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post #9751 of 9972

yes,i assume that one could go through the Menu to switch to modes A/B (3D) without having to cycle through the non-3D A/B/C/D/Custom gamma modes.

tt

post #9752 of 9972
Just buy a IR to 1/8 jack cable. They are like 3$. There's a plug in the back for the 1/8 plug and tape the "eye" on the front. Works as well as the old one and they are easy and cheap to replace
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post #9754 of 9972
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Originally Posted by depew23 View Post

Just buy a IR to 1/8 jack cable. They are like 3$. There's a plug in the back for the 1/8 plug and tape the "eye" on the front. Works as well as the old one and they are easy and cheap to replace

This is great idea, thank u very much. Will give it a shot smile.gif
post #9755 of 9972
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Originally Posted by ana_moo_ana View Post

many thanks, this is a good idea, but sadly I'm limited in space not sure if this trick will work.
yes, it work for sometime then the IR stop working again. Not sure if this will help, but I'm planning to do the firmware update when I'm about to change the lamp.

About the lamp, what is the best place to order one (003), I found ebay have some with good price (under 300$) but not sure which version and how trusted they are.

I plan to buy my lamp from AVS when it goes bad. I have an 001 with 400 hours on it, I haven't noticed any significant dimming yet. But I have it in a cool basement and running on high altitude mode. Not sure if that makes a difference.
post #9756 of 9972
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Originally Posted by ay221 View Post

I plan to buy my lamp from AVS when it goes bad. I have an 001 with 400 hours on it, I haven't noticed any significant dimming yet. But I have it in a cool basement and running on high altitude mode. Not sure if that makes a difference.

yeah AVS seems the best choice smile.gif will contact them for a quote
post #9757 of 9972
Haven't posted in a long time, but thought I would give some feedback on my personal experience with the -002 variant bulb that shipped with my B stock RS40 purchased from AVS a couple of years ago.

I've always run my projector in high altitude mode... While the projector is slightly audible in that mode with no programming, neither I nor anyone who has ever watched any programming at my home has ever noticed the projector while viewing content. Running HD audio at reference level... the projector fan is pretty much a non-issue... LOL

My setup is such that the projector is mounted upright. I have it sitting on a shelf in my master closet, which is directly behind my viewing room. I had a hole cut through when my home was built with normal moldings around the perimeter of the rectangular opening. The master closet is a walk in design of significant size and I had an A/C duct also installed in it to keep temperatures in check. So far I have seen no appreciable elevated temperatures in the closet. Since the hot air vents out the front of the projector, I don't expect it will ever be an issue.

Operating in this manner, I now have over 1300 hours on the bulb and while it is certainly not as bright as when I first started using it... I've had no issues whatsoever from the lamp. I am using a Da-lite HP screen and used the iris to initially cut down the brightness a bit. Over time I've had to open it more to restore brightness, but it still seems very good to date.

I don't have a light meter to directly measure the actual lux readings, but subjectively, brightness does not seem to be an issue at all.

Maybe I've just been lucky, but I'm thinking the mounting position and increased airflow of the high altitude mode have eliminated the early failures so many others have reported.

I think I'll order a replacement -003 bulb early next year and keep my current bulb as an emergency backup in case I have a total failure some night when entertaining others.

In my setup, I installed a framed picture so that it covers the opening when not in use. It is on a hinge so I simply swing it open while seated on the couch. My screen is a dual masking electric model that drops down just in front of my "regular" 67" RP TV. I use a Denon 3312CI to feed both the RP TV and the JVC simultaneously. Since the projector gets it's control signals by IR, when the picture is in the normal position, the projector remains off for regular viewing and comes on when I want to watch in that mode and have swung the picture open.

I use a Logitech 890 to control everything, so it is very easy for my family to use the system. By putting a pass through command on the activities that would use either display to control the TV/projector power, the electric screen controls and the projector menu/control "soft" buttons, it is a pretty easy system to control. The only "exception" is that when not using the projector, I have to be sure not to point the remote in the forward direction when selecting an activity that would use the projector, so the screen doesn't come down.

