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post #271 of 554
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

You do realize that with Netflix the Panasonic units flicker (black screens) up to a dozen or so times an hour?

It only does that if available bandwidth on your connection to Netflix gets shaky (which may or may not have much to do with bandwidth between you and your service provider). I usually see it blink at the beginning as it ramps up to the higher bit rate encodings, but most of the time I can watch for hours and not see it happen at all. Many people say that they've never seen it.

As I said, it's my favorite Netflix player for now--I assume that the Roku 2 will blow it out of the water .

I have to say that I'm not in love with the Roku Netflix GUI--it's pretty anemic in comparison to the one on the BDT110, which used to be the one on my PS3:


In that one you can see 10 title thumbs from the group that you're browsing (instant queue, genre, etc), it breaks the genres down into several subgenres each, and displays up to 250 titles in any group. It's not particularly pretty (IMHO), but it's the most powerful embedded one that I've seen.
post #272 of 554
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

It only does that if available bandwidth on your connection to Netflix gets shaky (which may or may not have much to do with bandwidth between you and your service provider). I usually see it blink at the beginning as it ramps up to the higher bit rate encodings, but most of the time I can watch for hours and not see it happen at all. Many people say that they've never seen it.

I think it's highly dependent on your bandwidth or lack of. With only 6Mbps service (5.2Mbps pretty much solid) I'm just at the point where I can hit its highest quality. So any issues between me and them and I'm likely to see it. Others with faster speeds aren't riding so close to the edge. I saw it most often during primetime hours which is why I think it's Netflix related. My line tests out the same speed regardless of the time of day. If the Roku is using the PS3 encodes I'm guessing my bandwidth won't be enough to stream the highest speed continually. I know when I had the PS3 it would bounce between High and X-High on a regular basis.

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As I said, it's my favorite Netflix player for now--I assume that the Roku 2 will blow it out of the water .

If you throw out the Blu-ray player I'd clearly take the Roku for streaming.

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I have to say that I'm not in love with the Roku Netflix GUI--it's pretty anemic in comparison to the one on the BDT110, which used to be the one on my PS3:

I'm not one to care about the interface. I don't even need a search... just let me access my queue fairly easily and I'm happy. Plus going forward there is no guarantee any of them won't change so it's hard to get excited. Outside of support for DD+ and 1080p.
post #273 of 554
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

It only does that if available bandwidth on your connection to Netflix gets shaky (which may or may not have much to do with bandwidth between you and your service provider). I usually see it blink at the beginning as it ramps up to the higher bit rate encodings, but most of the time I can watch for hours and not see it happen at all. Many people say that they've never seen it.

As I said, it's my favorite Netflix player for now--I assume that the Roku 2 will blow it out of the water .

I have to say that I'm not in love with the Roku Netflix GUI--it's pretty anemic in comparison to the one on the BDT110, which used to be the one on my PS3:


In that one you can see 10 title thumbs from the group that you're browsing (instant queue, genre, etc), it breaks the genres down into several subgenres each, and displays up to 250 titles in any group. It's not particularly pretty (IMHO), but it's the most powerful embedded one that I've seen.

Anyone using the WD? I like the interface and 1080P is gorgeous. What I miss is any quality indicator (just my eyes


bob
post #274 of 554
Has anyone noticed that the InstantWatcher iPhone app is no longer available in the Apple app store?

I wrote the developer but haven't received a reply.

I recently had to reload my iPhone and I really miss the InstantWatcher app.
post #275 of 554
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Anyone using the WD? I like the interface and 1080P is gorgeous. What I miss is any quality indicator (just my eyes


bob

I'm using the WD Live Plus (2 of them) and I think it's great! The API is like the one pictured the MichaelScott post your quote is from.
post #276 of 554
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Anyone using the WD? I like the interface and 1080P is gorgeous. What I miss is any quality indicator (just my eyes

That interface looks like the one on the Boxee Box (and others). Does the WD change its resolution dramatically when it begins streaming Netflix or do you only see modest resolution changes? I'm wondering if it's using the PS3 or other encodes... I have used almost all of them and the Roku 2 behaves differently as it starts with an extremely low resolution and within a couple of minutes it appears to be the best I've seen... the same method the PS3 is doing I believe. Although when I had a PS3 it was more subtle... perhaps handled internally a little differently.

I guess Michael has some testing to do! The Roku 2 and WD.
post #277 of 554
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I'll be testing the Roku 2 XS, but I don't forsee buying a WD TV Live Plus or Boxee Box.
post #278 of 554
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I'll be testing the Roku 2 XS, but I don't forsee buying a WD TV Live Plus or Boxee Box.

The Live Plus is cheaper. Actually if the WD is getting the 1080p encodes I think it's far superior. At least if local streaming interests you at all. If Boxee Box fixes their HD audio issue I think it's well worth the extra hundred. I keep waiting for them to resolve it...
post #279 of 554
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Originally Posted by clar2391 View Post

Has anyone noticed that the InstantWatcher iPhone app is no longer available in the Apple app store?

I wrote the developer but haven't received a reply.

I recently had to reload my iPhone and I really miss the InstantWatcher app.

