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The Fighter is 5.1
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Originally Posted by Athlon646464 View Post

I was responding to the idea that it is the media player's manufacturer issue that it does not have the current API. Very often it is Netflix and their high licensing requirements instead. It certainly ain't free!!

I can believe that, though I should think that Netflix would want to keep the price low, so as not to discourage anyone from adding Netflix players to their products. Of course, at this point it's kind of de rigueur to include Netflix in your media player if you want it to be competitive, which no doubt gives Netflix a lot of leeway in pricing.

I can understand how initial licensing might reasonably cause some delays in getting Netflix on your product in the first place, but I'd expect access to new features for current licensees to be immediate for all, barring exclusivity agreements, like the one that Microsoft seemed to have for embedded console implementations for a year or so (and I suspect that Sony has now on use of the 1080p encodings). Anything else would seem like potential unfair restraint of trade. If you allow one licensed manufacturer to offer support for 5.1 soundtracks in their product while making me wait some months before I can offer it, in the meantime my product is a at a competitive disadvantage and it's your fault. I'm not a lawyer, but it seems legally actionable to me.

I've worked on numerous embedded software systems in hardware products which used a lot of off-the-shelf components--Java VMs, audio and video codecs, etc. AFAIK, every licensee of those component was informed of improvements and given access to the improved versions simultaneously. I can see that Netflix might want to review and sign off on your updated implementation before release, but they'd need to keep turnaround on that process pretty rapid. (If they do such reviews they're not very effective, given the glaring and immediately obvious bugs I've run across in some WI players).
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BTW - thank you for your list!

You're welcome .
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I think Roku 2 needs to be added to the 5.1 1080p players list. They have been advertising such and I can verify DD+. Also, it buffers quite a while and starts out with a very low resolution image... becoming much higher after a bit.
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I think Roku 2 needs to be added to the 5.1 1080p players list. They have been advertising such and I can verify DD+. Also, it buffers quite a while and starts out with a very low resolution image... becoming much higher after a bit.

You have one??? I thought that it'd be a few months before they became available.

EDIT: I see that they're up for order at their website. Amazon is listing it, for pre-order without an estimated date. I think that I'll pre-order from them to save the $8 shipping that Roku wants--I'm excited about the product, but with 5 Netflix streaming devices already (counting this "HTPC") I can wait.
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You have one??? I thought that it'd be a few months before they became available.

Best Buy had been stock piling them and today was release day. I didn't notice them at Fry's however... might be an exclusive for Best Buys for x number of days? It wouldn't be the first.
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Best Buy had been stock piling them and today was release day. I didn't notice them at Fry's however... might be an exclusive for Best Buys for x number of days? It wouldn't be the first.

I've been scanning for images of the GUI in a review, but none of the few reviewers seem to think that that might interest anyone . Could you possible snap a pic of the Netflix interface indicating 5.1 sound for a title and post it? Thanks!
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Can someone tell me if Skyline is in 5.1?
Thx
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Could you possible snap a pic of the Netflix interface indicating 5.1 sound for a title and post it? Thanks!

Here you go...
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Apparently the Roku 2 does bitstream DD+, I'm just trying to find out if it outputs 24FPS and if it does I'll buy one.

Charles, can you check and see if you can get Netflix to output 1080p/24FPS? I'd really appreciate it.

Also, they changed my UI on the PS3 again. It's somewhat better than the awful UI I had, and it's sort of a combination of the good one I had previously and the new one. There are more categories now.
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Here you go...

Thanks. Looks like they changed things more than I expected. Is the top level Netflix GUI the same? (I can hardly wait to get one of these things to see whether it gets the same 30%+-higher-bit-rate 1080p encodings that the PS3 gets).
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Charles, can you check and see if you can get Netflix to output 1080p/24FPS? I'd really appreciate it.

I have no way of selecting 1080p24... under settings if you select 1080p everything is output in 1080p60. Here's a couple of the menu...
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I have no way of selecting 1080p24... under settings if you select 1080p everything is output in 1080p60. Here's a couple of the menu...

Thanks for the pics! It looks as though it hasn't changed much if at all at the top. Does it indicate 5.1 in the "talk bubble" as you scroll through titles?
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Does it indicate 5.1 in the "talk bubble" as you scroll through titles?

No. I'm guessing it's using the same streams (and method) as the PS3... I only have 6Mbps and it buffers quite a while before displaying an image and then starts out very low resolution. After a bit it gets more detailed and detailed.
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Also, they changed my UI on the PS3 again. It's somewhat better than the awful UI I had, and it's sort of a combination of the good one I had previously and the new one. There are more categories now.
Sweet! Can you provide some pics for us too? It's encouraging to hear they've made a change after so many complaints for the scroll across terror UI we've been dealing with.
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No. I'm guessing it's using the same streams (and method) as the PS3... I only have 6Mbps and it buffers quite a while before displaying an image and then starts out very low resolution. After a bit it gets more detailed and detailed.
Yeah--my Panasonic DMP-BDT110 3D BD player does that adaptive bit rate thing, though it takes a while it before it starts playing. The PS3 leverages that tech to start playback in 1-3 seconds, displaying a quick-to-buffer-but-crappy encode first and gradually ramping up to higher bit rate, higher PQ encodes (quickly ramping up if your available bandwidth is very high). The BDT110 does not at this time switch encodes very smoothly; I often get a blank black frame or two between the old and the new encode (people have been calling them "black flashes"). It only happens during bad network conditions.
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Yeah--my Panasonic DMP-BDT110 3D BD player does that adaptive bit rate thing, though it takes a while it before it starts playing. The PS3 leverages that tech to start playback in 1-3 seconds, displaying a quick-to-buffer-but-crappy encode first and gradually ramping up to higher bit rate, higher PQ encodes (quickly ramping up if your available bandwidth is very high).
I had a DMP-BDT110 for quite a while and the Roku behaves differently for me. I stopped using the Panasonic a few months back. It would adjust its image slightly however the Roku starts out really low resolution (worse than 480p) and it takes quite a while for it the sharpen up. Of course the speed difference is probably controlled by the bandwidth speed to some degree such as the initial buffer time.
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Sweet! Can you provide some pics for us too? It's encouraging to hear they've made a change after so many complaints for the scroll across terror UI we've been dealing with.
It's pretty much the same in that respect except there are just more categories.

