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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

No

Someone who asked not to be named sent it to me as a token of appreciation for my early reports and impressions of the RS40.

Whoever your secret Santa is, that was very nice of him! What a great guy.
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Originally Posted by Mikenificent1 View Post

Whoever your secret Santa is, that was very nice of him! What a great guy.

I like to call him the Na'vi Santa! and he know how I appreciate this!
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

I am using a 2 year old HDMI cable i had gotten from Monoprice , its 25 ft. When i looked up my old invoice it did not list it as high speed on the old invoice, but i plugged in the item number from the invoice onto their website search engine and its now listing the same hdmi cable as high speed. So in other words more than likely most cables from the past year or two are 3D ready.but its good to doulecheck, i was so glad because i didn't feel like pulling cables thru my smurf tubes.

They almost look too good to be true but since all I can find is glowing reviews I went with the 24AWG CL2 Silver Plated High Speed cable for all 3D sources and PJ run. Well see (hopefully soon!).

4 6ftr's and a 25ft run cost me less than the one 25ft BetterCables brand I originally bought (and since returned!).
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Originally Posted by Mikenificent1 View Post

Whoever your secret Santa is, that was very nice of him! What a great guy.

No worries Mike, be patient (you should be used to that by now!).
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

Thanks man, everyone here deserves nothing less than my full stereoscopic attention i was lucky enough to be one of the first guys in the country to get the RS40, this is just my nerdy way of paying it forward and spreading some Christmas and Chanukah cheers

And that you have done my friend (except for the times we want to sock you in the stomach of course!)

Since Southwest has their $59 specials for January, may I suggest a HT-3D kick-off (Super Bowl), party at Sam's house!!
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Originally Posted by krichter1 View Post

They almost look too good to be true but since all I can find is glowing reviews I went with the 24AWG CL2 Silver Plated High Speed cable for all 3D sources and PJ run. Well see (hopefully soon!).

4 6ftr's and a 25ft run cost me less than the one 25ft BetterCables brand I originally bought (and since returned!).

Monoprice FTW!!!
post #937 of 9663
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Originally Posted by zbroke View Post

Netflix is OK. I watched 1 hour of Bones Season 2 on a cheapo Samsung BluRay player that streams with the Netflix app. My internet download speed is 12Mbps. The image was nice, clear picture but I would qualify it as light HD. Well worth the price of Netflix and for me it wont be a problem.

If you have access to Vudu I recommend giving it a try. Their HDX format which a lot of movies are available in are displayed at 1080p/24 and 5.1 sound. Big improvement over Netflix.
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Originally Posted by RevelMN View Post

Blu-ray only for me.

I agree. With all the time and investment in the HT I want to absolute highest quality video and audio, which none of the streaming services can come close to - especially in the audio department. That being said, Vudu is a second-best choice (yet still acceptable) when in a bind for more casual viewing.
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What is the best throw distance for rs40 on 109 inch screen?
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

I won't disagree with you one bit, companies go through good and bad customer service phases all the time. At the end of my "tenure" with Dish in July 2008, they would NOT honor any new HD package deals even though I was a good paying customer for 10 straight years. But they treated Joe Blow from down the corner, who was a new customer thinking of switching to DishNetowork and give up comcast or DirecTV, like a freakin Royalty (anythign you need, Free HD for eternity, 30 decades of free HBO, just sign up Mr Joe Blow!) while the loyal customers of 10-20 years simply got the shaft! So I said Up yours Dish! And hello DirecTV, in the past 3 years DirecTV has honored EVERY SINGLE NEW CUSTOMER PROMOTION with a simple phone call and of course a resetting of my 2 year contract. They gave me two free HD-DVRs, once in the first year, and then another the second year, plus another for 8 months ago for only $50 (all leased of course). Dish employees, at least in 2008, would have had the laugh of their lives hearing me ask for the same benefits. Then comes the DirecTV referal program which completely makes the Dish one look like a joke. Everyone knows that I am proud to be a Coloradan, a late one for that matter (I got here as fast as I could) and I am all about supporting businesses based in Colorado, big or small, hence why I got my RS40 from my local dealer, but DishNetwork is one colorado-based company that I wish would just up and move out of town overnight. Sorry if I am bitter, but a company that does not appreciate their loyal customers, has no business being in business.