I even defined a macro button for Cinemascope on the Logitech that brings up the lens control function, moving it to the zoom setting initially, and raises the outer masks, exposing the 2.35:1 full screen... Hopefully I'll be able to afford one of the newer models with the zoom/shift memory to make it even more "automatic" to switch between HDTV and Cinemascope modes. I had the opening pretty centered on the screen, so only very slight shift is required. I initially had it set so that no shift was required, but in adjusting other things, it must have moved the projector slightly. Since the shift is remote controlled, it has not been much of an issue.

AaronS
post #9758 of 9972
The front IR sensor on my RS40 stopped working. I have to aim the remote at the back of the projector to get it to turn on. I tried to unplug it from power for a few days but that did not help. Anyone else experience such failure? I wonder how much this would cost to repair since it's out of warranty. Is there some board I could swap myself?
post #9759 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Wizziwig View Post

The front IR sensor on my RS40 stopped working. I have to aim the remote at the back of the projector to get it to turn on. I tried to unplug it from power for a few days but that did not help. Anyone else experience such failure? I wonder how much this would cost to repair since it's out of warranty. Is there some board I could swap myself?

In mine it was the LED&IR PWB that was replaced and then my front IR sensor has worked ever since. Mine was repaired under warranty so I don't know cost. I can't imagine it being too hard to replace but who knows where it is located and what has to be removed to get to it though. If it were me and warranty was out, like mine is now I would buy an IR transmitter box($40-$50) and put it where it hits the back IR sensor and then place the other IR transmitter box where your remote hits it.

Mike
post #9760 of 9972
Well my RS40 B Stock from AVS just had its second lamp failure at 700 hours. It was a 003 bulb with flapper, lasted about 200 hours. I guess I'm out of luck as far as another replacement (first lamp that came with the projector lasted 500 hours). I'm still 8 months under warranty and I'm very frustrated right now.

What are these lamps rated at, 2000, 3000 hours?

This 003 lamp started flickering. I switched to high power and it stopped, but as soon as I switch back to normal power, the flickering returns. Doesn't that mean it's about to blow up? Can I safely run it on high power without risk of explosion?

I've been advised to run the lamp on high power for a couple of hours instead of a couple of minutes and that this is somewhat normal lamp behavior (flicker). Hopefully, that will resolve the issue and it is not another lamp failure. Will report back with results.
Edited by bub - 11/19/13 at 12:17pm
post #9761 of 9972
I'd just run the lamp in high. I don't think flickering indicates an explosion is imminent . Just FYI I've never gotten more than 750 hours out of any lamp in any projector I've owned. They get too dim for my tastes. Hopefully you can get more hours out of that lamp though.
post #9762 of 9972
The 003 lamps haven't had many failures reported here so hopefully your projector isn't at fault. I think the lamps are rated for 2,000 but the rated life usually means the lamp has lost half it's brightness and should be replaced. When you have a flickering bulb it is generally recommended to run projector on high for a few hours and usually afterwards it won't flicker anymore on normal lamp mode. High lamp mode shouldn't cause an explosion as that would mean you just have a bad bulb and/or projector issue and it would even explode it normal lamp mode. If you have any more lamp issues you should send projector in for warranty service. It could be a projector issue that is the problem cause like I said earlier the 003 lamps have been reliable.

Good Luck,
Mike
post #9763 of 9972
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Originally Posted by mbw23air View Post

In mine it was the LED&IR PWB that was replaced and then my front IR sensor has worked ever since. Mine was repaired under warranty so I don't know cost. I can't imagine it being too hard to replace but who knows where it is located and what has to be removed to get to it though. If it were me and warranty was out, like mine is now I would buy an IR transmitter box($40-$50) and put it where it hits the back IR sensor and then place the other IR transmitter box where your remote hits it.

