooked on playing Call of Duty Black Ops in 3D on the RS40 now, after several configurations were made on the Denon AVR4311 and the RS40.

Yesterday I criticized the sub par quality of playing Blackops 3D on the xbox360 via the RS40. And from a 1-to-10 scale, i would have given it a 5. Now and are all the changes made, its an easy 8 or 8.5/10. Simply put, playing 3D Black Ops on my RS40 now Rocks!!!

There is some minor ghosting here and there while playing BlackOps 3D on the RS40, but its less than what i had experienced on my Sony 55HX800. There isn't a TV out there that can play this 3D game flawlessly without any hints of ghostin, and luckily the RS40 is on the minimal end. Also unless I am not a picky hardcore gamer, I cannot notice any of this "gaming lag" i press a the Right trigger and it fires, i move right left up and down and it responds normally, nothing out of the ordinary.

So here is how it went down. While watching 2D HD DirecTV programming and it just didn't look right to me, there was too much noise, and the picture was decent but not excellent. Then i realized that more than likely up conversion and I/P scaling was enabled on every source input on the AVR4311 (Oppo93, DirecTV, PS3, HTPC...and wait for it...xbox3-f-in-60!!!!)

So i started going through EACH source mentioned above and i was like, what are the chances this aholes have all this upconverting overprocessing garbage enabled by default, sure enough all sources were being upconverted with I/p scaling turned on for some, and video mode set to Auto (instead of movie which is the purest video mode with no AVR processing, there is also gaming mode to process "faster" but also make everything look crappy in 3d)

So i turned off the video up conversion which automatically canceled the I/P scaling, and i changed the video mode from Auto to Movie for every source listed above, even the PS3 and Xbox360.

Then I turned on the xbox360 and fired up some 3D black ops, after making several Adjustments in the picture settings on the RS40, and low and behold the game (black ops) in 3D looks fantastic! Its still not as sharp and clean as the Sony because the Sony is only displaying the 720p 3D game a 55" TV, versus the RS40 which is projecting more than twice the size. So the 720p resolution will still take a hit, but i think the adjustment i made by disabling all the AVRs internal video processing and uupconverting and making the picture setting changes on the RS40 made this game Infinitly more enjoyable and better looking in 3D.

So if i had to rate my 3D Blackops experience as a 5/10 yesterday it's definitely an an 8 or maybe 8.5/10 now. So as i said in the title i will gladly eat the delicious crow if proving myself wrong means 3D gaming will look awesome on the RS40. This is one of this times were i am glad to be wrong, and I will sincerely apologize to JVC if i were too quick in critiicizing them 3D gaming display abilities , the folks are JVC are impressing me once again!

But now i have another bone to pick with the folks at Denon!!! Are you serious Denon? Up converting every single HDMI source i plugged in? Screw you Denon! First you give me blue rain while playing The Dark Knight, a reference disc, on a perfectly good Oppo blurry player and JVC projector, so i was pucky enough finger my Denon 4311 replaced with a new working one, and now this? You have now used up your second strike, one more strike and you are out! After 15 years of being a faithful Denon fan, i am actually consider moving on to other brands within the pricerange and what used to be a great Denon QC-Ed products.

So in connclusion boys and girls, 3D gaming will still rock your socks off on the RS40!

Just make sure to do the following on your AVR:
  • Turn off or disable video up conversion because in most cases it's pure garbage
  • Make sure source input is set to HDMI, not auto
  • Switch video mode to "Movie" or the purest non processed video mode (not Auto or Gaming or any other mode)
  • Also note that even the Gaming video mode makes Games look worse (so again stick with movie/film/pure modes which indicate zero processing and a pure pass through signal from the source to the display)
  • Turn off any I/P scali on your sources


Here are the changes i made on the RS40, and please consider these recommendations, i know there are some serious videophiles here, but this is about gaming and what tickles your fancy (not about film purism or what the director intended)

Here ae the changes made on the RS40 for optimized 3D gaming:
  • Select 3D preset
  • Brigthness: 0
  • Contrast: 5
  • Tint: 2 (more for Blackops since there is so much green and tree scenery)
  • Sharpness: 30 (not a fan of sharpness but it really helped in Blackops 3D)
  • Detail : 30 (again same as above, not a big fan, but it really helped in BO 3D)
  • Color: 30 (this is a personal preference and it made the game's colors tones and 3D pop and look more like what i have experiences on the Sony 55HX800)
  • Gamma: B3D
  • Color space: Wide 1
  • Temp: 8500k
  • Aperture: -5

Again, if you agree to disagree thats cool, but please don't chastise my color and detail/sharpness settings, these primarily apply to what i thought looked best for BlackOps 3D. This projector settings do not apply to BlackOps 2D, other games, bluray movies or DirecTV/Cable broadcast. It took me 3 hours of 3D game play to find the perfect mix of configurations IMHO, so I hope you try it before you knock it and if other configuration works better for 3D gaming please share if with everyone here.


