Official JVC RS40/X3 Owners Thread - Page 317

I tried setup instructions on X103s but when I hold power button for a 10 seconds, the led comes on and ten goes our. It never blinks more than once. It never seems to get into programming mode. Any thoughts?

I want to check the convergence of my RS40 using DVE disk. What pattern in their library of test patterns is the best to do that with. As an alternative, does anyone have a pattern they can send to me that would work well for this purpose. I've used the patterns internal to the projector and if my memory serves me correctly, none of them are exactly right.

Do you mean your particular projector isn't "exactly right" when displaying the patterns? The patterns themselves in the JVC are all right, it is just not as easy to evaluate as other patterns. The JVC patterns can be used.

If you're looking for different patterns, the free AVS HD 709 disc has single-pixel lines suitable for convergence evaluation on the following patterns:

• Crosshatch with Circles
• Small 1080p Crosshatch
• Horizontal Convergence
• Vertical Convergence
• Mixed Convergence

 

I think one in the service menu does a very nice job. It's one of the last (right arrow instead of left) that shows each color (separately) across the entire image in line with the other colors. You can instantly see what's off where...

Wow! I read through the narrative. I'm slightly computer literate but this looked very complex. Also, my PC does not have a blue ray burner. Is it possible for you to send me those images and could I then burn them to a dvd that my BR player could display?

I don't have the raw images - however, the AVCHD version can be burned directly to a DVD, it does not need to be a Blu-ray.

The AVCHD version doesn't have the horizontal/vertical/mixed convergence patterns, but those are pretty much the same as the JVC's service menu patterns anyway.

Well my rs40 is at 560 hours on the new 003 bulb, it has been running in high altitude mode the entire time, and its still putting out a lovely image!

My original bulb lasted over 700 hours, the second bulb just over 400 hours. So I'm hopeful it may make 1000 hours, course I know what the odds are. How is everyone else faring with the new bulb?

is the RS40 better than the Epson 5020?
and how much should i expect to pay fpr a used one?
also is the warranty transferable?
Edited by domingos38 - 12/30/12 at 4:37pm

I'm at just under 500 hours on a version 3 bulb. Last night I did a quick re calibration, which is something I do whenever I change a piece of equipment (in this case I'm reviewing a Marantz 8801). In low power (with high altitude on as well), I'm getting about 10.4fL as measured by Calman, which is loss of 5.5fL when the bulb was new (iris all the way open). This is about to be expected though. If I go to High power, I can get 16fL (calibrated) with the iris at -3, but the projector sounds like a hair dryer!

I was almost ready to pull the trigger on an X55 but I think I'll wait at least a month and see how the bulb is holding up and read about reports from X55 users on how well the projector is working for them.

The RS40 is a better 2D projector so it really matters what your main viewing content will be. I thought about selling my RS40 before the RS4810 came out and since my warranty is still good for another 4-5 months I looked to see if the warranty is transferable and according to JVC it is NOT transferable. I decided to keep my RS40 because of the low resell value which seems to be in the $1500-$2000 range, which is too cheap for this projector.

Mike

Totally agree...I think the bulb issues screwed all of us on resell value.

Dave,

It definitely did plus they lowered the MSRP on the RS45 by $1000 vs the RS40 so those 2 things killed the RS40's resell value thus taking away my option to upgrade to the RS4810 this year without losing too much. I still love my RS40 but it would've been nice to try eshift2 this year. Hopefully next year I can get a totally new model with higher native contrast, more lumens, and either eshift3 or true 4k but I'm not holding my breath.

Mike

Yup. I know I would never touch one, even if they came down to $1000. Just too much bulb angst. There are better options out there, including from JVC!

Thus far the 3rd generation bulbs are holding up MUCH better than the first two I had. JVC did right by replacing them though.

I just bought a avs b stock rs40 coming from a Sony hw10... I am still blown away by the cinematic quality of the images. I don't care about resolution as much as great blacks so I will only upgrade when jvc contrast levels make another big leap forward to get us closer to CRT level depth....the rs40 is very very good though so all it takes is another leap forward I think we will be there.

I'm still amazed at how good a properly calibrated RS40 looks.

Having had and been generally very satisfied with an RS40 for 2 years, I just got a 5020 yesterday to try out. As i mentioned earlier in this thread, the JVC stopped sending IR to the 3D glasses.
I really love the 40 for 2D, but I've always been a bit disappointed in the 3D, so took this as a sign from the fates that it was time to explore.

There's NO QUESTION that the 5020 is brighter and the 3D is much better, not just the brightness which is critical, but for ghosting which so far I find virtually nonexistent on the Epson.
I've done no calibration and watched little 2D content, but I'd say the 2D picture is still a bit more refined on the JVC, although I think with calibration the Epson will be no slouch.

So if you don't care about 3D and have a good light-controlled environment, the JVC's for you. If you love 3D, high lumens or have a light issue in your screening room, the Epson's the way to go.
So far this model looks like a great bang for the buck.

