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post #451 of 554
Yes with MPEG 4, 10mb/s average bitrates with 20mb/s peaks, VUDU HDX(3 bar) does a great job.
But there is also a huge difference between 3 bar HDX and 1 bar HDX.
post #452 of 554
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Yes with MPEG 4, 10mb/s average bitrates with 20mb/s peaks, VUDU HDX(3 bar) does a great job.
But there is also a huge difference between 3 bar HDX and 1 bar HDX.

1 bar HDX looks really good, so I can only imagine how good 3 bar HDX looks.
post #453 of 554
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Yes with MPEG 4, 10mb/s average bitrates with 20mb/s peaks, VUDU HDX(3 bar) does a great job.
But there is also a huge difference between 3 bar HDX and 1 bar HDX.

Actually what I see from 3 bar VUDU HDX is a very nearly perfect 9 Mbps, with peaks around 13 Mbps in an extremely active 10 minute sequence (very much less variable than Netflix). The advertised average is 9 Mbps: "Quality Requirements SD 1 Mbps to 2 Mbps HD 2.25 Mbps to 4.5 Mbps HDX 4.5 Mbps to 9 Mbps".

Downloaded HDX on the original VUDU STB was 10 Mbps--I'm not sure that they make encodings like that anymore. Why not just download a version of the streaming encoding?
post #454 of 554
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Originally Posted by DRC72 View Post

Obviously blu-ray will always have the advantage, and I never said VUDU was blu-ray quality, but for a streaming service they actually do a nice job with the audio and picture quality, despite the compression that is used. While not truly lossless, Dolby Digital Plus sounds much more better than standard Dolby Digital.

I hear ya. It wasn't bad and I must admit it was my first time trying out VUDU on the PS3 right after I watched RIO on Bluray, just to compare.

Hopefully, we will see uncompressed audio streaming eventually.

What kind of bandwith are we looking at to stream Blu-Ray quality audio and video? I am guessing my 30mpbs connection won't hack it.
post #455 of 554
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Okay--it'd be a horrible shame if the audio on VUDU compared favorably with the BD, since, the BD's track being DTS-HD MA, it was probably encoded in at literally 10 times the bit rate. Most DTS-HD MA tracks are record at 1.5 to 4 Mbps; 1.5 Mbps is more than the bandwidth required for VUDU SD and 4 Mbps is almost the maximum bit total bit rate of a 720p encoding.

Neither VUDU or any of these streaming services today is going to give you an experience which equals BD. So?

Relax, pal.
post #456 of 554
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Originally Posted by drewTT View Post

Relax, pal.

I'm sorry, did I seem tense and worked up? Don't worry, I wasn't angry or anything .
post #457 of 554
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Actually what I see from 3 bar VUDU HDX is a very nearly perfect 9 Mbps, with peaks around 13 Mbps in an extremely active 10 minute sequence (very much less variable than Netflix). The advertised average is 9 Mbps: "Quality Requirements SD 1 Mbps to 2 Mbps HD 2.25 Mbps to 4.5 Mbps HDX 4.5 Mbps to 9 Mbps".

Downloaded HDX on the original VUDU STB was 10 Mbps--I'm not sure that they make encodings like that anymore. Why not just download a version of the streaming encoding?

I was only going from memory so I knew it was somewhere around there. On the VUDU forums they used to tell us that the 3 bar HDX had 19 or 20mb/s peaks. So I guess the peaks might be lower now, but I would also expect the encoding to also be better now than they were a year or two ago.

Either way you can't argue with the results. 3 Bar HDX titles look and sound very good. While not BD quality the majority of people(ie. people not on thsi forum) would not notice a difference between the two.
post #458 of 554
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Updated. There are 517 available titles in the list as of 2 September (17.6% of 2943 total HD titles, 19 New!, 14 expirations, 3 expired titles renewed). Enjoy!
post #459 of 554
Thank you!!
post #460 of 554
Here's another (possible) addition to the list. They've added Star Trek The Animated Series to the catalog, and it's listed as HD and 5.1 on the PS3. Produced in 1973, so there's no way the soundtrack was done in stereo, but perhaps Paramount remastered it and created a faux 5.1 audio track for it?
post #461 of 554
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Interesting. I update this list by going to instantwatcher.com and sorting HD titles by "instant release date" and examining the entries added since the last time I updated. Instantwatcher.com does not list Star Trek: The Animated Series, surprising, since I'm sure he's just using Netflix's web API.

