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post #991 of 9663
Hello RS40 owners,

I will be upgrading from an infocus x10 later next year and wanted to know if I could use my current screen, 125" elite 1.1 white. Or do I have to upgrade the screen to use 3d. Also my throw distance is about 18 ft, will I have any problems with light at that distance? I have a 100% light controlled enviroment.

Thank you.
post #992 of 9663
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Originally Posted by plasmaowner View Post
Hello RS40 owners,

I will be upgrading from an infocus x10 later next year and wanted to know if I could use my current screen, 125" elite 1.1 white. Or do I have to upgrade the screen to use 3d. Also my throw distance is about 18 ft, will I have any problems with light at that distance? I have a 100% light controlled enviroment.

Thank you.
Damnsam has a 1.1 gain AT screen, and he says its still quite bright in 3d. If Im recalling correctly, he has a 18 ft throw distance as well.

So I would say, your good to go. Enjoy.
post #993 of 9663
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Originally Posted by plasmaowner View Post
Hello RS40 owners,

I will be upgrading from an infocus x10 later next year and wanted to know if I could use my current screen, 125" elite 1.1 white. Or do I have to upgrade the screen to use 3d. Also my throw distance is about 18 ft, will I have any problems with light at that distance? I have a 100% light controlled enviroment.

Thank you.
YES, you should keep your screen first, and only then make a decision to upgrade to a higher gain, but I think you will be more than pleased Just be sure to turn your aperture down to -5 once your eyes settle on a comfortable and acceptable brightness. This will prepare you down the road when the original lamp loses 10-20% of brightness in the first 500 hours, then you can open up that aperture a bit to compensate.

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Originally Posted by monstosity12 View Post
Damnsam has a 1.1 gain AT screen, and he says its still quite bright in 3d. If Im recalling correctly, he has a 18 ft throw distance as well.

So I would say, your good to go. Enjoy.
And YES!!! D

Not to mention that I just finally settled on a (-5) aperture for me, I realy think it looks best with the 3D/HighLamp mode. And that's on my 1.1 gain AT 120" screen from 18ft away and 2.5 ft up from center of the screen. So some of you folks with the fancy shmancy HP 2.8 screens will probabaly need to go even lower, to -10.
post #994 of 9663
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Originally Posted by monstosity12 View Post
Damnsam has a 1.1 gain AT screen, and he says its still quite bright in 3d. If Im recalling correctly, he has a 18 ft throw distance as well.

So I would say, your good to go. Enjoy.
Cool so I don't need some kind of special screen to enjoy 3d. Thats good news! I can't wait.
post #995 of 9663
Do you guys think that some people are more susceptible to crosstalk than others? Because I have seen a TON of it on every single 3D test I have tried out. Black Ops, Open Season, Gran Turismo, Alice In Wonderland, Super Stardust, A Christmas Carole - all of it. And not just a little bit either, Im talking enough to really bother me. This was using the Xpand glasses, so I went ahead and ordered some JVC glasses that are scheduled to arrive tomorrow to see if that helps. I just dont get how Sam and others have reported no crosstalk when I cant seem to get away from it....
post #996 of 9663
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Originally Posted by TheTonik View Post
Do you guys think that some people are more susceptible to crosstalk than others? Because I have seen a TON of it on every single 3D test I have tried out. Black Ops, Open Season, Gran Turismo, Alice In Wonderland, Super Stardust, A Christmas Carole - all of it. And not just a little bit either, Im talking enough to really bother me. This was using the Xpand glasses, so I went ahead and ordered some JVC glasses that are scheduled to arrive tomorrow to see if that helps. I just dont get how Sam and others have reported no crosstalk when I cant seem to get away from it....
I'll let you know what I think tomorrow night once my emitter arrives. I also have the 103's. I have Open Season, Alice 3D and a Christmas Carole so I can check these out. I've seen all 3 on my acer 3D DLP and there isn't a hint of it to be seen, so If I see anything that stands out on the JVC, it should be quite obvious if I have a frame of reference.

