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post #1 of 156
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Anyone else have a Panasonic SD600K and, if so, do you love it?
Thanks.
post #2 of 156
Haven't pulled the trigger, but very interested in your impressions. The $499 price an Amazon is very tempting, though someone just posted it took three units to get a good one so that's not so promising. Please post your impressions once you get it.

CR just added the Sammy S10/S15/S16 to their reviews and they use MP4 not AVCHD and have peaked my interest but ccinfo hasn't reviewed them and I'd like to see some hard data rather than CR's weak summary. For some reason, their 720/60P format intrigues me. Since one of my goals is to video hockey, I wonder if 720P beats 1080/60i because of the motion. I know the Panny does 1080/60P but our PC's don't have the chops to process that video with any efficiency.
post #3 of 156
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Originally Posted by stljrs View Post

Haven't pulled the trigger, but very interested in your impressions. The $499 price an Amazon is very tempting, though someone just posted it took three units to get a good one so that's not so promising. Please post your impressions once you get it.

CR just added the Sammy S10/S15/S16 to their reviews and they use MP4 not AVCHD and have peaked my interest but ccinfo hasn't reviewed them and I'd like to see some hard data rather than CR's weak summary. For some reason, their 720/60P format intrigues me. Since one of my goals is to video hockey, I wonder if 720P beats 1080/60i because of the motion. I know the Panny does 1080/60P but our PC's don't have the chops to process that video with any efficiency.

I dont think Panasonic has a huge problem with quality control do they? No doubt it happens, though sometimes it could be other factors. Costco shipped my camcorder to me, and two of the three air bags were empty...no holes even! Yet empty! The interior box with the cam was just knocking around...Wth....thinking about taking it back and making them give me a new one if they have one in stock when I go to my parents for the holidays.

My point being, many variable come in to play, sometimes from the manufacturer, sometimes from the reseller, sometimes from a packing boy...lol. Is there some reason to think it is habitual problem from panny? (Sorry, I would have loved the 600 myself so I felt the need to stand up for them. )

Also, I dont know much, but for fast action, surely 60full frames per second beats 60 half frames interlaced without even having to think about it...and Just so I don't get yelled at, 1080 60p beats the c$#% out of both....)
post #4 of 156
As I always say, it's best to read some of these reviews very carefully. This sounds like something I read in Amazon in which the the guy was testing them on a resolutions chart. This makes me think he would have returned different camcorders as well.

I'm not saying he's trying to be misleading. It's just that I read about this often when people are looking for HD TVs. Some will go through a lot of them until they find one with the most uniform image.

On the other hand, if we had a whole bunch of people doing that to camcorders, maybe the quality from all manufacturers will go up. Still for the people that does these tests, it's best to post detailed results online rather than just implying that they scientifically tested a few and only got one good out of them without posting their testing results.
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Knowing my luck, Amazon would ship me one of his returns as new...... and yes it was the guy who was using a resolution chart that returned his first two. I wonder if I could just use an eye chart...........

Sammy doesn't really have the track record with Camcorders though we have a Sammy TV, Monitor, and Laptop and have had good luck with them. But CC's are a different animal. Makes we wonder if they make their own or have someone make them. I like the idea of mp4 over avchd for the drag and drop option. Makes it easier to share videos. If the Canon or Sony or Panny name was on the S-10 @$450 on Amazon, it would probably be selling very well.
post #6 of 156
wow, when did they start selling the sd600 stateside? I just saw it on amazon today! Is the sd700 available here now as well?
post #7 of 156
Does anybody know the physical size of the camcorder? I cannot find it anywhere. Thanks
post #8 of 156
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With the battery it's about 5 3/8" x 2 3/4" (including the strap) x 2 1/2". Fits absolutely perfectly in the Tamrac #5692 case that I already had (with some storage in the front for some cards and the included lens hood).
I'll be getting the Panasonic BN2 DVD Burner within a few weeks.
On a side note, I have it on the "HA" Recording Mode. Good call? That's the highest resolution before getting to "1080/60p" and allows for 1 hour of recording on an 8GB SDHC card. Any value in going to "HG" or "HX" other than recording time?
post #9 of 156
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Originally Posted by MMACory View Post

With the battery it's about 5 3/8" x 2 3/4" (including the strap) x 2 1/2". Fits absolutely perfectly in the Tamrac #5692 case that I already had (with some storage in the front for some cards and the included lens hood).
I'll be getting the Panasonic BN2 DVD Burner within a few weeks.
On a side note, I have it on the "HA" Recording Mode. Good call? That's the highest resolution before getting to "1080/60p" and allows for 1 hour of recording on an 8GB SDHC card. Any value in going to "HG" or "HX" other than recording time?