And yes, I can connect any USB or e-Sata disks to all of my DirecTV HD-DVR. units


Yeah I agree with you they both don't do much for older customers but treat new ones like royalty...and that is just so wrong. I wonder if you were with DirecTV that long if they wouldn't treat you the same compared to a new customer.

Anyway I am getting my RS50 tomorrow and I am so excited, except no emitter or glasses until Thursday, so one night with 2D, which will be ok, I have alot of discs to check out since I have been using an Epson 1080 (non UB) for 4 years.
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ok, how long has the new jvc's been in house and set up?
why don't we have glorious screenshots showing what this thing can do and
how much better it is. i'm tired of the descriptions. PHOTOS please. please please!

even if you can't represent this unit in 3d in a photo how about 2d!! that's what i want to see. is there any improvement worth capturing in a photo?
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Originally Posted by JonStatt View Post

Gary..don't forget the other ones

1) Top/Bottom 3D mode doesn't seem to activate on 1080i or 1080p signals. Someone reported it may work with 720p

Top & Bottom works with 1080p 24, 720p 50/60 as listed in the spec. here.

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2) When resetting a picture preset CMD gets set to mode 4 instead of off

That is normal. Any future software updates will probably set it to off after a reset just for consistency.

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3) Not 100% sure if this is a bug and may only be on RS50. High power lamp starts on its own when 3D signal is received on THX preset, but on presets such as Natural, Stage, it stays on low.

This is as designed and is due to the THX 3D certification.
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Originally Posted by GaryB_UK View Post
Top & Bottom works with 1080p 24, 720p 50/60 as listed in the spec. here.



That is normal. Any future software updates will probably set it to off after a reset just for consistency.



This is as designed and is due to the THX 3D certification.
Thanks for the replies Gary. I didn't spot the subtle difference in supported resolutions/frequencies between modes before. It seems a strange restriction for top/bottom but as you say, its in the spec!!

I realise this is off topic as an RS50 specific thing now, but as for the THX 3D certification; that implies it is intended that we watch 3D using the THX preset. Now this will raise the lamp power correctly, so thats a good start. But from what I can see, it does not change the colour temperature to help compensate for the tint of the glasses. So I am not quite sure what THX are intending there.
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Regarding ansi-contrast, a reviewer here in Norway did some measurements from a pre-production X7 and a VW90. He used ansi-checkerboard-pattern. The room was not 100% ideal, the X7 measured 275:1 and the VW 300:1.
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Originally Posted by JonStatt View Post
By the way, does anyone have a PS3 and one of these projectors? Please try Motorstorm Pacific Drift 3D. It is ghosting city. It is so far worse than anything else I have seen. I don't know if its the game, the fact its 720p or something else. Its available on the PSN store as both a demo and full game.
Yes my son tried this last night - poor 3d (bad ghosting) confirmed, even with the correct screen size setting.
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Gary

Perhaps you missed this post from yesterday - any feedback you can provide? Thanks

Gary -

What about the "blue flashing" and red/green fringing when CMD modes 1 or 2 are enabled? Is this something that can be addressed via firmware, or is it intrinsic in the hardware?

Also, will it ever be possible to have BFI and FI operational together (which might help the flashing/fringing) as opposed to either/or?

Thanks
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post
Yes my son tried this last night - poor 3d (bad ghosting) confirmed, even with the correct screen size setting.
Thanks for reporting back. I'm glad it isn't just me!! It is odd how this one is so poor compared to others. Yet doing a google, some people seem fine with it on certain displays.
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Incidentally it is worth understanding the limitations of the HDMI 1.4a spec.