What is your source player? I am using an HTPC with an Nvidia GT430 / Powerdvd 10 for playback of 3D BD content.
post #997 of 9663
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Originally Posted by TheTonik View Post
Do you guys think that some people are more susceptible to crosstalk than others? Because I have seen a TON of it on every single 3D test I have tried out. Black Ops, Open Season, Gran Turismo, Alice In Wonderland, Super Stardust, A Christmas Carole - all of it. And not just a little bit either, Im talking enough to really bother me. This was using the Xpand glasses, so I went ahead and ordered some JVC glasses that are scheduled to arrive tomorrow to see if that helps. I just dont get how Sam and others have reported no crosstalk when I cant seem to get away from it....
Does your BD player have a screen size/tv size setting?
post #998 of 9663
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post
YES!!!



And YES!!! D

Not to mention that I just finally settled on a (-5) aperture, and that's on my 1.1 gain AT screen. So some of you folks with the fancy shmancy HP 2.8 screens will probabaly need to go even lower, to -10.
Hey damnsam I have a quick question about your Avatar viewing. I also saw Avatar at our local IMAX (a real imax 6 stories high) and I was blown away. Can you comment about the 3D depth of field. In many of the scenes, things didn't just come out from the screen, they appeared out of nowhere. There were times when I was looking directly at the screen and all of a sudden I’m seeing things appear from my far right, left and even from above my head falling right in front of my eyes (making me blink at times) and then floating back into the screen. It was absolutely amazing am I’m hoping for the same experience with the RS40. Has your experience at home similar to this?
post #999 of 9663
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Originally Posted by TheTonik View Post
Do you guys think that some people are more susceptible to crosstalk than others? Because I have seen a TON of it on every single 3D test I have tried out. Black Ops, Open Season, Gran Turismo, Alice In Wonderland, Super Stardust, A Christmas Carole - all of it. And not just a little bit either, Im talking enough to really bother me. This was using the Xpand glasses, so I went ahead and ordered some JVC glasses that are scheduled to arrive tomorrow to see if that helps. I just dont get how Sam and others have reported no crosstalk when I cant seem to get away from it....
The issue of ghosting, and all the possible sources or combination of sources, is not yet clear to me. I couldn't get away from ghosting on the 90es, but have had great success with minimal ghosting on the RS50 with 4 3D BR titles. Then I saw quite a bit on the PS3 3D game Motorstorm Racing or some such nonsense (my son was playing it). Didn't notice very much with COD also on the PS3, though it's a much darker title so perhaps the ghosting was well hidden. literally, in the shadows.

So,

- is the quality of ghosting literally a shot by shot control issue, where in-camera optics, or post processing of the stereoscopic content, is a major factor?

- can a 3D player really have an affect on the ghosting?

- is 720 by its nature more susceptible to crosstalk as opposed to 1080?

- do polarized screen matter in terms of ghosting or just brightness?

- Is SbS or TnB more susceptible to ghosting than FP?

- does a projector "process" the 3D signal, or is it just passing through alternating L/R frames and firing the matching on/off signal to the shutter glasses?

- One would think the Sony would be better with a higher refresh rate, but perhaps the timings are too critical to get precise, and the practical application of the JVC's slower refresh ultimately is allowing better sync because the timing tolerances are a bit less than the Sony?

- and yes, lastly, does ghosting perception have a human component? Are some more susceptible than others to see it?

Many factors that we are all guessing on...
post #1000 of 9663
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post
What is your source player? I am using an HTPC with an Nvidia GT430 / Powerdvd 10 for playback of 3D BD content.
Source is the PS3 Slim.

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Originally Posted by Geof View Post
Does your BD player have a screen size/tv size setting?
Yes it does, and its set to my screen size of 106".

Wondering if I should buy another 3D player to compare..
post #1001 of 9663
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheTonik View Post
Do you guys think that some people are more susceptible to crosstalk than others? Because I have seen a TON of it on every single 3D test I have tried out. Black Ops, Open Season, Gran Turismo, Alice In Wonderland, Super Stardust, A Christmas Carole - all of it. And not just a little bit either, Im talking enough to really bother me. This was using the Xpand glasses, so I went ahead and ordered some JVC glasses that are scheduled to arrive tomorrow to see if that helps. I just dont get how Sam and others have reported no crosstalk when I cant seem to get away from it....
Tonik,
Something is really not right with your set up, I don't know what it is though. I understand how you would see ghosting on GranTurismo, Super StarDust, and maybe a little on BlackOps (not excesseive though), but why would you see ANY ghosting on Open Season and Alice in Wonderland? I have watched both movies and there was not even one single of noticeable ghosting, there may have been some that I could not see at all, and those would have had to have been very faint and far and few in between. This was confirmed by a a couple of others like Thrang and Adidadi.