Thanks. I just ordered it on Amazon along with a Transcend TS32GSDHC10 card and a Lowepro Edit 110 bag.
Is your camcorder made in Japan? thanks
post #10 of 156
Hi guys, which are the differences between the sd600k and the tm700 ?

thank you
post #11 of 156
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Thanks. I just ordered it on Amazon along with a Transcend TS32GSDHC10 card and a Lowepro Edit 110 bag.
Is your camcorder made in Japan? thanks

It's made in Japan. Are they also made elsewhere (not that there's anything wrong with that; that I'm aware of)?
On a side note - so far so good. I think I got it worked out and will likely use "MANUAL" modes for low-light. Otherwise, I'll prolly stick with iA and Scenes.
post #12 of 156
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It's made in Japan. Are they also made elsewhere (not that there's anything wrong with that; that I'm aware of)?
On a side note - so far so good. I think I got it worked out and will likely use "MANUAL" modes for low-light. Otherwise, I'll prolly stick with iA and Scenes.

"made in Japan" means it is quality made.

I remember times when "made in USA" meant quality made.
post #13 of 156
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Originally Posted by galileo2000 View Post

"made in Japan" means it is quality made.

I remember times when "made in USA" meant quality made.

Maybe they don't have unions in Japan.
post #14 of 156
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Originally Posted by marcolisi View Post

Hi guys, which are the differences between the sd600k and the tm700 ?

thank you

I have the same question and trying to determine if $350 more is worth to go with the TM700 or I would be happy with just the SD600K for almost half the price. I am far far away from being a prosumer. Thanks.
post #15 of 156
Hi guys did someone bother to check with Pana the warranty status?
Someone on Amazon just posted a review saying that Pana "might" refuse the warranty.

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-HDC-...DateDescending

"Panasonic(US) Customer Support said that this camcorder meant to be sold for UK (may be in some other European Countries) and that's why Panasonic(US) may not support this product."

Might be FUD, might be not. The cam is not present on the Panasonic USA website.
post #16 of 156
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Originally Posted by galileo2000 View Post

Hi guys did someone bother to check with Pana the warranty status?
Someone on Amazon just posted a review saying that Pana "might" refuse the warranty.

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-HDC-...DateDescending

"Panasonic(US) Customer Support said that this camcorder meant to be sold for UK (may be in some other European Countries) and that's why Panasonic(US) may not support this product."

Might be FUD, might be not. The cam is not present on the Panasonic USA website.

That would be logical. Because USA models are NTSC and UK models PAL, the internal electronic circuits might not be the same for both versions. And American service centers might not have the right parts and documentations to repair PAL models.
post #17 of 156
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That would be logical. Because USA models are NTSC and UK models PAL, the internal electronic circuits might not be the same for both versions. And American service centers might not have the right parts and documentations to repair PAL models.

I thought we agreed it is NTSC.

Anyway, went to chat and here is the response:

"pana rep:Thank you for your inquiry, that unit is not available for retail in the North American Market from Panasonic, it wouldn't be covered under warranty.
me: how come both Amazon and B&H are selling this camcorder in the USA and Canada then?
pana rep: They could have gotten them form other suppliers sir
me: Ok, thanks. "

Nice, huh?
post #18 of 156
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Originally Posted by galileo2000 View Post

I thought we agreed it is NTSC.

Anyway, went to chat and here is the response:

"pana rep:Thank you for your inquiry, that unit is not available for retail in the North American Market from Panasonic, it wouldn't be covered under warranty.
me: how come both Amazon and B&H are selling this camcorder in the USA and Canada then?
pana rep: They could have gotten them form other suppliers sir
me: Ok, thanks. "

Nice, huh?

In other words, it's up to both Amazon and B&H (and any other store that sells this model in USA or Canada) to advise their customers that the warranty will not be honored by Panasonic if something goes wrong with that model.
post #19 of 156
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Originally Posted by alainhubert View Post

In other words, it's up to both Amazon and B&H (and any other store that sells this model in USA or Canada) to advise their customers that the warranty will not be honored by Panasonic if something goes wrong with that model.

In other words it comes down to the question of whether one is comfortable buying the cam without manufacturer's warranty.

Never seen anything like this before.

I am still in my 30-day window with Amazon. Don't know what to do.

Did Amazon and B&H steal those cameras from somewhere? Who the hell would put NTSC and/or 60p / 24p on the PAL cameras for them?

Obviously Panasonic itself made them (I don't think it could possibly be a counterfeit). So after they made them they decided to scrap them rather then sell them in NA?

