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Anyone have a Lost in Translation Blu Ray vs. HDDVD screenshot comparison?

post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
Just wondering if anyone who owns the Lost In Translation HD-DVD recently picked up the new BD release and is able to do a few comparisons?

Wasn't that fantastic a transfer to begin with given that the film had a soft look from the get go, but before I rebuy I'm just looking to make sure they didn't do to it what they did to the Thing.

EDIT: Comparison in Post 5, with mouseovers.
post #2 of 28
It's the same transfer, so still very soft, but the BD has more grain and a tiny bit more detail. Doesn't look as smooth compared to the HD DVD.
post #3 of 28
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Originally Posted by House View Post

It's the same transfer, so still very soft, but the BD has more grain and a tiny bit more detail. Doesn't look as smooth compared to the HD DVD.

where's xylon when u need him?
post #4 of 28
I think the new Blu looks great, the grain is still intact. Does not appear to have any DNR applied. If so, it's very subtle. One of the last few HD-DVD holdouts I've been waiting for.
post #5 of 28
Blu-ray (31mbps VC1) | HD-DVD (18mbps VC1)













post #6 of 28
As always, thanks for the screenshots.

The BD has better resolved grain. The result is a slightly better image but one that I really don't see any difference in detail worth mentioning. The HD DVD just a tad softer and I wouldn't be able to tell the difference while watching.
post #7 of 28
I would call this Soft in Transformation.
post #8 of 28
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by eric.exe View Post

Blu-ray (31mbps VC1) | HD-DVD (18mbps VC1)
*snip*

Awesome man, thanks. Exactly what I was looking for.

I'm glad it didn't get Thing'd.

BD clearly has a slight edge... better grain structure, tiny amount of additional fine detail, slightly less smoothed over:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/10958

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/10959
post #9 of 28
I'm not seeing any additional fine detail, with a 1080p monitor and my face planted against the screen. I can see better grain structure but I see no detail in one that is not in another. If I didn't own the HD DVD already, I would buy the BD but since I already own the former, this one isn't getting douple dipped. I'm starting to see a pattern of where Universal is leaving these catalog titles alone. It's been a while since I've seen a really botched one where they made the BD worse than the HD DVD.


Too bad there isn't a HD DVD vs BD comparison overview thread which categories common titles according to which ones are better on HD DVD, which ones are better on BD but so slight you need to examine caps for minutes on end very closely to find any additional detail, ones that show more detail that but still not a big enough to make you want to fork over more money unless it's your favorite movie (the 'good enough' category), and ones that are such an improvement as to where it's worth it to buy the title over. Such a thread would be invaluable to someone like me. This one would fall in the 'so slight' category for me along with titles like 'Serenity'. 'Breakfast Club' would fall in the 'good enough' category (there's clearly more detail in the BD but the HD DVD is still nice looking enough), and I hate to say it but 'Tremors' BD looks so much better than the HD DVD that I will probably buy it when it hits the $5 mark because even though it is still a mess, it's so much better than the HD DVD. I can't wait for the 'Cat People' BD to come out. Hopefully they'll leave that one alone because I'm pretty sure it could look better.

Apologies if I sound antagonistic here. I'm just moody today I guess.
post #10 of 28
I see an ever so slight improvement in the smallest of fine object detail. Similar to what I saw out of American Gangster. In motion, it'd be indistinguishable - hell, I have to look long and hard at the still shots to find real differences in detail and they're very slight - almost all of what I can easily see is the difference in film grain. It looks like the HD-DVD went through a filter pass that went after high frequency detail with a very light touch - unless that look is just the effect of encoding at a low bitrate.
post #11 of 28
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Originally Posted by Deviation View Post

unless that look is just the effect of encoding at a low bitrate.

Good ol' VC1 smoothing. The HD-DVD I-frames look about the same as the Blu-ray B and P frames, so it's encoding related

In motion the HD DVD looks constantly smoother, almost waxy
post #12 of 28
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Originally Posted by Deviation View Post

I see an ever so slight improvement in the smallest of fine object detail. Similar to what I saw out of American Gangster. In motion, it'd be indistinguishable - hell, I have to look long and hard at the still shots to find real differences in detail and they're very slight - almost all of what I can easily see is the difference in film grain. It looks like the HD-DVD went through a filter pass that went after high frequency detail with a very light touch - unless that look is just the effect of encoding at a low bitrate.

