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post #91 of 139
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Originally Posted by blizzisu View Post

What settings do you use on your D5000 to take pics? I'd like to take some with my Sony A200.

Here are MM's screen shot tips:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post18984296

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Originally Posted by bo4uofm View Post

Sorry if this isn't allowed, but I was curious as to what you estimate your costs to be putting your screen together. I love your setup and was thinking of doing something very similar.

Maybe a couple hundred bucks including a $60 sprayer... I say go for it, this was my first shot at it, and although it's far from perfect, the results are stunning.

More screen shots with a little better lighting. These are with 1 CFL and 4 incandescent 65W flood bulbs full on in the room (but in strategic locations). The pics look like the room is pitch black, but it was really far from it.





post #92 of 139
Looks amazing, great job on the screen shots and overall look.

I just ran through your thread again but I didn't see it (if it is there, sorry).

What distance is your projector from the screen?

Have you calibrated the unit yet?

Or are you using one of the 4 predetermined settings? Dynamic, living room etc?


I should not have shown this to my wife, she loves your in wall cabinet, now I'm in the doghouse!
post #93 of 139
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Looks amazing, great job on the screen shots and overall look.

I just ran through your thread again but I didn't see it (if it is there, sorry).

What distance is your projector from the screen?

Have you calibrated the unit yet?

Or are you using one of the 4 predetermined settings? Dynamic, living room etc?


I should not have shown this to my wife, she loves your in wall cabinet, now I'm in the doghouse!

Thanks,

1) 12' 3" lens to screen, 120" diagonal.

2) Nope, right outta-the-box.

3) I'm using Living Room. It still bright and vibrant, but not as overdone as Dynamic. I've found it works best for most of my needs so far.

Thanks for the comments on the in-wall cabinet, it turned out better than expected. It's under the stairs as well and I have easy access to the back side from the storage room. Perfect for messing with stuff.
post #94 of 139
Really really looks great! I wish I did a false front wall or something, the amount of wires and such is quite ridiculous!


Thanks for the info....so you are a full foot closer than I am, i think that combined with my crappy light fixtures is causing me some heart-ache.

If you can see in my picture, my bulbs throw a lot of light on the screen even when they are dim.

I don't want to mess too much with the calibration yet because the screen still needs to cure out. I may mess with moving the projector up a foot, which might be ugly with the power and HDMI cable but may be worth it in terms of FLs at the screen...


post #95 of 139
Looks very nice. Congrats. Hope to follow in your footsteps soon, albeit a tad bigger...180".

Were the football shots taken with the window open?
In living room mode, with window open, how does it compare to say a plasma or lcd?

Your images look great!
post #96 of 139
Really nice set up. The duster coat pictures helped a ton as I wondered a lot concerning that step. I've got a ton of work to do, but everyones input has made a huge difference. Best forum evah - keeps me awake at work...
post #97 of 139
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Originally Posted by newB24 View Post

Thanks for the info....so you are a full foot closer than I am, i think that combined with my crappy light fixtures is causing me some heart-ache.

If you can see in my picture, my bulbs throw a lot of light on the screen even when they are dim.

I don't want to mess too much with the calibration yet because the screen still needs to cure out. I may mess with moving the projector up a foot, which might be ugly with the power and HDMI cable but may be worth it in terms of FLs at the screen...



I'd definitely experiment with spotlights and dimmers before moving anything. That'll do it for you.

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Originally Posted by calimark View Post

Looks very nice. Congrats. Hope to follow in your footsteps soon, albeit a tad bigger...180".

Were the football shots taken with the window open?
In living room mode, with window open, how does it compare to say a plasma or lcd?

Your images look great!

The close-up football shots were after dark, but with 4 65W floodlights full on in other parts of the room, and one CFL.

Let's be realistic, with the window open, in living room mode, and especially at 180" this will not compete with LCD or Plasma in terms of black levels or probably brightness. However, in my basement with selected lighting (low to nothing near/on the screen) and at 120", it rivals my LCD in my living room.
(Except for the fact that it's 5x the area!)

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Originally Posted by pckrbkr69 View Post

Really nice set up. The duster coat pictures helped a ton as I wondered a lot concerning that step. I've got a ton of work to do, but everyones input has made a huge difference. Best forum evah - keeps me awake at work...

Good luck with your build! Try to get that spray as fine as possible and that texture as flat as possible!
post #98 of 139
I'm ready to get going but have to wait until the divorce is final, good thing is we are on good terms. Only took 20 years to figure it out though. At least i can build a true man cave lol.

