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post #481 of 600
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

I think now they can fire Fiona, her boss knew he couldn't do it because she cheated on him but the drugs and being in jail can...

Goodbye salary, health insurance, etc..

She was damn lucky to get a job with a company where she wasn't forced to pee in a cup!

Can you imagine what an outfit like Fox News would do with a story like Liam's?!?!?!?!
Edited by cinema13 - 2/10/14 at 1:46pm
post #482 of 600
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Originally Posted by cinema13 View Post

She was damn lucky to get a job with a company where she wasn't forced to pee in a cup!

Can you imagine what an outfit like Fox News would do with a story like Liam's?!?!?!?!

LOL. Poor Liam! I did not see that coming eek.gif

Bobby (the brother) is a jerk. He won't stop harassing Fiona Glad they found Ian but he seems out of it. Denying it ever happened.
post #483 of 600
I'm just surprised that the show doesn't have a bigger audience. I look at the threads on here and see so many fans of so many BLAH, insipid, and/or generic shows. While SHAMELESS always surprises. This past episode would have been a hell of a season finale forh most other shows. But it's only Episode 5!!!! Nice not to have to wait a year to see what happens next.
Edited by cinema13 - 2/14/14 at 2:26pm
post #484 of 600
I watch every episode but it has a tendency for shock value.

And they're always under a dark cloud. Characters do stupid things but they are always in deep ****.
post #485 of 600
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Originally Posted by wco81 View Post

I watch every episode but it has a tendency for shock value.

And they're always under a dark cloud. Characters do stupid things but they are always in deep ****.

Life for the poor is often like that. And the deep **** can be never-ending. In fact, in my life I've come across people who've been through worse. Sadly, not everyone is able to rise above their circumstances, (Although the characters in the U.S. version don't seem to have let their gym memberships lapse! lol)
post #486 of 600
I don't think Frank constantly finding scams to get high or people willing to help him get high, like Shelia is believable.

Or the guy having sex with his mother in law so that she can be a surrogate for their child.

Or Fiona not only screwing her boyfriend's brother but doing so while he's nearby, on a couple of occasions.

It make for entertaining TV but I'm not sure it reveals anything about these characters. It seems more a series of shocking antics.
post #487 of 600
It would seem to me that this most recent turn of events should be enough to cost Fiona her guardianship. No way the state would allow her to keep the kids now.

What do you suppose was going through Lip's head as he stood there watching Fiona get carted off to jail? Is he realizing that he must quit school and return to fix the mess Fiona has made? Or did he see the world he didn't want to continue to be a part of, thus fueling his drive to graduate? If it's the former, I feel so bad for him, especially since he was finally starting to put in the effort it took to succeed.
post #488 of 600
Good posting. Well Ian is over 18 right? He could take care of the family. Scratch that, he went AWOL from the military eek.gif
Fiona will end up getting out, I'm sure. After all, it's only a fictional TV series tongue.gif
post #489 of 600
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Originally Posted by Young C View Post

Good posting. Well Ian is over 18 right? He could take care of the family. Scratch that, he went AWOL from the military eek.gif
Fiona will end up getting out, I'm sure. After all, it's only a fictional TV series tongue.gif

If Ian was 18 he wouldn't have had to use Lip's ID to get into the Army

I'm guessing the brother comes forward to take the fall - since it was his coke.
post #490 of 600
Good point! Forgot about Ian taking Lip's ID.
post #491 of 600
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Originally Posted by cuzzin View Post

It would seem to me that this most recent turn of events should be enough to cost Fiona her guardianship. No way the state would allow her to keep the kids now.

What do you suppose was going through Lip's head as he stood there watching Fiona get carted off to jail? Is he realizing that he must quit school and return to fix the mess Fiona has made? Or did he see the world he didn't want to continue to be a part of, thus fueling his drive to graduate? If it's the former, I feel so bad for him, especially since he was finally starting to put in the effort it took to succeed.
I think he had mixed feelings. He's kind of screwed no matter which path he chooses. He is kinda like Michael Corleone in Godfather 3, no matter how many times I try to get out they pull me back in. And Fiona should lose her guardianship. She can claim the coke wasn't hers but she still snorted it. Once the Army catches up with Ian and they find out he is Lip's brother Lip will have some explaining to do since he said he didn't know him.
post #492 of 600
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Originally Posted by wco81 View Post

I don't think Frank constantly finding scams to get high or people willing to help him get high, like Shelia is believable.

Oh it's believable. trust me! (But not MY personal experience!)

Or the guy having sex with his mother in law so that she can be a surrogate for their child.

Desperate times call for desperate measures. I've heard stranger stories.

Or Fiona not only screwing her boyfriend's brother but doing so while he's nearby, on a couple of occasions.