And with Crosstalk I believe, its one size fits all, if we don't see it, you shouldn't either. Make sure you are using the 3D preset. And make sure your glasses are synching with the emitter, maybe something is wrong with the pair of glasses you had, or the emitter or even the emitter placement. Or like some others said, some BD players can specify what size screen to use. Last, and for the sake of being safe, use the 3D preset without changing any of the 3D preset configurations such as pic adjustments. If you are following all of these instructions, you really should not have any of thse ghosting issues (with the exceptions of some games and some DirecTV 3D programming) but if you're still having problems, then I highly suggest you start looking at a possible defective device in the mix, either the emitter, the glasses, the BD player, the receiver, HDMI cables..etc.
post #1002 of 9663
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by plasmaowner View Post
Hey damnsam I have a quick question about your Avatar viewing. I also saw Avatar at our local IMAX (a real imax 6 stories high) and I was blown away. Can you comment about the 3D depth of field. In many of the scenes, things didn't just come out from the screen, they appeared out of nowhere. There were times when I was looking directly at the screen and all of a sudden I'm seeing things appear from my far right, left and even from above my head falling right in front of my eyes (making me blink at times) and then floating back into the screen. It was absolutely amazing am I'm hoping for the same experience with the RS40. Has your experience at home similar to this?
Plasma,
without sounding like a broken record you should go through the thread and check out the past 30 pages, it will take you a couple of hours, it like reading a book. But I discussed this a few pages back talking about the exact things you have asked about. Here is the link below

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post19646918

After this weekend, we will make a more concerted effort to index reviews, screenshots, bugs, calibrations in the first page. So I will get working on that this weekend, but again any help is appreciated.
post #1003 of 9663
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by TheTonik View Post
Source is the PS3 Slim.

Yes it does, and its set to my screen size of 106".

Wondering if I should buy another 3D player to compare..
I have yet to try the PS3 for 3D because it's frankly very lame without being able to pass ARC (HD Audio). So I would suggest you inspect every device in your 3D equation from the playback device, to the cables, to the receiver, and projector and emitter/glasses. As you experience is not at all resembling ours. Sorry you're having a hard time, I know it can be frustrating. Most of us got on the early preorder boat for the Oppo93 and absolutely love this player, including myself, and I actually did not want to keep it at first, but I am glad I am now.
post #1004 of 9663
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thrang View Post
- is the quality of ghosting literally a shot by shot control issue, where in-camera optics, or post processing of the stereoscopic content, is a major factor?

- can a 3D player really have an affect on the ghosting?

- is 720 by its nature more susceptible to crosstalk as opposed to 1080?

- do polarized screen matter in terms of ghosting or just brightness?

- Is SbS or TnB more susceptible to ghosting than FP?

- does a projector "process" the 3D signal, or is it just passing through alternating L/R frames and firing the matching on/off signal to the shutter glasses?

- One would think the Sony would be better with a higher refresh rate, but perhaps the timings are too critical to get precise, and the practical application of the JVC's slower refresh ultimately is allowing better sync because the timing tolerances are a bit less than the Sony?

- and yes, lastly, does ghosting perception have a human component? Are some more susceptible than others to see it?

Many factors that we are all guessing on...
You forgot to add the following:

- What is the meaning of life?
- Why are we here?
- And does Lady Gaga drive a stick?

Oh oh we're talking about 3D? my bad...
post #1005 of 9663
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post
You forgot to add the following:

- What is the meaning of life?
- Why are we here?
- And does Lady Gaga drive a stick?

Oh oh we're talking about 3D? my bad...
Your second point is something I often ask myself when posting...
post #1006 of 9663
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post
- can a 3D player really have an affect on the ghosting?
I will be serious here for a minute and share a weird experience with the copy of the Avatar 3D I was given.

When I first placed it in my Oppo93, it played right away within 10 seconds.

Then the initial blue movie rating and red copyright warning screens came on where the fonts were actually in 3D and I saw some weird ghosting, and I was like, oh man, this movie is gonna suck and will be ridded with ghosting. Then the movie started and it looked great, except for the one scene where the two recruiters in the begining were trying to convince Sam Worthington to take on his old brother's Avatar job. There were a few seconds where the guy on the right of the screen was talking and there was very noticeable ghosting around his neck, again I was dissapointed but moved on. But then 30 mins into the movie the picture started breaking up badly and my Oppo93 froze up. I had to eject the disc to unfreeze the screen.