One thing I do want to ask is about the sock test for the consistency of the paint. I have searched but cant find the verbatim on how this is done. I'm kind of limited in my search efforts so if anyone has a link or can spell it out I'd really appreciate it.

I'm going to work up some plans to get some opinions from the experts here, when the time comes I'll start a new thread and hope to see you all there. I could really use the help.
post #99 of 139
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Strainer comments from MM earlier in this thread:

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Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post

Use the Sock Filter and how fast the paint strains through it as a judge as to getting the correct viscosity.

If you place one over the Sprayer's Paint Cup, press in until you have a 2" deep depression, and then pour in the paint slowly but steadily, the paint should not rise up and pool, nor take any length of time at all "watching" it recede.

The strainer I used (Home Depot):
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post #100 of 139
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Originally Posted by develvjd- View Post

Strainer comments from MM earlier in this thread:



The strainer I used (Home Depot):

This is the exact one I just picked up from Home Depot. I assume you followed MMs directions on how to judge the viscocity using it?
post #101 of 139
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Originally Posted by blizzisu View Post

This is the exact one I just picked up from Home Depot. I assume you followed MMs directions on how to judge the viscocity using it?

Yeah, I followed them as well as I could.
post #102 of 139
I must have tried pouring that paint through the strainer about 6 times.

I used a binder clip to hold the net tight around my paint cup, pushed down to about a 2" depression and then started pouring.

You will get frustrated after the first few times and getting paint everywhere but once you get it, you will KNOW it. Don't give up, just keep adding water, mixing and testing.

Pour slow and steady, it will come right up to the top but doesn't overflow!
post #103 of 139
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Here's a stitched panoramic (Microsoft ICE) from the south end of the basement in front of the new egress window:
post #104 of 139
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I LOVE this setup!


This screenshot alone is pushing me toward SF over RS-MaxxMudd. I already have all the ingredients for RS-MM, but I'll go with SF if I can find the colorants locally since carpet is coming in a week and I need to get the screen and walls painted before that.

MMan, ambient light watch-ability wont be anything close to this with RS-MaxxMudd, right?

develvjd, your screenshots look a little bluish. How accurate are the pictures in respect to color tones?
post #105 of 139
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This screenshot alone is pushing me toward SF over RS-MaxxMudd. I already have all the ingredients for RS-MM, but I'll go with SF if I can find the colorants locally since carpet is coming in a week and I need to get the screen and walls painted before that.

MMan, ambient light watch-ability wont be anything close to this with RS-MaxxMudd, right?[/quote]

Depends a lot on the PJs light output and contrast performance, but the answer would be "no" when you compare such torturous light conditions as shown above with more sane depictions. My opinion? If you need that much leeway for that degree of ambient light, I'd put the Crarpet Layers on hold, or consider getting enough plastic to cover the Carpet. 9' x 12' sheets of .7 mil. Plastic are available at Home Depot for $1.99 ea, so expense should not be a factor as far as protecting the new flooring.

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develvjd, your screenshots look a little bluish. How accurate are the pictures in respect to color tones?

The Blue cast in Screenies is a familiar thing with many screenies taken with Digital Cameras. It does not manifest itself in person, but I'm certain develjd will confirm that.
post #106 of 139
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develvjd, your screenshots look a little bluish. How accurate are the pictures in respect to color tones?

Nah, that's the camera. For some reason it tints everything a bit blue when taking these low light shots.

This one was probably the closest to the actual screen colors, but even this one has some blue tint that's not there in real life. Damn 3 year old $150 camera!
post #107 of 139
MMan,

no, I dont need THAT much leeway. This is my basement and it can be pretty light controlled. But I do like the option of having the rear 4 lights on at full blast and still have a perfectly viewable screen. And in my other thread, you mentioned that SF screen will look just as good as RS MaxxMudd when all the lights are off (which will be for me about 90% of the time).

So if both screens are equal when dark, and one screen (SF) is the clear winner when there's plenty ambient light, with the only negative of the SF screen being able to locate the colorants, why not just go with the SF screen if the DIYer has the patience to locate the colorants. I mean application method nearly the same for both.

develvjd, that's good to know that it's the camera and not the screen
post #108 of 139
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MMan,

no, I dont need THAT much leeway. This is my basement and it can be pretty light controlled. But I do like the option of having the rear 4 lights on at full blast and still have a perfectly viewable screen. And in my other thread, you mentioned that SF screen will look just as good as RS MaxxMudd when all the lights are off (which will be for me about 90% of the time).