It's a soft movie and not much is really going on (no fast movements, pans, or anything) so I think it helps things out on the HD DVD end, being more forgiving for the much lower bitrate perhaps? Of the caps above, I do think the skin textures are a bit more pronounced on the BD caps and there's a light blue shirt which the grain looks better. I doubt that I would be able to tell while watching the movie.

On 'American Gangster', I might pick that one up for the extended cut at some time. I've held off since it isn't really the 'director's cut', and I don't like double dipping. Most likely I'll buy it at some point, though, because I can't show personal restraint.
post #13 of 28
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Originally Posted by Brian81 View Post
I'm not seeing any additional fine detail, with a 1080p monitor and my face planted against the screen. I can see better grain structure but I see no detail in one that is not in another.
Grain has been wiped. If grain is wiped, some fine detail has to have gone with it - there's no magic way to wipe grain.

It's not tough to see using the mouseover pics. Slight, but there. 2nd one is two B frames, and it can be seen.

I guarantee with the outdoor city shots (at night, when they're running around) of Japan, which more detail can be seen most easily in this one, it's even easier to spot.
post #14 of 28
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Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins View Post

Awesome man, thanks. Exactly what I was looking for.

I'm glad it didn't get Thing'd.

BD clearly has a slight edge... better grain structure, tiny amount of additional fine detail, slightly less smoothed over:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/10958

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/10959

Yep, it's quite obvious on other shots too.
post #15 of 28
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Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins View Post

Awesome man, thanks. Exactly what I was looking for.

I'm glad it didn't get Thing'd.

BD clearly has a slight edge... better grain structure, tiny amount of additional fine detail, slightly less smoothed over:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/10958

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/10959

These are the kind of releases that make me buy the blu...I know it's not a huge increase in detail, but at least it's noticeable. The shot where ScarJo is looking at the pink flowers...there is lots more detail in her v-neck sweater.
post #16 of 28
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Originally Posted by eric.exe View Post

Blu-ray (31mbps VC1) | HD-DVD (18mbps VC1)














Where are your D-Theater comparison pics? :P
post #17 of 28
A few grabs from the French blu-ray (AVC, Region Free, Forced French subtitles):





Most caps match those posted by eric.exe. There's a very slight difference between the French blu-ray and the US one: the French seems to have no DNR at all while the US still has a little (although much less than the HD DVD).

Comparison FR blu-ray / US blu-ray (4x zoom)
Comparison FR blu-ray / US HD DVD (4x zoom)

Direct links:
- Zoomed frame (from the least DNR to the most) : FR Blu-ray / US Blu-ray / FR HD DVD
- Full frame : FR Blu-ray / US Blu-ray / US HD DVD
post #18 of 28
dammit! now I have to get the French blu-ray! did you say it has forced French subtitles?
post #19 of 28
if you have a blu-ray burner, then just reauthor the disc yourself without the french subs (unless they are hardcoded)
post #20 of 28
is the french blu-ray only available in the Sofia Coppola blu-ray box set?
post #21 of 28
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Originally Posted by Hector.B View Post

is the french blu-ray only available in the Sofia Coppola blu-ray box set?

Yes.

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Originally Posted by Hector.B View Post

dammit! now I have to get the French blu-ray! did you say it has forced French subtitles?

It has forced, player generated French subtitles upon selecting English audio. If you're only interested in Lost in Translation I'd recommend you to stick with the US blu-ray because the difference is... well, rather subtle.
post #22 of 28
... unless you rip the Blu-ray to your media server with English audio and strip out the subs. French version, here I come!
post #23 of 28
This was such a charming film. I really enjoyed it the first time, second and even the third.

BD has a very slight advantage, but that slight improvement will be clear as day on larger sets.