Here is where it becomes interesting...

I looked at the back of the BD-R to see if it's clean or scratched and there were at least 3 finger prints a little bit of dust or dirt, so I fully cleaned the BD-R disc and played it again on the the Oppo93. And this time the initial Rating and Copyright screens showed absolutely no ghosting and the scene with the recruiter's neck had virtually no ghosting visible, unless you REALLY look very hard for it because you know it's there. The movie played just fine after that without any ghosting or the picture breaking up and freezing again.

So to answer Thrang's question, I think the BD players do play a role in the 3D quality playback, I know this sounds ridiculous, that some finger prints on a 3D BD disc cause these playback issues, and possibly more visible ghosting due to poor playback, but this is exactly what happened to me.
post #1007 of 9663
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post
Oh the ACC movie which i was forbidden by the wife to open until Christmas day, we usually watch like a dozen christmas movies in the theater on christmas day after gift unwrapping. I may just open and play a few mins of it and let you know soon.

I can tell you from now that the RS40 will blow awy any flat panel out there, i don't care how good anyone thinks they a 60" plasma looks in 3D, those people more than likely have not experienced 3D on the new JVCs. So i can tell you from now, get the RS40 and skip the uber expensive Plasma, but only as long as you can control the natural light in the room, in other words achieve total or near darkness. This is a must for all cinema projectors
Your reports are making the decision easy for me so thank you! I have an Epson 6500ub right now so it would be hard for me to go down to even the biggest Panasonic plasma. Looks like we will end of with the RS40 pretty soon!

I will await your report on ACC. Def gotta keep the wife happy so no hurry but I think the first 10 minutes or so of ACC will blow you away!!
I cant wait to see it on a 106 inch screen!!!
post #1008 of 9663
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post
The issue of ghosting, and all the possible sources or combination of sources, is not yet clear to me. I couldn't get away from ghosting on the 90es, but have had great success with minimal ghosting on the RS50 with 4 3D BR titles. Then I saw quite a bit on the PS3 3D game Motorstorm Racing or some such nonsense (my son was playing it). Didn't notice very much with COD also on the PS3, though it's a much darker title so perhaps the ghosting was well hidden. literally, in the shadows.

So,

- is the quality of ghosting literally a shot by shot control issue, where in-camera optics, or post processing of the stereoscopic content, is a major factor?

- can a 3D player really have an affect on the ghosting?

- is 720 by its nature more susceptible to crosstalk as opposed to 1080?

- do polarized screen matter in terms of ghosting or just brightness?

- Is SbS or TnB more susceptible to ghosting than FP?

- does a projector "process" the 3D signal, or is it just passing through alternating L/R frames and firing the matching on/off signal to the shutter glasses?

- One would think the Sony would be better with a higher refresh rate, but perhaps the timings are too critical to get precise, and the practical application of the JVC's slower refresh ultimately is allowing better sync because the timing tolerances are a bit less than the Sony?

- and yes, lastly, does ghosting perception have a human component? Are some more susceptible than others to see it?

Many factors that we are all guessing on...
Once it's pointed out to you or you notice it on your own you're probably not going to miss "ghosting" from then on. Some will tolerate it (not a big deal for them though they still notice it) while others will be very distracted by it and will shun products that are susceptible to "ghosting". As more and more 3D products arrive in the hands of end users I feel this will become more evident. That's just my thoughts about whether or not people will see it and tolerate it.

The Samsung 3D player was firmware updated to lessen "ghosting" with some success, IMO.

You missed mentioning technology - ie. the different types of projectors and T.V.s.