One other note i wanted to add, is that after all the changes i made i did try to connect the xbox360 directly to the RS40, but i did not notice any PQ improvements over going through the AVR, just be sure to disable all the stuff i mentioned above in th receiver.
post #504 of 9972
Thread Starter 
The same changes i made on the xbox 360 source in the AVR, i went ahead and made on the DirecTV source, this way the AVR is not up converting or processing any signal coming from the DirecTv HDMI, instead its a pure signal pass through.

See the post above to find out everything i had disabled and changed on my Denon AVR4311, and apply it to your receiver.

The 2D HD picture quality was infinitely better, it was a night and day difference in clarity and sharpness and colors. I now really hate Denon for forcing their crappy uncovering technologies by defaul.

Anyhow, the 2D HD quality on DorscTV's programming now looks 10 times better and the CMD modes make it look even more amazing!! Q

This projector is producing nearly the same 2D quality pixel for pixel as the current crop of expensive Plasmas and LED TVs. Now if we can get DirecTV to recognize the JVC projectors as compatible 3D projectors, i will be one happy camper!
post #505 of 9972
Quick report as I am heading out the door............2d only

The RS40 KICKS ASS!!!!!!!!

My convergence is very good tested with the AVS709 disc.........blue on the horizontal is off ~1/3 pixel, but everything else seems pretty spot on........it deviates slightly at the extreme edges, but that is normal and no major changes from center area.

BRIGHT! Very punchy..........I am projecting ~128" image for 2.40 on my 2.35 screen and I had lamp on normal, 6500k color, REC 709 setting, aperture at -4 and it was plenty bright.

LOVE the masking feature...............you can do a custom mask on all sides from 0-5% in 50(!!) individual steps.........this allows me to fill out my 2.35 screen for 2.40 films and perfectly mask the side overspill...........very happy about this since both 2.5 and 5% options are too much.

Noticeably sharper than my RS1.................everything is better compared to the RS1.

Motorized optics are killer............love being able to zoom, shift, focus from the remote as it makes zooming SO much easier.

FI modes 3 and 4 are VERY good to my eyes..........even tried it out on CARS and was impressed that mode 3 did not seem overdone, but was a nice natural implementation. I had this on a VIZIO TV for a bit and this RS40 version is much better. This FI is better than I expected and I can see myself using this on certain content.

Uniformity is much better than my RS1. Threw up some full color screens from the AVS disc and NO MORE BRIGHT CORNERS on a full black screen! This was never a big deal on the RS1 for me, but nice to have this gone...........

MORE TO COME, but so far so good!
post #506 of 9972
Thread Starter 
Oh yeah! And The TOE delivers! Bam!!!

Hey man, i may ask for your help to measure the convergence and uniformity using the AVS disc whenever you'd like to come over to check out the 3D and my theater in person. I am free most of the day tomorrow.

Oh and congrats on finally unboxing your new baby!!! You got some serous self control to keep it boxed for 4 days man.

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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Quick report as I am heading out the door............2d only

The RS40 KICKS ASS!!!!!!!!

My convergence is very good tested with the AVS709 disc.........blue on the horizontal is off ~1/3 pixel, but everything else seems pretty spot on........it deviates slightly at the extreme edges, but that is normal and no major changes from center area.

BRIGHT! Very punchy..........I am projecting ~128" image for 2.40 on my 2.35 screen and I had lamp on normal, 6500k color, REC 709 setting, aperture at -4 and it was plenty bright.

LOVE the masking feature...............you can do a custom mask on all sides from 0-5% in 50(!!) individual steps.........this allows me to fill out my 2.35 screen for 2.40 films and perfectly mask the side overspill...........very happy about this since both 2.5 and 5% options are too much.