I'm not sure that I'll bother to add it. Though it does have the option, and when I play it my AVR says it's encoded in DD+, it can't truly have 5.1 sound. (The same could be said of ST:TOS but its a beautiful restoration and worthy of the list despite probably not really being 5.1). This is also extremely cheesy old animation .
post #462 of 554
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Interesting. I update this list by going to instantwatcher.com and sorting HD titles by "instant release date" and examining the entries added since the last time I updated. Instantwatcher.com does not list Star Trek: The Animated Series, surprising, since I'm sure he's just using Netflix's web API.

I'm not sure that I'll bother to add it. Though it does have the option, and when I play it my AVR says it's encoded in DD+, it can't truly have 5.1 sound. (The same could be said of ST:TOS but its a beautiful restoration and worthy of the list despite probably not really being 5.1). This is also extremely cheesy old animation .

I'm getting audio from all channels. Like many older titles it has to be re-mixed.
But the original Live Action Star Trek from the 60's on BD was also remixed with a 7.1 audio track
post #463 of 554
Be nice if they actually fixed the PS3's output so it can decode to DD. Apparently Sony just doesn't seem to care enough about these things to put pressure on Netflix to fix it.
post #464 of 554
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Originally Posted by DaveFi View Post

Be nice if they actually fixed the PS3's output so it can decode to DD. Apparently Sony just doesn't seem to care enough about these things to put pressure on Netflix to fix it.

I don't own a PS3, so I'm speculating here a little.......

Because Netflix does provide 5.1 to many devices, the code exists. Why would Netflix be the one to fix it? Why doesn't Sony just update their firmware so you can use the latest Netflix API?
post #465 of 554
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Originally Posted by Athlon646464 View Post
I don't own a PS3, so I'm speculating here a little.......

Because Netflix does provide 5.1 to many devices, the code exists. Why would Netflix be the one to fix it? Why doesn't Sony just update their firmware so you can use the latest Netflix API?
We're talking "to-the-metal" code. The hardware of different devices is different, and controlled differently--one set of code cannot be written to control all.

In software systems like this with a generic GUI, typically a "hardware abstraction layer" (HAL) approach is used. Netflix gives the OEMs a specification defining an "application programming interface" (aka API) which they must implement on their hardware platform to give Netflix's generic code access to hardware functions. There might be a call to ask the platform to "play this buffer of encoded sound and call me back when you're done" (not likely anything nearly so simple, at least insofar as video playback is concerned).

In any case, I'm certain that Netflix is passing the DD+ to the PS3's HAL and the PS3 is deliberately choosing to convert it into something else. Perhaps, for whatever reason, the ability to output DD+ from the PS3 is not exposed to applications and is only available to the BD/DVD playing software.

It definitely puts the PS3 at a disadvantage--DD+ decoded in my AVR sounds much better than the 7.1 channel LPCM that the PS3's Netflix player pumps out.
post #466 of 554
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post
We're talking "to-the-metal" code. The hardware of different devices is different, and controlled differently--one set of code cannot be written to control all.

In software systems like this with a generic GUI, typically a "hardware abstraction layer" (HAL) approach is used. Netflix gives the OEMs a specification defining an "application programming interface" (aka API) which they must implement on their hardware platform to give Netflix's generic code access to hardware functions. There might be a call to ask the platform to "play this buffer of encoded sound and call me back when you're done" (not likely anything nearly so simple, at least insofar as video playback is concerned).

In any case, I'm certain that Netflix is passing the DD+ to the PS3's HAL and the PS3 is deliberately choosing to convert it into something else. Perhaps, for whatever reason, the ability to output DD+ from the PS3 is not exposed to applications and is only available to the BD/DVD playing software.

It definitely puts the PS3 at a disadvantage--DD+ decoded in my AVR sounds much better than the 7.1 channel LPCM that the PS3's Netflix player pumps out.
DD+ works fine from the VUDU application on the PS3. The only issue with DD+ I've seen is from the netflix application..
post #467 of 554
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

DD+ works fine from the VUDU application on the PS3. The only issue with DD+ I've seen is from the netflix application..

Ah. That would be on Slims--no such luck on my launch-model 60GB Fat. But still, it says that the ability to output DD+ is exposed for use by other apps.
post #468 of 554
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Ah. That would be on Slims. But still, it says that the ability to output DD+ is exposed for use by other apps.

Yes, I'm using a Slim but
I also might be mis-remembering. It might only be outputting DD. I was messing with it when they had the Netflix update that always sent out 7.1 over HDMI whether Netflix had 2.0 or 5.1 audio.
VUDU did at least send out DD from VUDU instead of the PCM it was sending from Netflix.
I guess I need to check it out again. It's getting confusing keeping things straight after messing around with the different media players.
post #469 of 554
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

We're talking "to-the-metal" code. The hardware of different devices is different, and controlled differently--one set of code cannot be written to control all.