I've been using a 720p DLP projector for a few weeks and have seen just about all the available 3D movies including Coroline, Avatar, Dawn of the Dinosaurs, Open Season, Monster House, Cloudy with a chance, A Christmas Carol, Polar Express, 3 IMAX documentaries, How to Train Your Dragon, Alice in Wonderland etc. and have seen absolutely no "ghosting". I've seen lots on LCD displays up to 55", but have not seen any on a 120" screen with DLP. If what I'm saying is confirmed it is quite possible that DLP may become the technology of choice for 3D. Everything I've seen on this 720p DLP projector has been a much better experience than 3D at the IMAX! No "ghosting" no colour fringing etc. I'm now spoiled. If JVC or Sony want to sell me one of their 1080p 3D products I will not accept a display that has "ghosting" - it's not going to happen!
post #1009 of 9663
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post
The issue of ghosting, and all the possible sources or combination of sources, is not yet clear to me. I couldn't get away from ghosting on the 90es, but have had great success with minimal ghosting on the RS50 with 4 3D BR titles. Then I saw quite a bit on the PS3 3D game Motorstorm Racing or some such nonsense (my son was playing it). Didn't notice very much with COD also on the PS3, though it's a much darker title so perhaps the ghosting was well hidden. literally, in the shadows.

So,

- is the quality of ghosting literally a shot by shot control issue, where in-camera optics, or post processing of the stereoscopic content, is a major factor?

- can a 3D player really have an affect on the ghosting?

- is 720 by its nature more susceptible to crosstalk as opposed to 1080?

- do polarized screen matter in terms of ghosting or just brightness?

- Is SbS or TnB more susceptible to ghosting than FP?

- does a projector "process" the 3D signal, or is it just passing through alternating L/R frames and firing the matching on/off signal to the shutter glasses?

- One would think the Sony would be better with a higher refresh rate, but perhaps the timings are too critical to get precise, and the practical application of the JVC's slower refresh ultimately is allowing better sync because the timing tolerances are a bit less than the Sony?

- and yes, lastly, does ghosting perception have a human component? Are some more susceptible than others to see it?

Many factors that we are all guessing on...
Does Geico really save you money on insurance?

Does a Bear sh1t in the woods?

Ahhhhhhh, Why "are" we hear???????????
post #1010 of 9663
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Deja Vu View Post
Once it's pointed out to you or you notice it on your own you're probably not going to miss "ghosting" from then on. That's just my thoughts about whether or not people will see it.
While a valid point, I may be the first one to debunk it based on my experience so far. There were scenes where I looked for ghosting and found a bit of it, but upon a 2nd "relaxed popcorn in hand" viewing, I didn't care to look for it and did not notice it. So I would say our eyes and stubborn QC nature will be our worst enemies when it comes to 3D viewing. And my advice would be to just relax, pop open an ice cold pop or beer, get you some warm fresh popcorn and enjoy the movie. But if you want to analyze every frame for ghosting or flicker then you'e not gonna enjoy 3D at all.
post #1011 of 9663
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Originally Posted by madshi View Post
FWIW, if the display/projector/receiver has a good deinterlacer built in, I wouldn't expect 3D 1080p60 to look any better than 3D 1080i60, because it doesn't matter much whether the source device or the display does the deinterlacing. There's no native 3D 1080p60 content available today.
I was thinking more in line compared to 1080p24/3D frame packed, I didn't know there was 1080i60/3D frame packed discs already available.
post #1012 of 9663
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Originally Posted by TheTonik View Post

Source is the PS3 Slim.



Yes it does, and its set to my screen size of 106".

Wondering if I should buy another 3D player to compare..

Is your PS3 set to force 24 frames as suppose to the default 60? Maybe that's why you're seeing it with movies?
post #1013 of 9663
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Originally Posted by damnsam77 View Post

While a valid point, I may be the first one to debunk it based on my experience so far. There were scenes where I looked for ghosting and found a bit of it, but upon a 2nd "relaxed popcorn in hand" viewing, I didn't care to look for it and did not notice it. So I would say our eyes and stubborn QC nature will be our worst enemies when it comes to 3D viewing. And my advice would be to just relax, pop open an ice cold pop or beer, get you some warm fresh popcorn and enjoy the movie. But if you want to analyze every frame for ghosting or flicker then you'e not gonna enjoy 3D at all.

I agree to a point, but are you suggesting that people that frequent this forum simply sit back relax and enjoy the show and forget about any "little" image idiosyncrasies? Good luck with that! It's never happened in the past and won't happen now. The dam's about to burst.
post #1014 of 9663
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Originally Posted by Mikenificent1 View Post

Is your PS3 set to force 24 frames as suppose to the default 60? Maybe that's why you're seeing it with movies?