Mike

Wow, I should have done more research. I didn't know there were other people with the same failure. Example:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1296327/official-jvc-rs40-x3-owners-thread/9690#post_23571417

Looks like these projectors were real lemons. Bulb issues, HDMI lockups, IR failure, etc. I'm on the JVC RS57 pre-order list but I'm having some doubts if it's wise to stick with JVC. I suppose they must have ironed out all the bugs from this design by now.

I pity the fool who buys their first true 4K projector on a new chassis next year. rolleyes.gif
post #9764 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Wizziwig View Post

Wow, I should have done more research. I didn't know there were other people with the same failure. Example:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1296327/official-jvc-rs40-x3-owners-thread/9690#post_23571417

Looks like these projectors were real lemons. Bulb issues, HDMI lockups, IR failure, etc. I'm on the JVC RS57 pre-order list but I'm having some doubts if it's wise to stick with JVC. I suppose they must have ironed out all the bugs from this design by now.

I pity the fool who buys their first true 4K projector on a new chassis next year. rolleyes.gif

Do you realize how many units JVC sells a year? A lot more than you probably think. So when you hear a couple bad stories about a few units that broke down you're completely turned off by the product as a whole? Take a step back and realize that by far and large most of the time people who aren't having issues with their product (ie the vast majority of owners) do not post in a thread like this. So yes, while there are plenty of issues people had with their units in this thread that number pales in comparison to how many units are working perfectly fine. I would say the only major issue with these projectors are the lamps and those are something you can easily remedy by getting the newest revision lamp. All the other issues are few and far between and do NOT affect the vast majority of the RS40s.

This isn't about you specifically, but, I have to say that projector owners are by far the pickiest consumers out there....I've never seen so many people take months and months to make a decision on what to buy. They pour over countless threads asking the same question six different ways and when they finally get the answer they're looking for they still don't make the purchase. People should not be looking at a few horror stories and be thinking they know the product as a whole. Every product out there has lemons, but the vast majority of products sold are not....obviously. So please don't be afraid to purchase a JVC because more than likely the unit you receive will work 100%, like most other units.
post #9765 of 9972
Thanks fellas. I ran high power for a couple of hours and then switched back to normal and the flickering went away (at least for the next 2 hours I ran the projector). This lamp is the 003 with flapper and about 200 hours on it. It was a replacement for the original lamp out of my B stock about 16 months old. That original ran about 500 hours before dimming a ton overnight.

I've had no other issues with my RS40 at all. I think I had one HDMI lockup switching inputs once, had to pull the plug on the projector for awhile. Been perfect since. No remote issues at all. Throws a very pleasing image and overall I'm happy with it. Just annoyed at the lamp failures. Seems to me that JVC, and AVS, were more willing and eager at the beginning of all the lamp failures to assure users that they would stand behind all the lamp failure issues, but less interested lately.

I just ordered another lamp, just in case. I'm also frustrated that, because of the lamp issue, my projector will not have the resale value it should have when I decide it's time to upgrade. JVC's taking money out of my pocket and I don't appreciate it. So, bottom line, I'm overall happy with the RS40 but soured on JVC and AVS somewhat because of the lamp issues.

Thanks again for the help all.
post #9766 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Seegs108 View Post

Do you realize how many units JVC sells a year? A lot more than you probably think. So when you hear a couple bad stories about a few units that broke down you're completely turned off by the product as a whole? Take a step back and realize that by far and large most of the time people who aren't having issues with their product (ie the vast majority of owners) do not post in a thread like this. So yes, while there are plenty of issues people had with their units in this thread that number pales in comparison to how many units are working perfectly fine. I would say the only major issue with these projectors are the lamps and those are something you can easily remedy by getting the newest revision lamp. All the other issues are few and far between and do NOT affect the vast majority of the RS40s.

This is 100% spot on. It is a piece of electronic equipment designed and built by humans. Failures can and will happen.