I recently added the instantwatch ROKU channel (not sure it's from the same developer?) and I really like it.

Maybe they're updating the iphone app ? I just got a message saying not available in the US store. Maybe they got bumped because the app linked to their web site for purchase? They have been purging apps that do that. Even Amazon blinked. Or it may be an incompatibility with the new iOS? (because they specify lack of availability in the US store, I think that's probably not the reason, though)

EDIT -- just checked their facebook page.... they say


InstantWatcher We apologize. The IW iPhone app should be back on the iPhone app store any day now. Thank you.
Sunday at 8:27am


edit 2 if you want a preview of the free roku channel interface for instant watch browser , this guy did a little demo http://youtu.be/7aea2gmDxzs The paid version lets you add the movie to your netflix queue while browsing the 'iw' interface.
post #280 of 554
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

The Live Plus is cheaper. Actually if the WD is getting the 1080p encodes I think it's far superior. At least if local streaming interests you at all. If Boxee Box fixes their HD audio issue I think it's well worth the extra hundred. I keep waiting for them to resolve it...

Yeah, I know it's about $10 cheaper, but the Roku is infinitely expandable (well, may not "infinitely" ). There's a buttload of apps in their channel store and more seemingly every day (let's not forget Angry Birds , which I already have on my PC and Nook Color). Most of them are useless, but there's always the chance that a good one will pop up.

Neither the Roku or Live Plus offer VUDU yet .

Amazon just gave me an estimated delivery date of Monday so they must be expecting stock by Friday. It was worth the wait to save $8 in either shipping or local sales tax.
post #281 of 554
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

That interface looks like the one on the Boxee Box (and others). Does the WD change its resolution dramatically when it begins streaming Netflix or do you only see modest resolution changes? I'm wondering if it's using the PS3 or other encodes... I have used almost all of them and the Roku 2 behaves differently as it starts with an extremely low resolution and within a couple of minutes it appears to be the best I've seen... the same method the PS3 is doing I believe. Although when I had a PS3 it was more subtle... perhaps handled internally a little differently.

I guess Michael has some testing to do! The Roku 2 and WD.

I have a 20mb connection and netflix always comes up (after retrieving) full speed; never see a change in PQ except from title to title, of course.

Thw WD is set to output 1080P/60 hz so that is what I get.

bob
post #282 of 554
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

The Live Plus is cheaper. Actually if the WD is getting the 1080p encodes I think it's far superior. At least if local streaming interests you at all. If Boxee Box fixes their HD audio issue I think it's well worth the extra hundred. I keep waiting for them to resolve it...

I got the wd because I need to stream my BD rip library also.

bob
post #283 of 554
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I got the wd because I need to stream my BD rip library also.

This PC is connected to the same panel and AVR as all the rest of my stuff, so I use it for things like that.
post #284 of 554
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Thw WD is set to output 1080P/60 hz so that is what I get.

Yes - the question is whether Netflix is sending 720p or 1080p.
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I got the wd because I need to stream my BD rip library also.

No HD audio no WD for me.
post #285 of 554
Admittedly I hardly ever click on "audio and subtitles" so this was probably answered somewhere but I just noticed this. When I click on "audio and subtitles" on my PS3 for any 5.1 titles, I'm seeing 2 options for "English (Dolby Digital Plus 5.1)"

What's the difference (if any)?

What is also interesting (and I just noticed this as well) is my foreign movies list three English options (stereo plus the two 5.1 options with the the first 5.1 option selected) and "None" for subtitles....even though they play in the native language with subtitles. For a second there I was afraid it was going to start playing dubbed (I would have an internet meltdown!).

Strange.
post #286 of 554
Set up the Roku to output 5.1
Tried three different titles that say they are 5.1 (Black Death, 21 Grams, The Crow)
Plenty of bandwidth (9Mbit)

What am I missing?
post #287 of 554
I'm not familiar with the Roku interface, but on the PS3 there is an "audio and subtitles" section for each movie where you can select whether you want the stereo or 5.1 track.

On the PS3, it always defaults to 5.1 for me (so I hardly ever go into it). I don't know if the menu is similar on the Roku, but given the late hour (at least here on the East coast), figured I'd take a shot in the dark at helping you out. If you have an option like that, check it out to make sure the 2.0 track isn't selected.
post #288 of 554
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Originally Posted by mproper View Post

I'm not familiar with the Roku interface, but on the PS3 there is an "audio and subtitles" section for each movie where you can select whether you want the stereo or 5.1 track.

That was it exactly! Thanks! I love AVS.

You get more helpful information here than anywhere else. I tried Netflix customer service and they sent me a lame e-mail that wasn't any help. Shouldn't even have bothered.
post #289 of 554
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Originally Posted by mproper View Post

Admittedly I hardly ever click on "audio and subtitles" so this was probably answered somewhere but I just noticed this. When I click on "audio and subtitles" on my PS3 for any 5.1 titles, I'm seeing 2 options for "English (Dolby Digital Plus 5.1)"

What's the difference (if any)?