Some people get off on dangrous sex. The thrill of possibly getting caught does come into play for some people. For example. those who try it in semi-public places. (Like a phone booth, when they were still around.) Not the majority of people. of course. but not unheard of.

It make for entertaining TV but I'm not sure it reveals anything about these characters. It seems more a series of shocking antics

Well, the show IS called SHAMELESS, after all. But you can't look at these folks as living by the same standards as suburban middle-class America. It's about survival, trying find satisfaction, and getting through life by any means necessary



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post #493 of 600
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Originally Posted by acebreathe View Post

I think he had mixed feelings. He's kind of screwed no matter which path he chooses. He is kinda like Michael Corleone in Godfather 3, no matter how many times I try to get out they pull me back in. And Fiona should lose her guardianship. She can claim the coke wasn't hers but she still snorted it. Once the Army catches up with Ian and they find out he is Lip's brother Lip will have some explaining to do since he said he didn't know him.

So in a nutshell, everyone is royally screwed!
post #494 of 600
Depressing episode. Too much sadness and "low" subjects.
post #495 of 600
Frank looks like he's at the end of the road!
Even if he did manage to find a liver donor- it's doubtful they would operate, just seems like he's too far gone at this point... but again... this is Shameless so you never know?
post #496 of 600
Too much drama not enough comedy this season. Also, I think they writers took major left turns with key characters:

Fiona, in past seasons wouldn't go away with Jimmy/Steve due to the family. Now she is purely reckless and was constantly away from the family for a guy she barely liked.

In past seasons Lip was getting perfect scores on the SAT for strangers and recruited by professors for research projects. Now he can't hack 101 courses?

Carl has been awesome though.

Its still well done, just not what I signed up for.
post #497 of 600
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Originally Posted by dc_pilgrim View Post

Too much drama not enough comedy this season. Also, I think they writers took major left turns with key characters:
Fiona, in past seasons wouldn't go away with Jimmy/Steve due to the family. Now she is purely reckless and was constantly away from the family for a guy she barely liked.

In past seasons Lip was getting perfect scores on the SAT for strangers and recruited by professors for research projects. Now he can't hack 101 courses?

Carl has been awesome though.

Its still well done, just not what I signed up for.

Agreed.
post #498 of 600
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Originally Posted by dc_pilgrim View Post

Too much drama not enough comedy this season. Also, I think they writers took major left turns with key characters:

Fiona, in past seasons wouldn't go away with Jimmy/Steve due to the family. Now she is purely reckless and was constantly away from the family for a guy she barely liked.

In past seasons Lip was getting perfect scores on the SAT for strangers and recruited by professors for research projects. Now he can't hack 101 courses?

Carl has been awesome though.

Its still well done, just not what I signed up for.
Agree with the part about Lip. Although he's no longer the big fish in a small pond he should not be struggling this badly. It has been talked about on the show that Fiona was a wild girl in the past and no one is surprised to see that side of her emerge again. And she is only gone for the night. Carl has been awesome and the Debbie storyline has been creepy at times. I'm waiting to see if they have the balls to kill Frank off and if they don't how they save him. He's got to be close to last on a donor waiting list and what doctor would give him a new liver knowing he's only going to ruin it. Yeah I know it's Shameless. Can someone please explain to me why Sheila is still around.
post #499 of 600
Yeah, things are bleaker than they've been in the past, but I still look forward to the show as much as I did BREAKING BAD. (Yes, I do think it's that good...and BB often was more "far-out and unbelievable than any turns SHAMELESS has taken. Despite things being downbeat, the show still had some laugh out loud moment. Sheila's comment to the Indian at breakfast ("Hope you can sit down") to the hospice visit, to Frank's explanation to the new daughter as to how she was conceived. That their is still plenty of humor in an episode with such serious repercussions is one of the show's many strengths.

As for Lip, acing an SAT isn't the same as writing a treatise on Kant. One can be very smart but necessarily acclimated to college expectations. I don't see him staying there, as the other students are like aliens to him. They come from a different life than he does.

Regarding killing Frank, I wouldn't be surprised if Fiona gave him her liver...if only to make up for what she blames herself for. Or at least to get back some good graces. Of course, Frank has been on the British series for 10 years...maybe more if it's still running! (And I still think there's more to Liam's cocaine ingestion than we've seen so far. They seem to be making a point of people asking "Where was he?" "Did you see him?" "Thought he was in the living room." etc. etc).

The only thing that I'd say was out-of-character was Fiona being with Rob while the brother was in another room (and having anything to do with him in the first place). But her boss was maybe TOO good for her, as was noted. Sometimes people do things they shouldn't without knowing why...and regret it later.

Although Sheila's story seems now seperate from everything else that's going on, I do like her Indian boyfriend. Wouldn't mind seeing more of him. But since she packed up and drove away to spend some time with him, it could conceivably be the last we see of her for a while. (Makes me wonder how Steve is doing.)