I can add to this by saying that 20 years ago I did telephone tech support for HP, (Yes..back in the days when you actually had to know something because there were no scripts) the phones were always busy with callers having issues with their deskjet printers. All in all, given the number of callers we handled a day it was still less than 1% of the total people who bought printers called in for help.

My projector is on the way to Mendtronix this very moment for repair. My biggest fear is they will not be able to reproduce the issue and say nothing is wrong. Did the issues people had with the RS40 had keep me from buying one? Nope. Would I buy another JVC? Yes I would. After installing a Sony HW-30 in someone's theater I still give the nod to JVC for PQ in 2D. Don't get me wrong the Sony is a nice projector.
post #9767 of 9972
hmmm. Had a CRT projector for eight years. I replaced one focus board to the tune of $250. I think consumers are entitled to purchase a reliable product, especially since luxury dollars are getting harder and harder to come by.

My bulb too has become almost unwatchable seemingly overnight. I made it to 1350 hours. But having owned a CRT I can watch a pretty dark picture. The good news is I can almost pay for a bulb with what I saved in electricity.

However, I had always thought of JVC as a company that produces unreliable products. I thought this experience might be different, but it wasn't. So, my next purchase, if there is a competitor that can produce as good a picture, will not be a JVC. But every time I have troubles with it, it comes down to the picture and that is pretty darn good.
post #9768 of 9972
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So, bottom line, I'm overall happy with the RS40 but soured on JVC and AVS somewhat because of the lamp issues.

Sorry you aren't happy Bub. Didn't you get a replacement lamp? We do our best to provide the best customer service, but we can only do so much. JVC isn't going to give each person 2 or 3 free lamps.
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What are these lamps rated at, 2000, 3000 hours?
These are just estimates and probably under ideal conditions. Have you ever actually gotten 50,000 miles out of a set of tires? I haven't. Anyway, I just did a quick calculation - if I watch 500 - 2 hour movies, and a lamp costs $ 400.00, that's 80 cents a movie for the lamp. I'll drink $ 22 - $ 30.00 of wine during each movie ( with guests ). That's $ 11,000 - $ 15,000 in wine. Lamps are cheap. cool.gif
post #9769 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Craig Peer View Post

Sorry you aren't happy Bub. Didn't you get a replacement lamp? We do our best to provide the best customer service, but we can only do so much. JVC isn't going to give each person 2 or 3 free lamps.
These are just estimates and probably under ideal conditions. Have you ever actually gotten 50,000 miles out of a set of tires? I haven't. Anyway, I just did a quick calculation - if I watch 500 - 2 hour movies, and a lamp costs $ 400.00, that's 80 cents a movie for the lamp. I'll drink $ 22 - $ 30.00 of wine during each movie ( with guests ). That's $ 11,000 - $ 15,000 in wine. Lamps are cheap. cool.gif

Yes, I did get a lamp replacement when the original lamp in my B stock RS40 lost 80% of its brightness at 500 hours (thank you very much AVS and JVC). The new lamp now has a little over 200 hours on it and I thought the flickering was an indication that the lamp was going to blow up (I've heard horror stories about lamps blowing and I didn't want to risk it). I've been advised to run the lamp on high power, which I did last night for 3 hours. When switching back to normal power, the flicker was gone, at least for the 2 hours I watched on normal).

The problem I have is, even though I had one lamp replaced, I've only got about 700 hours on my unit, a little over 200 on the replacement lamp (version 003) and even though it looks like it is going to be ok, I wasn't pleased to find out that neither JVC nor AVS were going to stand behind my unit, even though it has a 2 year warranty AND there are KNOWN issues with the lamps. Had my lamp flickering actually been the end for it, I wouldn't have gotten any consideration from either JVC or AVS. I think a lamp rated at 3000 hours on normal power (which is how my lamp has been run), and only getting 500 hours and 200 hours, total 700 hours, demonstrates a continuing problem that should have been addressed by the factory and/or the seller. In this case, I was told I was on my own and it would be my responsibility to pay for a new lamp. I half way expected it from JVC, but was completely surprised by AVS.

