Who makes the finest full range loudspeaker? - Page 3

That particular arrangement is designed for those living south of the equator. The physics is different there. Water flushes the other way and all that.

Short answer, it doesn't ... I've heard those twice and both times thought WTF was Dynaudio thinking? There are $1000 speakers that outperform them IMO.

Those big MBL's are stunning. They're a listening experience unlike anything else. The imaging can feel artificial at times, but they're so much fun that you don't care.

Man! You spend all that money and the they install them upside down!

My wife and I listened to Enya on a pair of B&W 800's a few years ago. I didn't know music could sound so wonderful until then. It was a moving experience.

If only I had that kind of $$.

Actually, this is very far from the truth as in this case function trumps form. What you see is a physical time alignment of the drivers, and it works very well. What you also don't see is the send set of 12" woofers inside the cabinet in a compound loaded design, with the bass section being mechanically de-coupled from the plinth and the front baffle.

I am curious as to where you were able to hear the Consequence Ultimates?

They were at at RMAF in '08 and '09

Actually they were only at the 09' RMAF and the 09' CES. You of course know that the rooms at either of these shows are not appropriate for such a full range speaker, wait until you hear them in an appropriately sized room. In fact Hi Fi Plus just had a great review of the Consequence Ultimate edition and they were able to achieve the full effect of such a full range speaker.

Hmm, could have swore I heard them at RMAF both times ... I've been to so many shows they all blend together.

Could the rooms be better? Sure. Are the rooms good enough to properly evaluate the speakers? Yes as well.

Dynaudio has produced plenty of great sounding speakers, the Ultimate Consequence isn't one of them however.

If you have the room AND the money

http://www.wisdomaudio.com/products_grande.php

The Infinite Wisdom Grande is the pinnacle of our achievements, representing a milestone in the evolution of loudspeaker design. Unlike any other system ever produced, it was conceived for environments too large for other systems, including multi-level rooms in the largest homes and palaces, great halls and ballrooms. Employing stacked three section planar-magnetic arrays over 13 feet tall, low frequency assemblies over 8 feet tall and a total system weight of almost two tons, this is a monumental system.

Drivers (Planar Array Line Source) Six 75"x3" Planar Magnetic/Channel
Drivers (Low Frequency Regenerator) Twelve 12" Underhung 3" coil
Line Source Driver Weight 258 lbs. each channel
Low Frequency Magnet Weight 456 lbs. each channel
Frequency Response 10-25,000 Hz
Horizontal Dispersion Over 130 degrees
Vertical Dispersion 12' Line Source
Sensitivity 1W/1M Equivalent 91dB Equivalent Ratio
Line Source (Nominal Impedance) 5.5 ohms
Line Source (Minimum Impedance) 5.5 ohms
Low Frequency Regenerator Impedance Choice of 2, 4 or 6 ohms
Active Crossover Point (Planar Array and Woofers) 100 Hz
Active Crossover Point (Planar Array and Woofers) 600 Hz
Passive Components None
Required Channels of Amplification 12 (14 to 20 as an option)
Max. Power Handling (Planar Array Line Source) 6000 watts per channel
Max. Power Handling (Low Frequency Regenerator) 12000 watts per channel
Recommended Amplifier Power (Planar Array Line Source) 200-750 watts per channel (x4)
Recommended Amplifier Power (Low Frequency Regenerator) 600-6000 watts per channel
Complete System Weight 3800 lbs.
Line Source Cabinet (H" x W" x D") 160" x 21" x 60"
Low Frequency Cabinet (H" x W" x D") 102" x 32" x 48"

I don't know what a "send set" is. I've seen plenty of time aligned speaker designs and they all included an inclined baffle. I've never seen a tweeter on the floor to improve time alignment. Interesting, but I fail to see how this doesn't compromise high frequency performance. Perhaps they're meant to be hung?

Sorry, typo, I meant to say "second" set of woofers. The bottom tweeter has a much more focused dispersion pattern so there isn't any interaction with the floor.

I respect your opinion, however I would love for you to hear them in an appropriately sized room. The Consequence is not for everyone and it wasn't built to be like all of the other speakers on the market.

My good freinds father has a pair of Polk SDA SRS in mint condition, he bought them 30 years ago and I doubt they have even 100 hours of use on them. He has them in his finished basement that is about 1000 sqaure feet and these are the only speakers I have heard that not only fill the entire room with incredible sound without even breaking a sweat, but they are also the only speakers I have heard that don't need a powered subwoofer to get great bass. I have a pair of Deftech BP7001s and they don't even come close to the bass capabilities of those Polks. The only problem with those speakers is they need a huge room to perform their best.

Something many don't know is the Polks avtually have to be bolted to a stud and yes Polk includes the bracket and attachement bolt to anchor it to the wall. My buddies father told me he paid about 3,000 for the pair brand new 30 years ago and has also told me he will leave em to me in his will.

Only problem is I will need a whole new house to properly use em.

You mean it's like a tractor beam?

Yep, it suck you right in!

Some can say it and some have measurements to back it up, Including AES papers on the topic. YG's measurements are not actually accurate and if someone wants accuracy they should look elsewhere.


The proof is really in controlled listening tests. Take away the brand name, looks and price tag and you would be amazed what the true conclusions are

Listening to anything without controls in place is just a waste of time in terms of making valid conclusions. Lots of studies have been done to prove with its very important to control all variables involved.

Well, I'm your huckleberry, Penn! How are YG's measurements not accurate? BTW, that milled aluminum cabinet is one dead mofo!

PSB Platinum T8


PSB makes great looking speakers.

Then again you're not exactly unbiased are you

A lot of these suggestions aren't even on the same planet as stuff like the Raidho C4.0, the big MBL's, or a Tidal Sunray. How about the biggest Soundlabs? That's an experience that 99.5% of people even here have no comprehension of, and can make a lot of these suggestions sound like a wave radio.

Of course I agree with that, but why did my original statement elicit that response? I build a speaker that deserves to be in the Finest Standmount discussion at 1/10th the cost of many others in the fray ... of course cost isn't an absolute indicator.

It's a fair question, but based on reviews I've seen it doesn't seem to hurt the listening experience at all.

PSB makes mostly nice-looking speakers, while not really usually my favorite looks-wise, but that T8 definitely is easily the best-looking speaker in this thread With the grille on espeecially. At least that color choice has too much contrast in the front panel without.

Maybe not this group, but it's not like others haven't heard them (Jeff Fritz I believe had commented that they sound spectacular). Google it up!