That I dont know. Will play with it tomorrow when I get the new glasses. Want to get rid of the Xpand's anyway since they interfere with my other remotes.

Anyone know which 3D Blu-Ray player would be a good replacement for me, besides the Oppo?
post #1015 of 9663
Yes, A bear does Sh!t in the woods.
post #1016 of 9663
I emailed Pro.JVC.com to clarify whether or not they see the bottom diagram in the owners manual as showing the projectors left side, showing the projector facing left and describing the clearance at the back as 200 mm and the response I got was:

Quote:


Hello, yes that is how I see it.

Thank you so very much
post #1017 of 9663
I'm using a RS40 for about 2 days now...Out of the box picture setting is pretty good. I switched between using the film (Standard REC709) and cinema presets (Wide 1). The first thing I do when firing up the projector was to pop in a DVE calibration disc to calibrate the brightness, contrast, color and tint. I discovered that color and tint varies from one preset to the other...take 3D preset for instance, the color and tint set at '0'...but when I apply the blue filter over my eyes, I noticed the color setting is way off! I have to decreased it to somewhere around '-18' and tint to '-2' IIRC. Other presets like Stage, Natural etc does deviate but not as much when it compares to 3D settings.

I understand that it will be best to leave the setting intact when we watch 3D presentation...but I thought that achieving the correct and optimum color and tint settings are equally important as well...does anyone calibrate each of the individual presets when you first receive your projector?
post #1018 of 9663
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

are there any built in test patterns where I can quickly check convergence? The RS40 arrived today and it's painful to wait another 7-8 hours to fire this thing up. I have pure white walls in my datacenter. once it's gets to room temperature, I'd like to fire it up and make sure the convergence is ok.


Best pattern for this is on the AVS HD 709 disc. You don't need a blu-ray burner to make it, but you do need a blu-ray player (I think?) to play it.

There is a convergence grid available in the built-in patterns, but note this is a TWO pixel wide grid. Ever wonder why they don't include a single pixel grid? Anyway, check it with the single pixel grid when you can. Note how the single pixels in each of the grid box (again on AVS HD 709 pattern) look as well. Single pixels, or clusters of pixels?
post #1019 of 9663
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Originally Posted by Deja Vu View Post

I've been using a 720p DLP projector for a few weeks and have seen just about all the available 3D movies including Coroline, Avatar, Dawn of the Dinosaurs, Open Season, Monster House, Cloudy with a chance, A Christmas Carol, Polar Express, 3 IMAX documentaries, How to Train Your Dragon, Alice in Wonderland etc. and have seen absolutely no "ghosting". I've seen lots on LCD displays up to 55", but have not seen any on a 120" screen with DLP. If what I'm saying is confirmed it is quite possible that DLP may become the technology of choice for 3D. Everything I've seen on this 720p DLP projector has been a much better experience than 3D at the IMAX! No "ghosting" no colour fringing etc. I'm now spoiled. If JVC or Sony want to sell me one of their 1080p 3D products I will not accept a display that has "ghosting" - it's not going to happen!

it sounds like the experience is varying depending on the setup. I have one of the larger screens at 142" and with the HP, IQ flaws generally don't hide themselves easily.

I am using the HTPC with the Nvidia GT430 / PowerDVD and have watched all the movies you listed above. you can expect a fair / objective comparison between the two projectors with the same content. I'll have some feedback by the weekend.
post #1020 of 9663
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

Best pattern for this is on the AVS HD 709 disc. You don't need a blu-ray burner to make it, but you do need a blu-ray player (I think?) to play it.

There is a convergence grid available in the built-in patterns, but note this is a TWO pixel wide grid. Ever wonder why they don't include a single pixel grid? Anyway, check it with the single pixel grid when you can. Note how the single pixels in each of the grid box (again on AVS HD 709 pattern) look as well. Single pixels, or clusters of pixels?

thank you. I am downloading the AVCHD file and it should play ok within PowerDVD 10. I don't want to get too crazy with the convergence, I made myself nuts a few years ago with my Mitsubishi HC5500 which was off by a mile. then the 2nd was off as well. The third was acceptable, but nothing to write home about.

I just want to make sure there is nothing major out of the ordinary, hopefully all within 1/2 a pixel off or so. The menu text looks quite nice, I did play with the pixel alignment and was able to make it look my first two 3 LCD projects.
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