Yeah, things are bleaker than they've been in the past, but I still look forward to the show as much as I did BREAKING BAD. (Yes, I do think it's that good...and BB often was more "far-out and unbelievable than any turns SHAMELESS has taken.) I certainly look forward to this show more than WALKING DEAD, JUSTIFIED, and other shows I enjoy. I think SHAMELESS is just an a much higher involvement level.
post #500 of 600
couldn't they call Scott Grimes' character "Dr Morris"?
post #501 of 600
It depends on how much SHO wants to keep this show around.

If they do renew, I'm sure they'll find some way to keep Frank alive. Macy was the biggest name in the cast, probably still is.
post #502 of 600
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Originally Posted by cinema13 View Post

Yeah, things are bleaker than they've been in the past, but I still look forward to the show as much as I did BREAKING BAD. (Yes, I do think it's that good...and BB often was more "far-out and unbelievable than any turns SHAMELESS has taken. Despite things being downbeat, the show still had some laugh out loud moment. Sheila's comment to the Indian at breakfast ("Hope you can sit down") to the hospice visit, to Frank's explanation to the new daughter as to how she was conceived. That their is still plenty of humor in an episode with such serious repercussions is one of the show's many strengths.

There was still humor indeed, but the balance of drama to comedy is much more skewed this season towards drama than past seasons. But personally, I have no problem w/ that; it's good drama.
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]As for Lip, acing an SAT isn't the same as writing a treatise on Kant. One can be very smart but necessarily acclimated to college expectations.

This is true, but I think it's more about how when you're so smart, it's easy to develop terrible study habits in HS and still perform great, but when you get to college, everyone is smart, but it requires a lot of work to perform well- you can't get by just on your intelligence.
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I don't see him staying there, as the other students are like aliens to him. They come from a different life than he does.

Yes, college was like Mars for Lip, but he's starting to get it and fit in. He's learned he has to work hard. He's learned how to talk to Professors (from the previous episode). His friendship w/ his roomate seems to be progressing, from what he did for Lip coming to the hospital. Did you see the look on his face when he saw he got a B+ on his paper? I foresee an upcoming conflict: Lip is getting comfortable in his college experience, but just as that's happening, things are heating up at home and w/ Fi's legal problems, I think Lip will be in a situation where he'll have to decide between college and his family.
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Regarding killing Frank, I wouldn't be surprised if Fiona gave him her liver...if only to make up for what she blames herself for. Or at least to get back some good graces. Of course, Frank has been on the British series for 10 years...maybe more if it's still running! (And I still think there's more to Liam's cocaine ingestion than we've seen so far. They seem to be making a point of people asking "Where was he?" "Did you see him?" "Thought he was in the living room." etc. etc).

Good points; I also had thoughts that Fi would change her mind and give Frank one of her livers. Though from what the Dr. said, it seems there's so many problems that it's too late for a transplant. But I find it hard to believe they'll do away w/ Macy.
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The only thing that I'd say was out-of-character was Fiona being with Rob while the brother was in another room (and having anything to do with him in the first place). But her boss was maybe TOO good for her, as was noted. Sometimes people do things they shouldn't without knowing why...and regret it later.

I think Fi did think he was too good for her. And someone from her world would be very uncomfortable in his world. And self-sabotage is very common in these types of situations. There's also often a fear of success in people who come from families like the Gallaghers.
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Although Sheila's story seems now seperate from everything else that's going on, I do like her Indian boyfriend. Wouldn't mind seeing more of him. But since she packed up and drove away to spend some time with him, it could conceivably be the last we see of her for a while. (Makes me wonder how Steve is doing.)

I love Sheila's character and am glad she's still being featured; I hope her trip to the Res doesn't mean she'll be out of the show for any significant period.. As for Steve, did you hear the gunfire as the boat pulled away? I think he's history.
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Originally Posted by cinema13 View Post

Yeah, things are bleaker than they've been in the past, but I still look forward to the show as much as I did BREAKING BAD. (Yes, I do think it's that good...and BB often was more "far-out and unbelievable than any turns SHAMELESS has taken.) I certainly look forward to this show more than WALKING DEAD, JUSTIFIED, and other shows I enjoy. I think SHAMELESS is just an a much higher involvement level.

While I wouldn't put Shameless at the same level as BB (only the Wire and Sopranos occupy that stratosphere in my book), it is only one level down. Great show!
post #503 of 600
Great comments everyone. Enjoyed reading them all.

Shameless is also one of my favorite shows but I have to agree that the balance towards drama was slanted in this last episode. I felt depressed from seeing everything that was going on. But on the other hand that is the sign of good drama. if it can create that type of emotions on their viewers.