The valid frame packed resolutions for 3D are

720p 50/60Hz
1080i 50/60Hz
1080p 24Hz


Note there is NO 3D 1080p 50/60. This is not possible over HDMI currently. So for games, the only viable upgrade over the 720p we have now with the PS3 is 1080i. You certainly wouldn't want to run a game at 24Hz!

The alternative is to use Side-by-side at 1080p/60. But then of course you are halving your horizontal resolution
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Originally Posted by JonStatt View Post
Incidentally it is worth understanding the limitations of the HDMI 1.4a spec.

The valid frame packed resolutions for 3D are

720p 50/60Hz
1080i 50/60Hz
1080p 24Hz

Note there is NO 3D 1080p 50/60. This is not possible over HDMI currently.
Sorry, you're wrong. Next time please consult the spec before making such posts. The 3D portion of the HDMI 1.4a spec is publically available here for download here:

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/specification.aspx

Frame packing 3D 1080p50/60 is part of the spec, see the listing "Secondary 3D Video Format Timings".
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Originally Posted by blee0120
I'm loving the Anime mode on video games, it just brings more detail to color to the game. Avatar and any other animated movie jumps out at you. I am going crazy here wanting an emitter to play ps3 and NVIDIA games in 3D.
I'am eager to know if the JVC is compatible with NVIDIA 3dvision games! Let us know !!!

Cyril
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Originally Posted by cyrilp

I'am eager to know if the JVC is compatible with NVIDIA 3dvision games! Let us know !!!

Cyril
My emitter and glasses should be coming Friday, hoping for Thursday
post #953 of 9663
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Originally Posted by madshi View Post
Sorry, you're wrong. Next time please consult the spec before making such posts. The 3D portion of the HDMI 1.4a spec is publically available here for download here:

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/specification.aspx

Frame packing 3D 1080p50/60 is part of the spec, see the listing "Secondary 3D Video Format Timings".
I made my comment based on several websites which state it as a limitation. I did not consult with the actual spec document because those websites are supposed to be trusted sources. And note that JVC projectors do not support it either. The problem seems to be bandwidth with curent chips/cables.

To my point, as no TV or projector I can find supports it, my comment about PS3 games holds.


For an example of a website , see
http://proavmagazine.com/3d-technolo...-3d-video.aspx

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Frame-packed 3D. This is the standard for 3D Blu-ray players now entering the market. Of the 3D standards in the HDMI 1.4a spec, frame-packed 3D delivers the highest native resolution from the source—true 1080p to each eye. Although the native frame rate of the source is only 24 frames per second (fps) per eye, triple-flash processing the signal, in which a projector repeats the process three times per frame using the same approach used in commercial cinemas, can produce a very good 3D experience. It’s also possible for 1280x720 native 3D to be delivered in a similar frame-packed format, but at 60 fps per eye. This could be used for 3D delivery where bandwidth is less than what Blu-ray offers.

Wikipedia shows the maximum resolution for HDMI 1.4 is 4096×2160p24
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI_1.4#Version_1.4
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The HDMI 1.4a spec. defines a limited set of 3D formats as mandatory and for which any 3DTV display claiming HDMI 1.4a compliance must support (these are listed in the sticky Basic 3D Video FAQ thread in the 3D Display Forum). Also there are quite a few other 3D formats defined within the spec. but support for these are not required and thus a manufacturer of a 3D source device cannot assume will generally be supported by 3D displays. However, if a given manufacturer wants to build both a 3D source and a compatible 3D display using one of these other formats, the spec. provides a standard way to do this. Also any 3D source is required to support at least one of the mandatory 3D formats (as listed in table 8-15 of the HDMI 1.4a spec.). Specifically the 1080p/60 frame packing format is listed as being a "Secondary Format" , thus it is an optional format that a given manufacturers could choose to implement in addition to the required mandatory format(s). To date there are no HDMI chips that support the 1080p/60 frame packing 3D mode nor does the Blu-ray 3D spec. support this mode.
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Originally Posted by JonStatt View Post
I made my comment based on several websites which state it as a limitation.
Neither of the two links you posted state it as a limitation! But even if they did, it wouldn't matter much. The spec is 100% clear.