What is also interesting (and I just noticed this as well) is my foreign movies list three English options (stereo plus the two 5.1 options with the the first 5.1 option selected) and "None" for subtitles....even though they play in the native language with subtitles. For a second there I was afraid it was going to start playing dubbed (I would have an internet meltdown!).

Strange.

I have posed your 1st question twice on this site and once on another site; no one seems to know nor care.

I A/B-ed the two options, and option 2 seems to be a bit clearer with more detail. I will disclose that this may be a bit of self fulfilling prophecy as I called Netflex and asked if there was a difference in bit rate, etc. The guy who answered my call said that he didn't think there was an actual difference but that option 2 sounded better to him. I hope this helps and really look forward to more input.

BTW-the answer I got on the other site was to stick to Blu Ray as streaming was a waste of time anyway.
post #290 of 554
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

I got the wd because I need to stream my BD rip library also.

bob

Same here. My WD will play anything I throw at it, and stream Netflix in HD w/5.1 as well!
post #291 of 554
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Originally Posted by wgmontgomery View Post

I A/B-ed the two options, and option 2 seems to be a bit clearer with more detail. I will disclose that this may be a bit of self fulfilling prophecy as I called Netflex and asked if there was a difference in bit rate, etc. The guy who answered my call said that he didn't think there was an actual difference but that option 2 sounded better to him. I hope this helps and really look forward to more input.

Maybe michaelscott could do a couple bandwidth tests between the two to see if there's any difference bandwidth-wise? I A/B'd both and couldn't really tell any difference, but my ears suck (I can't even tell a noticeable difference between lossless and lossy for the most part).

Can anyone confirm or deny that another device besides the PS3 that does 5.1 shows two different options for 5.1 sound (I see three options: Stereo, and then two options for 5.1 DD+)
post #292 of 554
Mad Men is 5.1. Wondering if I should sell my Blu-Ray set now...
post #293 of 554
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Originally Posted by mproper View Post
"None" for subtitles....even though they play in the native language with subtitles. For a second there I was afraid it was going to start playing dubbed (I would have an internet meltdown!).
The "none" is for selectable subtitles. The ones with burned-in subs don't have metadata about it.
post #294 of 554
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Maybe michaelscott could do a couple bandwidth tests between the two to see if there's any difference bandwidth-wise?

I did a comparison between 5.1 and Stereo and the difference was about 100 Kbps; bandwidth for digital audio is kind of down in the noise and I doubt that there'd be much difference between those two same-label 5.1 soundtracks (if they actually are different). I'm going to tweet Netflixhelps to ask about it. (EDIT: I tweeted, "The audio/subtitles menu for many or all streams lists two identically labelled DD+ 5.1 sound choices. Is there a difference?").
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Amazon just gave me an estimated delivery date of Monday so they must be expecting stock by Friday. It was worth the wait to save $8 in either shipping or local sales tax.

I got a shipping notice today and they're sending it via ONTRAC, so should be here tomorrow morning by 11--cool .
post #295 of 554
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I did a comparison between 5.1 and Stereo and the difference was about 100 Kbps; bandwidth for digital audio is kind of down in the noise and I doubt that there'd be much difference between those two same-label 5.1 soundtracks (if they actually are different). I'm going to tweet Netflixhelps to ask about it. (EDIT: I tweeted, "The audio/subtitles menu for many or all streams lists two identically labelled DD+ 5.1 sound choices. Is there a difference?").

Ok. I think it would at least show if they are identical or not. Curious if you get a response.
post #296 of 554
Why does Netflix use pcm for stereo content? They should be using DD for stereo content too, and save some bandwidth or leave the bandwidth the same and increase the audio quality.
post #297 of 554
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Why does Netflix use pcm for stereo content? They should be using DD for stereo content too, and save some bandwidth or leave the bandwidth the same and increase the audio quality.

I thought that they were using DD2.0--that's what the PS3 video info display said when you brought it up when playing a stream on their old disc-based player. Perhaps your player chooses to convert. I can't imagine that they're streaming uncompressed stereo PCM.
post #298 of 554
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Originally Posted by mproper View Post

Ok. I think it would at least show if they are identical or not. Curious if you get a response.

It's possible, but my test method isn't that precise. I press PLAY and start a stopwatch when I see video appear, then take a snapshot of the graph at 14 minutes. I could be off by a second or two at either end, which could create a few 100 Kbps difference from test to test.
post #299 of 554
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

It's possible, but my test method isn't that precise. I press PLAY and start a stopwatch when I see video appear, then take a snapshot of the graph at 14 minutes. I could be off by a second or two at either end, which could create a few 100 Kbps difference from test to test.

Ahhh.... gotcha.
post #300 of 554
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I thought that they were using DD2.0--that's what the PS3 video info display said when you brought it up when playing a stream on their old disc-based player. Perhaps your player chooses to convert. I can't imagine that they're streaming uncompressed stereo PCM.

I'll need to check again. My devices typically bitstream other content.
Although the Ps3 also shows dd for Vudu instead of bitstreaming DD+ like it should be. But I also haven't used my Ps3 iv awhile. I've been using either a TiVo or Boxee Box.
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