If the Roku2 is also locked into 60FPS I guess there's not much point in purchasing one to use over my PS3. Hopefully they'll eventually release a Netflix app on a device that supports 1080p/24 and DD+ bitstreaming. It shouldn't be that hard to do, I know there are a few devices that output Netflix @ 24.
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Right now the BDT110 is my favorite device for Netflix and VUDU. Navigation of the Netflix interface is a slow as compared to the PS3 and it doesn't have access to the 1080p encodes, but it has the other features of the PS3 (5.1 and closed caption support), it's dead silent and draws much less power.
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Right now the BDT110 is my favorite device for Netflix and VUDU.
I loved its interface and Roku should have VUDU. Streaming wise the Roku...

- Doesn't flash with resolution changes
- Draws almost no power (less than 2 watts streaming HD)
- Fan less
- Pretty sure it's getting the 1080p encodes
- Bluetooth remote works rather nicely (XS model)

Image wise I'm only going by memory but the Roku feels a litte more detailed (more 3Dish). I compared my test content... the opening scene of 24's season seven. Hopefully they will get Plex working with it as I'd probably like to stream DVDs and whatnot with it.
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When there's a device that can do both Vudu and Netflix @ 1080p/24 and bitstream DD+ I will buy.
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When there's a device that can do both Vudu and Netflix @ 1080p/24 and bitstream DD+ I will buy.
Why the love for 1080p/24? I have done several instant A/B comparisons between it and 1080p/60 and have yet to be able to tell any difference. This from a 120 inch image (1080p native projector). As an example I would watch the opening chase screen of the recent Bond flick. My projectors would display 1080p/24 natively.

Boxee Box does it for VUDU. Netflix does 1080p/24 and shows a 5.1 option but won't let you select it (quite yet).
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Why? Because most of the encodes on Netflix are 24FPS/30FPS (or so they stated years ago), and Vudu is certainly 24FPS. As for telling the difference, I certainly can, especially on film based material on my Sharp Aquos 60" LCD.
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As for telling the difference, I certainly can, especially on film based material on my Sharp Aquos 60" LCD.

With 24Hz are you displaying it at 120Hz or some such? Or native 24Hz. I know my TV converts 24Hz internally (accepts it but doesn't display it) so obviously I can't see a difference with it. Projector wise (mostly 48Hz) I looked many times. I guess the player's pulldown worked nicely.
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Native.
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Native.

At what refresh rate? My guess is you are seeing 120Hz which might explain why it looks better. With my projectors I pretty much had to use 48Hz which is slow enough to have its own issues.
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All I know is my display info shows 1080/24Hz when I display a movie- I have turned off film mode. When displaying a movie off my PC that's 24FPS I also use 1080p/24Hz.
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All I know is my display info shows 1080/24Hz when I display a movie- I have turned off film mode. When displaying a movie off my PC that's 24FPS I also use 1080p/24Hz.

That typically reports the input resolution not what's being displayed. Most sets (that support 24Hz) will multiple it to 72Hz, 120Hz, 240Hz, etc for output.
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Michael: I think I'm going to pick up a BDT110 off of Amazon for the streaming and sell the Avatar 3D disk on ebay (as I don't have a 3D display).

Edit- I just picked up a used one off Electronics-Expo for ~ $85 shipped (I doubt I'll play much Blu-Ray on it), and they show the Avatar offer on the page, so if Panasonic says it's invalid on a resold unit, I have proof to show Electronics-Expo. I've dealt with them before and they're a reputable outfit. If someone else offers a better overall streaming setup I'll just sell it and get something else. At this price it's cheap enough.
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Michael: I think I'm going to pick up a BDT110 off of Amazon for the streaming and sell the Avatar 3D disk on ebay (as I don't have a 3D display).

Edit- I just picked up a used one off Electronics-Expo for ~ $85 shipped (I doubt I'll play much Blu-Ray on it), and they show the Avatar offer on the page, so if Panasonic says it's invalid on a resold unit, I have proof to show Electronics-Expo. I've dealt with them before and they're a reputable outfit. If someone else offers a better overall streaming setup I'll just sell it and get something else. At this price it's cheap enough.

You do realize that with Netflix the Panasonic units flicker (black screens) up to a dozen or so times an hour? Some times hardly at all and at others a half dozen or so within a few seconds. If you think 1080p/60 is bad just wait. My line is rock solid and on average I'd guess I saw four or so an hour. Most likely the result of Netflix's servers or down stream varying their bandwidth.
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That's OK, I have the PS3 fall back on for Netflix, and I really wanted the BDT110 for 1080p/24 DD+ Vudu and the region-free firmware option. As I said, if I get $50-$60 for Avatar it's not such a big deal.
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