Noticeably sharper than my RS1.................everything is better compared to the RS1.

Motorized optics are killer............love being able to zoom, shift, focus from the remote as it makes zooming SO much easier.

FI modes 3 and 4 are VERY good to my eyes..........even tried it out on CARS and was impressed that mode 3 did not seem overdone, but was a nice natural implementation. I had this on a VIZIO TV for a bit and this RS40 version is much better. This FI is better than I expected and I can see myself using this on certain content.

Uniformity is much better than my RS1. Threw up some full color screens from the AVS disc and NO MORE BRIGHT CORNERS on a full black screen! This was never a big deal on the RS1 for me, but nice to have this gone...........

MORE TO COME, but so far so good!
post #507 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Geof View Post

I hear ya. I've been a sub to them since the 90's so I hear ya. But, a few emails from everyone won't hurt...especially if they're polite.

But even they must realize 3D is new and new models are constantly being introduced. Should be a simple matter to update the list.
/end dream
Hahahahahahahaha

Me too Geof (since 1996; year of initial launch I think). Good call on everyone calling; I just finished mine. ;o)

The TS rep said they would "get back to me" after sending it to their advanced team.
post #508 of 9972
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

Here is the skinny, i am hooked on playing Call of Duty Black Ops in 3D on the RS40 now, after several configurations were made on the Denon AVR4311 and the RS40.

Yesterday I criticized the sub par quality of playing Blackops 3D on the xbox360 via the RS40. And from a 1-to-10 scale, i would have given it a 5. Now and are all the changes made, its an easy 8 or 8.5/10. Simply put, playing 3D Black Ops on my RS40 now Rocks!!!

There is some minor ghosting here and there while playing BlackOps 3D on the RS40, but its less than what i had experienced on my Sony 55HX800. There isn't a TV out there that can play this 3D game flawlessly without any hints of ghostin, and luckily the RS40 is on the minimal end. Also unless I am not a picky hardcore gamer, I cannot notice any of this "gaming lag" i press a the Right trigger and it fires, i move right left up and down and it responds normally, nothing out of the ordinary.

So here is hiw it went down. While watching 2D HD DirecTV programming and it just didn't look right to me, there was too much noise, and the picture was decent but not excellent. Then i realized that more than likely up conversion and I/P scaling was enabled on every source input on the AVR4311 (Oppo93, DirecTV, PS3, HTPC...and wait for it...xbox3-f-in-60!!!!)

So i started going through EACH source mentioned above and i was like, what are the chances this aholes have all this upconverting overprocessing garbage enabled by default, sure enough all sources were being upconverted with I/p scaling turned on for some, and video mode set to Auto (instead of movie which is the purest video mode with no AVR processing, there is also gaming mode to process "faster" but also make everything look crappy in 3d)

So i turned off the video up conversion which automatically canceled the I/P scaling, and i changed the video mode from Auto to Movie for every source listed above, even the PS3 and Xbox360.

Then I turned on the xbox360 and fired up some 3D black ops, after making several Adjustments in the picture settings on the RS40, and low and behold the game (black ops) in 3D looks fantastic! Its still not as sharp and clean as the Sony because the Sony is only displaying the 720p 3D game a 55" TV, versus the RS40 which is projecting more than twice the size. So the 720p resolution will still take a hit, but i think the adjustment i made by disabling all the AVRs internal video processing and uupconverting and making the picture setting changes on the RS40 made this game Infinitly more enjoyable and better looking in 3D.

So if i had to rate my 3D Blackops experience as a 5/10 yesterday it's definitely an an 8 or maybe 8.5/10 now. So as i said in the title i will gladly eat the delicious crow if proving myself wrong means 3D gaming will look awesome on the RS40. This is one of this times were i am glad to be wrong, and I will sincerely apologize to JVC if i were too quick in critiicizing them 3D gaming display abilities , the folks are JVC are impressing me once again!

But now i have another bone to pick with the folks at Denon!!! Are you serious Denon? Up converting every single HDMI source i plugged in? Screw you Denon! First you give me blue rain while playing The Dark Knight, a reference disc, on a perfectly good Oppo blurry player and JVC projector, so i was pucky enough finger my Denon 4311 replaced with a new working one, and now this? You have now used up your second strike, one more strike and you are out! After 15 years of being a faithful Denon fan, i am actually consider moving on to other brands within the pricerange and what used to be a great Denon QC-Ed products.