I don't agree with the analogies that lamps are relatively cheap so if your 3000 hour lamp only gets 500 hours, it's still a good deal OR since I always replace my lamp before 700 hours, then it doesn't matter if the 3000 hour lamp dies after only 23% of its rated expectancy, I should be ok with it. Maybe if I lease a new car every year, who cares if some cars blow up after 12,500 miles leaving the owners completely responsible???

Bottom line, the problem I have is this (the short life span of JVC lamps) is a KNOWN ISSUE. I don't respect a company that has a KNOWN ISSUE and washes their hands of the expense incurred by owners in using their products, and I'm still under warranty!

I apologize as I don't mean to offend anybody, it's just pretty frustrating to find out that, in this case, nobody is standing behind their products or services.
post #9770 of 9972
Your 200 hour lamp is still working, is it not? I thought you said the flickering ( which can happen to any number of projector lamps - not just JVC's ) had stopped, and the lamp was now OK, after running it on high lamp ? Keep using it - if it quits working, give me a call.

My first Lumis lamp wasn't as bright as I thought it should be - too dim at only 450 hours, just FYI. I paid $ 850.00 for a new one.
post #9771 of 9972
Anyone buy a lamp from Provantage, NextWarehouse or Lampedia? How would one know that they're getting an 003 version lamp?

I know Lampedia is third party and I'm concerned about the optics/color specs being the same. They are the cheapest. It might be for a reason.

Also, I see model number PK-L2210UP and the manual says PK-L2210U. Are these compatible?
Edited by Crescent - 11/22/13 at 6:07am
post #9772 of 9972

i see,I will set the projector up on a table with the Oppo 93 connected to it directly. What sucks for me is that it will not go through the receiver for audio from the Oppo. I might as well watch some old Chaplin movies.thanks

tDO6ls

post #9773 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Crescent View Post

Anyone buy a lamp from Provantage, NextWarehouse or Lampedia? How would one know that they're getting an 003 version lamp?

I know Lampedia is third party and I'm concerned about the optics/color specs being the same. They are the cheapest. It might be for a reason.

Also, I see model number PK-L2210UP and the manual says PK-L2210U. Are these compatible?

Decided to buy from AVS. I trust them to get me the right version, although this cost me about $70 more than Provantage and Nextwarehouse, over $100 from Lampedia. They were also able to ship it faster. Also, I wanted to support the host of the forum, so it was an easier decision than I thought.

$410 is still large. I'll keep buying lamps until LED projectors are more reasonably priced.
post #9774 of 9972
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Originally Posted by bub View Post

Yes, I did get a lamp replacement when the original lamp in my B stock RS40 lost 80% of its brightness at 500 hours (thank you very much AVS and JVC). The new lamp now has a little over 200 hours on it and I thought the flickering was an indication that the lamp was going to blow up (I've heard horror stories about lamps blowing and I didn't want to risk it). I've been advised to run the lamp on high power, which I did last night for 3 hours. When switching back to normal power, the flicker was gone, at least for the 2 hours I watched on normal).

The problem I have is, even though I had one lamp replaced, I've only got about 700 hours on my unit, a little over 200 on the replacement lamp (version 003) and even though it looks like it is going to be ok, I wasn't pleased to find out that neither JVC nor AVS were going to stand behind my unit, even though it has a 2 year warranty AND there are KNOWN issues with the lamps. Had my lamp flickering actually been the end for it, I wouldn't have gotten any consideration from either JVC or AVS. I think a lamp rated at 3000 hours on normal power (which is how my lamp has been run), and only getting 500 hours and 200 hours, total 700 hours, demonstrates a continuing problem that should have been addressed by the factory and/or the seller. In this case, I was told I was on my own and it would be my responsibility to pay for a new lamp. I half way expected it from JVC, but was completely surprised by AVS.