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Originally Posted by JonStatt View Post
And note that JVC projectors do not support it either. The problem seems to be bandwidth with curent chips/cables.

To my point, as no TV or projector I can find supports it, my comment about PS3 games holds.
The HDMI chips used in most of today's hardware are not fast enough to actually send/receive frame packed 3D 1080p50/60, that's quite true. But that's a simple hardware limitation of the current chip generation and has nothing to do with the HDMI spec. You need to strictly separate the spec from specific hardware implementations of the spec. FWIW, the soon to come Denon AVR-5308 replacement is rumoured to get high-speed HDMI chips capable of doing frame packed 3D 1080p50/60. And probably in 2011 and 2012 many more receivers, displays and projectors will follow with full speed HDMI 1.4a chips and with support for frame packed 3D 1080p50/60.
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post
The HDMI 1.4a spec. defines a limited set of 3D formats as mandatory and for which any 3DTV display claiming HDMI 1.4a compliance must support (these are listed in the sticky 3D Display FAQ thread in the 3D Display Forum). Also there a quite a few other 3D formats defined within the spec. but support for these are not required and thus a manufacturer of a 3D source device cannot assume will generally be supported by 3D displays. However, if a given manufacturer wants to build both a 3D source and a compatible 3D display using one of these other formats, the spec. provides a standard way to do this. Also any 3D source is required to support at least one of the mandatory 3D formats (as listed in table 8-15 of the HDMI 1.4a spec.). Specifically the 1080p/60 frame packing format is listed as being a "Secondary Format" , thus it is an optional format that a given manufacturers could choose to implement in addition to the required mandatory format(s).
Correct.

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nor does the Blu-ray 3D spec. support this mode.
The Blu-Ray 3D spec does not support 3D 1080p60 *encoding*, but it also does not support 2D 1080p60 encoding. But still a Blu-Ray player can choose to deinterlace a 2D 1080i60 music concert and send it to the display as 2D 1080p60. In the same way, a Blu-Ray player could choose to deinterlace a 3D 1080i60 music concert to 3D 1080p60 and then send it to the display as frame packed 3D 1080p60. To my best knowledge, a Blu-Ray player is free to send 2D and 3D content in any resolution and frame rate it wants - as long as HDCP is active, of course.
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Originally Posted by krichter1 View Post
No worries Mike, be patient (you should be used to that by now!).
I know, patience is a virtue. I don't want to miss the boat like in "2012" though lol.
post #958 of 9663
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Originally Posted by bosng View Post
why don't we have glorious screenshots showing what this thing can do and
how much better it is. i'm tired of the descriptions. PHOTOS please. please please!
Why don't you read the thread? If you did you would see screenshots were already posted by 2 users, some of them really good.
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Originally Posted by madshi View Post
Neither of the two links you posted state it as a limitation! But even if they did, it wouldn't matter much. The spec is 100% clear.


The HDMI chips used in most of today's hardware are not fast enough to actually send/receive frame packed 3D 1080p50/60, that's quite true. But that's a simple hardware limitation of the current chip generation and has nothing to do with the HDMI spec. You need to strictly separate the spec from specific hardware implementations of the spec. FWIW, the soon to come Denon AVR-5308 replacement is rumoured to get high-speed HDMI chips capable of doing frame packed 3D 1080p50/60. And probably in 2011 and 2012 many more receivers, displays and projectors will follow with full speed HDMI 1.4a chips and with support for frame packed 3D 1080p50/60.
Do you know of any upcoming sources that will playback 1080p/60 frame packed 3D? That must look incredible.

PS Never mind, I saw your response to Ron.
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Monoprice does not have any high speed HDMI cable over 25 ft. I have gone to customers homes that have had mono in lengths over 25 ft and it just does not cut the cheese. Be careful on the spec you have.
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