Well, at least that explains all the price breaks and "lighting deals" from Amazon.

I smell something in the air, and it is not broken electronics.

Any lawyers around here?
post #20 of 156
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Originally Posted by galileo2000 View Post

In other words it comes down to the question of whether one is comfortable buying the cam without manufacturer's warranty.

Never seen anything like this before.

I am still in my 30-day window with Amazon. Don't know what to do.

This happens a lot with items bought from eBay stores that are not meant to be sold in other countries.

It all depends on your level of confidence on a particular product, and on the reputation of quality levels from such a company. But most importantly, the initial cost (money saved) and later resale value involved and averaged repair costs for such devices.

Personally, I would never buy a non-warranty-covered complex electronic item such as a camcorder over $200. But that's just me, that's my tolerance level. Yours might be higher. And, one year coverage is quickly gone anyway... You would have to be very unlucky to have a problem within a year that would require a repair! After that first year, we're all in the same boat (unless someone was gullible enough to pay for an extended warranty).
post #21 of 156
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Originally Posted by alainhubert View Post

This happens a lot with items bought from eBay stores that are not meant to be sold in other countries.

It all depends on your level of confidence on a particular product, and on the reputation of quality levels from such a company. But most importantly, the initial cost (money saved) and later resale value involved and averaged repair costs for such devices.

Personally, I would never buy a non-warranty-covered complex electronic item such as a camcorder over $200. But that's just me, that's my tolerance level. Yours might be higher. And, one year coverage is quickly gone anyway... You would have to be very unlucky to have a problem within a year that would require a repair! After that first year, we're all in the same boat (unless someone was gullible enough to pay for an extended warranty).

Well, this is not some ebay store, it is Amazon itself which is usually quite good.

All of sudden that $399 price does not look that attractive anymore.
post #22 of 156
Thread Starter 
Hmmm. Not one to be overly grabbed by internet rumors, but might someone like myself (kinda grabbed) send this back in exchange for a Sony CX-300?
post #23 of 156
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Hmmm. Not one to be overly grabbed by internet rumors, but might someone like myself (kinda grabbed) send this back in exchange for a Sony CX-300?

It is no longer a rumor. Pana rep confirmed that to me. You can do the same yourself by either going to live chat or calling them.

Why Sony and not TM700? basically the same price, $50 diff.
post #24 of 156
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How about the SD60?
post #25 of 156
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Originally Posted by MMACory View Post

How about the SD60?

SD60 does not have 1080p60 and 3mos(R,G,B) sensors.
post #26 of 156
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I don't care about 1080/60P and I wonder if 3 vs 1 sensor really matters much for me. Maybe, maybe not.
post #27 of 156
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I don't care about 1080/60P and I wonder if 3 vs 1 sensor really matters much for me. Maybe, maybe not.

No 24p telecine You probably don't care about that either.

Might be just your cam. Cheaper than SD600 and with the warranty.
post #28 of 156
Hi guys, I have a panasonic hs350 and I can tell u 1000000% that it is NOT covered by USA panasoni warranty.
I live in USA and I bought on ebay the HS350 from a japanese seller. My camcorder was less old than 1 year, so theoretically covered by a warranty. I called panasonic USA, they told me yes, send the camera for repair, we fix it.
I shipped it in. And after calling fo days, because they lost my camera in their repairing store.......they told me that they can NOT repair my camera becasuse it is a japanese model and that the panasoni customer support was wrong in telling me that they could fix it.......so after calling them back multiple times and they could NOT find my camera anymore.....I got the package camera shipped back to home...and they did NOT know it.

So:

1) NON USA panasonic camcorder are NOT under USA warranty.

2) Do NOT send the camera to panasonic....they lose it and they can not find it anymore.....and than u get it back home......

tx
post #29 of 156
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I'm processing an exchange for an SD60. As far as I know this is the first time I fell victim to internet hysteria.
Many thanks.
post #30 of 156
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I'm processing an exchange for an SD60. As far as I know this is the first time I fell victim to internet hysteria.
Many thanks.

"internet hysteria" ? I wasn't aware of any? Nobody forced you to order a SD600K you know? It's similar to shopping for a car; you don't have to get what the neighbors have. You have to evaluate your needs, budget and expectations first and go from there. Along the way, it's always a good idea to ask people who own different models that you're looking at what they think about it. But since these people are usually satisfied with what they bought, you should expect a certain bias on their part, and that's only natural. Everyone will tell you that THEIR camcorder is the best...for THEM.

Anyway, let's hope that the SD60 will do the job and satisfy you in every way.
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