I don't agree with the analogies that lamps are relatively cheap so if your 3000 hour lamp only gets 500 hours, it's still a good deal OR since I always replace my lamp before 700 hours, then it doesn't matter if the 3000 hour lamp dies after only 23% of its rated expectancy, I should be ok with it. Maybe if I lease a new car every year, who cares if some cars blow up after 12,500 miles leaving the owners completely responsible???

Bottom line, the problem I have is this (the short life span of JVC lamps) is a KNOWN ISSUE. I don't respect a company that has a KNOWN ISSUE and washes their hands of the expense incurred by owners in using their products, and I'm still under warranty!

I apologize as I don't mean to offend anybody, it's just pretty frustrating to find out that, in this case, nobody is standing behind their products or services.

I agree with you. AVS should be pressuring JVC to replace each RS40 with whichever newer model has solved the problem. If you read through this thread and the RS45 thread I believe you will find this problem is related to bad lamp design, bad power supply's, and bad system boards. To a degree these are all related. At a minimum there should be a recall to apply whatever fixes they have developed.

My RS40 has settled down since I purchased a Panamax to clean and settle the power from the wall. To me this indicates a weakness in their power supply.

I don't think JVC and AVS realize what the pressure of anticipating these problems does to the watching experience for the average owner. At least the owners that reside here. If they did they would have initiated a much more aggressive warranty/recall program in order to address and solve this customer dissatisfaction. If the problem is limited to just a small percentage of these projectors then it would be worth it in goodwill.
post #9775 of 9972
I agree with you as well. If I could assume the RS45 does not have the 'lamp issue', then I too would think some type of exchange program would interest me. Even if that program had some cost on my part (small of course), it would make sense.

My biggest concern, other than the fact of the considerable expense of keeping lamps working on the RS40, is the resale value of my purchase/investment. I know that by reading these forums and being a member here for many years, many others spend small fortunes on upgrading their equipment to the latest and greatest yearly and might not consider that many of us, a few thousand dollars on a new projector every few years is a lot of money to us, even though it pales in comparison to the amount others spend on their projectors and supporting equipment, new screens, theater rooms, sound systems, treatments etc... I plan my purchases to get the most value out of as little money as possible. My projectors need to last 3 or 4 years and I have to be able to resell them to offset the cost of a new projector.

The problem I now have with my RS40 is I will not be able to resell it for what I had hoped, and counted on, in order to help pay for my new projector in a year or two. This is through no fault of my own, but a manufacturers problem, a KNOWN PROBLEM. If JVC were to consider the position this known problem puts a lot of us users in, perhaps some sort of trade in or exchange program would make sense for JVC as well. Perhaps even AVS might initiate some contact with JVC as they must be considered partners, at least in some fashion (if nothing else, by selling and promoting their products), by JVC.

My 003 lamp with a little over 200 hours on it, after running it on high power the other night for 3 hours, seems to be ok. Although, I find myself worrying somewhat while watching movies that I either will start seeing a flicker again, or some other lamp failure. Knowing the lamp issue DOES take some of the enjoyment away from relaxing and watching a movie. I would be particularly embarrassed is this issue happened while friends or family were over for a specific event, watching a new movie or sporting event.

Luck to all, and Happy Thanksgiving!
post #9776 of 9972
My current latest lamp w the flapper is at 1887 hours 95% in normal. Lately I have been using 3d mode as certain network shows seem a little darker. Blu rays still look solid but have not watched a 3d movie in a while to compare.

Ian B
post #9777 of 9972
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I purchased a Panamax

Which Panamax would I need to get?

Thanks,
Moto
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Originally Posted by MX48 View Post

Which Panamax would I need to get?

Thanks,
Moto

I have M4300-PM
post #9779 of 9972
What's the going rate for a lamp on this pj lately and from where? Will need one in a couple of months.

Thanks,

Ian B
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What's the going rate for a lamp on this pj lately and from where? Will need one in a couple of months.

Thanks,

Ian B

We have them in stock at A V Science - give us a call.
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