I am looking forward to see how will everything be be sorted out..
post #504 of 600
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As for Steve, did you hear the gunfire as the boat pulled away? I think he's history.

The gunshot sound effect wasn't in the original scene; it was added into the "last season" recap at the beginning of this season. But yes, the producers did confirm Jimmy's death. I was hoping we would see Fiona learn about it, but I don't know how she would, given the Dexter-like body disposal methods of the man who killed him. Plus, Fiona's stress level right now is already at critical mass without having to hear about how her former boyfriend was dismembered.
post #505 of 600
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Originally Posted by cuzzin View Post

The gunshot sound effect wasn't in the original scene; it was added into the "last season" recap at the beginning of this season. But yes, the producers did confirm Jimmy's death. I was hoping we would see Fiona learn about it, but I don't know how she would, given the Dexter-like body disposal methods of the man who killed him. Plus, Fiona's stress level right now is already at critical mass without having to hear about how her former boyfriend was dismembered.

Good catch- I guess when I saw the recap I thought I had just missed it the 1st time. So, it would appear they were still undecided about whether Jimmy would return at the end of last season, but then decided he wouldn't and added the shot to the recap to let the audience know.
post #506 of 600
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Originally Posted by JimWinVA View Post

I also had thoughts that Fi would change her mind and give Frank one of her livers.

Just a matter of reference; While we have two kidneys, we only have one liver. You only get part of a liver in a transplant..... wink.gif
post #507 of 600
Showtime Renews ‘Shameless’ & ‘House Of Lies’
By NELLIE ANDREEVA | Tuesday February 18, 2014 @ 9:29am PST | deadline.com

Showtime has made 12-episode orders for a Season 5 of blue-collar dramedy Shameless and Season 4 of dark comedy House Of Lies to air in 2015. They join previously picked up comedy Episodes to complete a renewal of the network’s entire winter original lineup. Shameless, House Of Lies and Episodes air originals on Sunday night. Shameless‘ current liesfourth season is pacing as its highest-rated season yet, averaging 5.5 million weekly viewers across platforms, up 8% vs. Season 3. House Of Lies is averaging 3 million viewers per week across platforms, on par with its second season. The series starring two-time Emmy nominee Don Cheadle hit a season high last week.

http://www.deadline.com/2014/02/showtime-renews-shameless-house-of-lies/
post #508 of 600
I thought I remember reading somewhere that the showrunners said Jimmy/Steve was dead.

That said it wouldn't suprise me if now that they have been signed on for a new season if maybe they didn't try to bring him back. Never know what is going to happen on this show.

Anyone know why Chatwin left to being with? Maybe it was just so he could film the movie "No Stranger Than Love" which is in post-production now?

It is great to hear they are going to be coming back though. This is definitely one of my favorite shows on TV.

As far as the Lip college stuff goes, that has been bothering me too. If he really was as smart as they acted like in the earlier seasons he wouldn't be having this much trouble, at least not with all his classes. Yeah maybe he would have trouble with the Lit course, but the physics, engineering, math, and econ courses shouldn't be too hard for him. Especially not freshmen level courses. I just figure the writers had to come up with some sort of conflict there.

Still can't figure out the Ian stuff. Seems like he might be hooked on some kind of drug now. Can't believe he would have just went AWOL like that, the military seemed like it had been his dream forever. Hope they start covering this more in the upcoming weeks.
post #509 of 600
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Originally Posted by bobby94928 View Post

Just a matter of reference; While we have two kidneys, we only have one liver. You only get part of a liver in a transplant..... wink.gif

How dare you expose my medical ignorance! tongue.gif
post #510 of 600
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Originally Posted by Young C View Post

Showtime Renews ‘Shameless’ & ‘House Of Lies’
By NELLIE ANDREEVA | Tuesday February 18, 2014 @ 9:29am PST | deadline.com

Showtime has made 12-episode orders for a Season 5 of blue-collar dramedy Shameless and Season 4 of dark comedy House Of Lies to air in 2015. They join previously picked up comedy Episodes to complete a renewal of the network’s entire winter original lineup. Shameless, House Of Lies and Episodes air originals on Sunday night. Shameless‘ current liesfourth season is pacing as its highest-rated season yet, averaging 5.5 million weekly viewers across platforms, up 8% vs. Season 3. House Of Lies is averaging 3 million viewers per week across platforms, on par with its second season. The series starring two-time Emmy nominee Don Cheadle hit a season high last week.

http://www.deadline.com/2014/02/showtime-renews-shameless-house-of-lies/


Best TV news I've heard this year! Thanks for posting this. Just had a conversation yesterday with a friend and we both were saying the show is too good for most viewers and we were doubtful if it would return. So this is welcome news, as is the rise in viewers. Let's hope Macy and Rossum are not ignored for the next Golden Globe/Emmy round of nominations.
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