Sofia Coppola tends to shoot soft. Her first film's HD transfer looks downright blurry. Not sure why. Her last two films also had a softness to them. I do tend to think as a director, LIT may be her masterpiece and from now on it is diminishing returns. Hopefully she will learn she needs a bit more story in her soup to hold our attention every time.
post #24 of 28
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Originally Posted by Jojos View Post

Most caps match those posted by eric.exe. There's a very slight difference between the French blu-ray and the US one: the French seems to have no DNR at all while the US still has a little (although much less than the HD DVD).

'Lost In Translation' has just been released in Australia (1-Feb-2012) .
I wonder how the pq compares to the other releases.
Here's a review (no screenshots) >>>



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Universal Home Video have generally improved significantly since their early releases on Blu-ray Disc, but is still very disconcerting to see the claim "perfect picture & purest digital sound" emblazoned in bold, italicised text across the top of the back cover. As the science of photography currently stands, perfect picture is a contradiction in terms. Also of note is that Sofia Coppola opted to shoot Lost In Translation on film. Her father urged her to shoot it on digital video, apparently, but the story goes that she felt that film feels "more romantic". That it may well do, but since experts agree that in order to equal the resolution of a 35mm film cel, a digital image needs to be 4000 pixels tall (yes, you read that right), I can think of nineteen million and change better reasons.

The credits state that the film was shot entirely on location in Tokyo and Kyoto. The film gives no credible reason to dispute this. The transfer is presented in a 1.85:1 aspect ratio within a 1920 by 1080 progressive window. As one would expect from a film shot on film in these places, it is sharp. However, it is not as sharp as I would have expected from this film, and I cannot help but feel some detail was lost in the transfer stage in this instance. Shadow detail is exactly as I remember it from the theatrical exhibition. Noise is evident in some night-time shots in small amounts, but it appears to be grain from the manner in which these sequences were shot rather than the low-level variety of noise.

The colours in the film were generally muted and subdued, with only a handful of bright or garish moments in places such as video arcades or neon-lit streets. Skin tones are very natural, and lighting is very well-controlled, without any flaring. The transfer does not introduce any bleeding or misregistration.

The transfer is compressed in the VC-1 codec. During one sequence where we see the broadcast of a talk show appearance Bill Murray's character makes, the image looks slightly pixelated due to an obviously deliberate effort to recreate the aesthetic of Japanese television, but this is the only time we see so much as a hint of what looks like compression artefacting. Film to video artefacts were not in evidence. Maybe a handful of film artefacts appear in the film, but one would have to really be looking hard for them to really notice.

Subtitles are offered in English for the Hearing Impaired. Interestingly, these subtitles also give us the unheard other end of phone conversations. They are mostly accurate to the spoken word and give good cues. The font is a little large for my taste, but the subtitles are very good otherwise.

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The video transfer is excellent, with Tokyo in particular making it clear that it is the high definition city. The audio transfer is good. Although the surrounds and subwoofer only get real use for a small fraction of the running time, the content really demands vocal clarity, and this transfer delivers.

Source:
http://www.michaeldvd.com.au/Reviews...ws.asp?ID=9930
post #25 of 28
My money is on it being the same transfer as the US release.
post #26 of 28
Reup of some dead links:

Comparison FR Blu-ray / US Blu-ray (1920x1080)
Comparison FR Blu-ray / US HD DVD (1920x1080)
Comparison FR blu-ray / US blu-ray (4x zoom)
Comparison FR blu-ray / US HD DVD (4x zoom)

Direct links (from the least DNR to the most):

-Full frame (1920x1080) : FR Blu-ray / US Blu-ray / US HD DVD
-Zoomed 4x frame: FR Blu-ray / US Blu-ray / US HD DVD
post #27 of 28
I seen those french vs american comparisons before elsewhere, unless im crazy or wrong, it looks like the french is simply slightly artifically sharpened...I know theres different views on this.
post #28 of 28
There's a new caps-a-holic screenshot comparison >>>

US Blu-ray versus FR Blu-ray versus US HD DVD versus HK DVD:

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...?hd_multiID=57
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