S A M 33

Measurements for my 003 lamp at 960 hours:

Normal: 89 LUX
High: 118 LUX

When the lamp was new on 4/18/12, at 0 hours the measurements were as follow:
Normal: 127 LUX
High: 198 LUX

Throw is around 14 feet projecting on a 128" diagonal screen with aperture at 0. Non calibrated.

Percentage wise, that's similar to what I've experienced (although you have about 400 more hours than I do).

I've begun looking into replacements, so far the JVC 4810 is the front runner. I know other brands have brighter 3D, but at least the new gen seems to have massively reduced the crosstalk, and 2D still represents better than 99% of what's watched. And like the guy above, all the reviews I've read all say some brands come close to the jvc black levels and overall refinement, but don't surpass them.

I've just sent my RS40 off to have the 3D emitting fixed since it's under warranty, but I have to tell you, if you area at all into 3D the new Epson 5020 just smokes the RS40 for both brightness and crosstalk. I'm pretty sure I'll be keeping mine, and probably go the 2 projector route as I still like the 2D image better on the JVC, but the Epson is in fact pretty good - I have a long throw and a dark theater, so the Epson has pretty good blacks too, but the picture is not quite as "smooth" and refined as the D-ILA image. It just has a "richness" that the Epson can't quite match, even with a little calibration. I've done a pretty solid A/B now and can confirm that first hand. You never notice it in 3D however.

S A M 33
Edited by S A M 33 - 1/5/13 at 6:21am

I've had my X3 projector for about 2 years before the exact same behaviour occurred.
Sent it to the service. Got it back after 3 weeks.
Worked fine for about 2 days, now it started to happen all over again.

The unit randomly just starts to go into some kind of 'freeze mode'. While in that mode you can continue watching whatever you're watching right now. But showing the menu or the Lens Control screen gets really slow.
When you change the HDMI signal while in that mode (e.g. stopping the movie so the signal changes from 1080p24 to 1080p60), the screen goes black and the only thing you can do is pull the plug.

Did you get any response from JVC?

Did your IR Receiver (for the remote) started to get less sensitive too, just about that time when the lock ups started to happen? I do now have to point the remote into the direction of the pj instead of just relying on the screen reflection. Plus after I got the pj back from service, the remote worked perfectly fine again (during projector setup). But that was just for a couple of minutes!

Michael

I asked this question in another thread, but got no response. My RS40 is at a short 12'3" throw for a 110' diagonal 2:35 screen. The idea is to stop down the lens, and as the bulb ages to open it up and keep the brightness/contrast level about the same. Is not changing the aperture of the lens roughly the same as changing the throw distance as far as the brightness/contrast ratio is concerned, or am I missing something?

I can move the ceiling mount back to increase the throw now, easier than later, if I'm wrong.

I would move the projector back as far as possible, that will maximize potential contrast, then start with a closed iris and open it up little by little as the bulb ages. Your contrast will reduce as you open the iris, but that is really unavoidable. As to which affects your contrast more (i.e. throw vs. iris) I don't know, though I've seen somewhere (perhaps a German review?) where they gave contrast measurements for short throw closed iris, short throw open iris, long throw closed iris, long throw open iris. That would probably answer your question.

I have the same problem, it started after I sent the projector back for unrelated repairs in long beach (they wanted to inspect the unit before replacing the second burst bulb). Now they want me to pay another $70+ to ship it back, I'm frankly sort of tired dealing with these issues.

JVC screwed up on the bulb, we all know that, and in general they have tried to make up for that issue. But, I think they were trying to save face when the asked me to send the unit in for the second burst bulb (I also noticed that there was some sautering mentioned on the repair sheet when they sent it back). I'm kind of upset that it came back from Long Beach having this remote problem from day one, I assume they screwed something up when they opened it up (unnecessarily I might add). Also, I can no longer autocalibrate the projector using the serial port on the back, seems something they did screwed that up too, since it worked perfectly before.

In short, this projector kind of sucks to own, until you turn it on and watch a good movie. When this is calibrated (I use a lumagen) it looks simply stunning. I think we all just wish that the lamps and electronics were up to the task of day to day viewing. Hopefully I will get JVC to fix mine up, but it is still going to cost me at least $70 more, a small price to pay, but money is tight now and I already paid ~$3500 for the projector, I thought that would be enough for a nice mid level projector but apparently I was wrong.

Also, anyone else having trouble telephoning the repair center? I'm kind of playing phone tag with them (admittedly I called about 6 or 7 times, they called me once).

All of these things happened to mine. I took it to long beach center and they replaced the system board. All of my problems have since disappeared save one. The colors seem to change more than they should after about 1/2 hour of use.

Thanks for the response. I'll look around for the comparison info you mentioned, but maybe I'm making too big a deal of this.

How do they change? Is it a general shift to red or green, or something more screwy? Also, you may already be doing this, but it seems to be a good idea to run in high altitude mode, no matter what (it maximizes cooling I guess).

According to this chart from cine4home.de the throw distance makes only a slight difference for the contrast ratio (plus or minus 3K), the iris though has a large impact (plus or minus 11K):

Edited by 3dmaven - 1/6/13 at 8:34pm

Thanks, just the info I needed. Looks like my original idea to use a short throw and close down the lens is the better option.