In software systems like this with a generic GUI, typically a "hardware abstraction layer" (HAL) approach is used. Netflix gives the OEMs a specification defining an "application programming interface" (aka API) which they must implement on their hardware platform to give Netflix's generic code access to hardware functions. There might be a call to ask the platform to "play this buffer of encoded sound and call me back when you're done" (not likely anything nearly so simple, at least insofar as video playback is concerned).

In any case, I'm certain that Netflix is passing the DD+ to the PS3's HAL and the PS3 is deliberately choosing to convert it into something else. Perhaps, for whatever reason, the ability to output DD+ from the PS3 is not exposed to applications and is only available to the BD/DVD playing software.

It definitely puts the PS3 at a disadvantage--DD+ decoded in my AVR sounds much better than the 7.1 channel LPCM that the PS3's Netflix player pumps out.

If I am understanding you correctly, it's still up to Sony to 'fix' it, which was my point.

I just don't think Netflix can just flip a switch on their end like he was implying they should do.
post #470 of 554
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Originally Posted by Athlon646464 View Post

If I am understanding you correctly, it's still up to Sony to 'fix' it, which was my point.

I just don't think Netflix can just flip a switch on their end like he was implying they should do.

I missread your post--sorry. Hopefully someone gets something out of my reply .
post #471 of 554
I'm just talking about the latest Netflix PS3 app bug where it passes everything as PCM 7.1, before it at least sent a proper DD5.1 bitstream and PCM for 2.0. As for Vudu on the PS3 it's also DD5.1, no "+".
post #472 of 554
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I missread your post--sorry. Hopefully someone gets something out of my reply .

NP, and I did.
post #473 of 554
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Originally Posted by DaveFi View Post

As for Vudu on the PS3 it's also DD5.1, no "+".

It's kind of tough to tell on VUDU as everything is transcoded to LPCM, but my hunch is that the VUDU app is indeed using DD+ when specified, as some movies sound incredibly good.
post #474 of 554
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Originally Posted by DaveFi View Post

I'm just talking about the latest Netflix PS3 app bug where it passes everything as PCM 7.1, before it at least sent a proper DD5.1 bitstream and PCM for 2.0. As for Vudu on the PS3 it's also DD5.1, no "+".

That's what I thought. After I posted I was pretty sure I was mis-remembering about DD+.

For Netflix, the Roku2 is currently the best box to use right now since it plays the 1080P streams and also bitstreams the 5.1 DD+. For VUDU I like using my Boxee Boxes. They will bitstream the DD+ from the VUDU application.

Currently the PS3 is almost as bad as the Revue right now since they both send out 7.1 pcm over HDMI no matter how many channels are being played back from Netflix. Although at least the PS3 can play back the 1080P streams. And I guess if you have a 5.1 setup, you won't have to worry about two dead channels when playing back the 5.1 content.
post #475 of 554
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Originally Posted by DRC72 View Post

It's kind of tough to tell on VUDU as everything is transcoded to LPCM, but my hunch is that the VUDU app is indeed using DD+ when specified, as some movies sound incredibly good.

Change to 5.1 PCM and the Vudu app will bitstream a DD5.1 signal.
post #476 of 554
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Remember, some VUDU titles are in "basic" DD and some in DD+. Sometimes only HD and HDX encodings get surround; sometimes one get DD and the other DD+. I ran across one title where only the HD encoding had DD+; both the SD and HDX encoding had only stereo sound.
post #477 of 554
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Remember, some VUDU titles are in "basic" DD and some in DD+. Sometimes only HD and HDX encodings get surround; sometimes one get DD and the other DD+. I ran across one title where only the HD encoding had DD+; both the SD and HDX encoding had only stereo sound.

Yeah I saw that as well... Kind of weird considering that you pay more for HDX,
post #478 of 554
This has always been the case with HDX. But it is not a common occurance.
post #479 of 554
Hi guys,

I'm on the PS3 application team at Netflix. Sorry about this 7.1 LPCM bug; we should have it fixed for the next release.

A temporary workaround seems to be going into the PS3 menu and selecting "Audio Settings" -> "HDMI" -> "Manual" -> Deselect all 7.1 and 5.1 LPCM output options. After doing this, I was able to use PLII/Neo6 again.

Hopefully this helps!
post #480 of 554
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Originally Posted by lomic View Post

Hi guys,

I'm on the PS3 application team at Netflix. Sorry about this 7.1 LPCM bug; we should have it fixed for the next release.

A temporary workaround seems to be going into the PS3 menu and selecting "Audio Settings" -> "HDMI" -> "Manual" -> Deselect all 7.1 and 5.1 LPCM output options. After doing this, I was able to use PLII/Neo6 again.

Hopefully this helps!

Thanks for the update!
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