So in connclusion boys and girls, 3D gaming will still rock your socks off on the RS40!

Just make sure to do the following on your AVR:
  • Turn off or disable video up conversion because in most cases it's pure garbage
  • Make sure source input is set to HDMI, not auto
  • Switch video mode to "Movie" or the purest non processed video mode (not Auto or Gaming or any other mode)
  • Also motes that even Gaming video mode makes Games look worse (so again stick with movie/film/pure modes which indicate zero processing and a pure pass through signal from the source to the display)
  • Turn off any I/P scali on your sources


Here are the changes i made on the RS40, and please consider these recommendations, i know there are some serious videophiles here, but this is about gaming and what tickles your fancy (not about film purism or what the director intended)

Here ae the changes made on the RS40 for optimized 3D gaming:
  • Select 3D preset
  • Brigthness: 0
  • Contrast: 5
  • Tint: 2 (more for Blackops since there is so much green and tree scenery)
  • Sharpness: 30 (not a fan of sharpness but it really helped in Blackops 3D)
  • Detail : 30 (again same as above, not a big fan, but it really helped in BO 3D)
  • Color: 30 (this is a personal preference and it made the game's colors tones and 3D pop and look more like what i have experiences on the Sony 55HX800)
  • Gamma: B3D
  • Color space: Wide 1
  • Temp: 8500k
  • Aperture: -5
Again, if you agree to disagree thats cool, but please don't chastise my color and detail/sharpness settings, these primarily apply to what i thought looked best for BlackOps 3D. This projector settings do not apply to BlackOps 2D, other games, bluray movies or DirecTV/Cable broadcast. It took me 3 hours of 3D game play to find the perfect mix of configurations IMHO, so I hope you try it before you knock it and if other configuration works better for 3D gaming please share if with everyone here.


One other note i wanted to add, is that after all the changes i made i did try to connect the xbox360 directly to the RS40, but i did not notice any PQ improvements over going through the AVR, just be sure to disable all the stuff i mentioned above in th receiver.

I will let you know from now that some of you who are not big on touching certain picture properties on the projector to only consider these changes (such as color saturation to be personal more than anything.)

Cool...I know what you mean about the new 4311 Denon...I sent mine back and got a Yamaha RX-A3000 adventage...It's great!...also has volume on screen like Denon plus alot of other cool features...This unit is for my great room, but I am seriously thinking of buying another to replace my SC-37 Pioneer Elite in the theater..."LOVE" the on screen menu graphics...
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Cool...I know what you mean about the new 4311 Denon...I sent mine back and got a Yamaha RX-A3000 adventage...It's great!...also has volume on screen like Denon plus alot of other cool features...This unit is for my great room, but I am seriously thinking of buying another to replace my SC-37 Pioneer Elite in the theater..."LOVE" the on screen menu graphics...

Man, now you got me thinking! I am pretty close from throwing my allegiance to Denon out the f-in window. And i can still exchange it for the Yamaha A3000. Do you think the Yamaha A3000 would blow away the Denon 4311? What does the A3000 have in the way of features and pure performance that the 4311, does not have? I have just nevr thought i would end up with a retail big bix store brand like Yamaha after going with Denon who had an elite status for over 2 decades.
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Man, now you got me thinking! I am pretty close from throwing my allegiance to Denon out the f-in window. And i can still exchange it for the Yamaha A3000. Do you think the Yamaha A3000 would blow away the Denon 4311? What does the A3000 have in the way of features and pure performance that the 4311, does not have? I have just nevr thought i would end up with a retail big bix store brand like Yamaha after going with Denon who had an elite status for over 2 decades.

Honestly, you can check all my prior posts...I have "never" owned a Yamaha receiver...Always Pioneer Elite, or Denon. I had the 4311 and honestly, the new Yamaha is an upgrade to me. Absolutely ZERO handshake issues...(better than even the Pioneer)...But what really got me hooked was the awesome on screen menu selections...The sound is the same to my ears...(all three units have 140 watts per channel) It has 2 subwoofer outs and 2 height channels (which I don't use). Honestly, I am very impressed with the Yamaha...It's a keeper!... I'm too tired now but I can send you some screen shots tomorrow to check out the awesome GUI...bad to the bone.
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