.....and it does

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So if both screens are equal when dark,

Actually, SF will always show "Blacker Blacks"

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........and one screen (SF) is the clear winner when there's plenty ambient light, with the only negative of the SF screen being able to locate the colorants, why not just go with the SF screen if the DIYer has the patience to locate the colorants. I mean application method nearly the same for both.

No argument there from me. It's really about choice vs need. Having choices that more exactly fit the need means people don't "have" to decide on one thing because that is the only thing they can decide on.

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develvjd, that's good to know that it's the camera and not the screen

'Told ya so!
post #109 of 139
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Avatar, best movie in history. I just wish I could take pics that did it justice...









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my quest for locating the colorants is not going so well. I found that Pearl Paint in NJ carries the Matt Basics. I called this afternoon to see if they have them all, the guy on the phone confirmed they did. Excited, I drove out an hour to find that they dont have Crimson in Matt. Great! And meanwhile, I was so focused on looking for the Crimson that I didn't even realize that I grabbed the wrong green - I grabbed the Deep Green instead of the Phthalo Green

Now it looks like dickblick is out of Phthalo Green

BTW, awesome screenshots!!
post #111 of 139
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BTW, awesome screenshots!!

I agree. I think the justice your doing the movie and the screen is just fine.

I'm starting to develop a fetish for 10' tall Girls with Blue skin, Phosphorescent freckles, and Fuzzy Tails.

But those teeth!
post #112 of 139
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Phosphorescent freckles FTW!
post #113 of 139
develvjd: Awesome screenies....

so what mode is the PJ in for the avatar pics? Cinema?

???? I've seen you post about your sprayer a few times, I'm curious why you think your paint job is sub-par?

Am I missing something? I think your paint turned out fantastic, I measured my install against yours!
post #114 of 139
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develvjd: Awesome screenies....

so what mode is the PJ in for the avatar pics? Cinema?

???? I've seen you post about your sprayer a few times, I'm curious why you think your paint job is sub-par?

Am I missing something? I think your paint turned out fantastic, I measured my install against yours!
That's living room / ECO / auto-iris and I pretty much leave it there. Not sure what all the complaining is in the 8350 thread about auto-iris, mine adjusts quickly and it's almost silent, you certainly can't hear it if there is any audio on.

The issue with my screen is too much texture. I can see it when I watch animated films. Soooooo, I'll probably buy a sheet of sintra in the spring and go at it again. It's just not as fine as yours and blizz, etc.

Overall, I'm having a blast watching this thing and with a movie like Avatar where you don't have those huge flat color areas like you'd see in a pixar film, it's not an issue. However it can be better and I'll go for that later... maybe I'm being drawn into this AVSforum more than I expected!
post #115 of 139
did u end up having them skim the wall?
post #116 of 139
those screen shots look awesome! I'm wanting a 8350 and silver fire setup. It wont be long till I'll be trying to be best friends with MississippiMan.I believe the man knows what hes taking about.
post #117 of 139
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did u end up having them skim the wall?

Nope, just had to sand the first couple primer coats to get rid of any paper fibers...

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those screen shots look awesome! I'm wanting a 8350 and silver fire setup. It wont be long till I'll be trying to be best friends with MississippiMan.I believe the man knows what hes taking about.

Yes, he does.
post #118 of 139
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Originally Posted by bo4uofm View Post

Sorry if this isn't allowed, but I was curious as to what you estimate your costs to be putting your screen together. I love your setup and was thinking of doing something very similar. I have a large basement, that I hope to start finishing soon, I want to use for watching football and large parties. I don't want to turn off the lights or blind the windows as watching football in the dark with grown men is just weird.

I should have started with this, but you did an awesome job on this screen. I loved seeing the pics from planning to completion. I never would have thought about doing this until I saw this and the many other threads on here. Thanks for contributing.

Just noticed your location... I'm in Indy too, Zionsville to be exact. PM me if you want to check it out.

Also noticed your name, Bo for U of M... no UM stuff around here, this is Buckeyes country!
post #119 of 139
I think we're both in a foreign land here. Hopefully Michigan can start giving you guys a run for your money in the next few years. It would be nice to get the rivalry back. I'll PM you to ask about who finished your basement as I am looking into contractors now.
post #120 of 139
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I think we're both in a foreign land here. Hopefully Michigan can start giving you guys a run for your money in the next few years.

Won't be long now... especially if our guys keep selling stuff and getting suspended.
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