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post #31 of 51
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Originally Posted by andreasy969 View Post

Please note: I just took the shots in a hury, and I hope (I don't think so), I didn't screw up any settings

Your shots are at TV levels, which is why they are so much brighter. There are also visible JPEG compression artifacts.

I think the Paramount encode wins slightly because Sony's encode has those weird crosshatching macroblocks (recalling from memory).
post #32 of 51
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Originally Posted by eric.exe View Post

Your shots are at TV levels, which is why they are so much brighter.

I think, I got that right (my shots are the darker shots on the right), but as I said, I cannot guarantee it, as I made the shots in a hury. Thanks for the hint anyway.

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There are also visible JPEG compression artifacts.

Low bandwidth - so I didn't have the time to upload the PNGs right now. Sorry 'bout that. But as I said, it's not a proper comparison anyway.

You may be right about the better encoding of the US disc. I could even spot some artifacts in the PNGs.
post #33 of 51
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Originally Posted by eric.exe View Post

Your shots are at TV levels, which is why they are so much brighter. There are also visible JPEG compression artifacts.

In fact, the old transfer lacked punch. Wrong gamma.
post #34 of 51
Any idea if release will make it to Canadian Best Buys?
post #35 of 51
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Originally Posted by eric.exe View Post

Your shots are at TV levels, which is why they are so much brighter. There are also visible JPEG compression artifacts.

I just took the time to fix the Sony shots in my comparison (now PC level, matched frames and *.pngs). You were right about the TV levels, so thanks again for the hint.

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I think the Paramount encode wins slightly because Sony's encode has those weird crosshatching macroblocks (recalling from memory).

Yes. I never noticed this before, but the Sony disc does indeed seem to have some kind of weird blocking (I only see it, if I zoom into the pictures). I just thought there's something wrong with my shots, but I can see it on the older shots made by Patsfan123, too. Very strange.
post #36 of 51
Saw this last night and yes, the EE was noticeable to me. Probably a little more than American Beauty. On a 92 FP set-up it was a moderate annoyance, because other aspects of the image were actually quite good.
post #37 of 51
Paramount US | Sony UK/EU












post #38 of 51
Wow...look at shot #8. If you switch back and forth you can see instant results in favor of the new US disc. Hairs on Russell's sideburns that weren't there on the UK disc seem to appear

And what's with the smear mark on UK #1?
post #39 of 51
Basically the same. Definitely same master but the Sony release has a slightly redder tint. Also there is some strange artifacting on the Sony release, most noticeably in high motion. The only shot that really looks different is shot 12. The US version looks slightly contrast boosted and sharpened. No other shots exhibit this...
post #40 of 51
As much as I love this film, I think the $10 UK BD I got nearly a year ago will suffice. I can't even see a difference without my computers zoom feature. Both suffer from EE though.
post #41 of 51
Does the BB version include the theatrical cut? The back of the box didn't have an MPAA rating and only listed "Unrated". If there's no theatrical version included with the Blu-ray, I'll pass.
post #42 of 51
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Originally Posted by richiek View Post

Does the BB version include the theatrical cut? The back of the box didn't have an MPAA rating and only listed "Unrated". If there's no theatrical version included with the Blu-ray, I'll pass.

It's the "director's edition" bootleg cut only.
post #43 of 51
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Originally Posted by InspectorToschi View Post

As much as I love this film, I think the $10 UK BD I got nearly a year ago will suffice. I can't even see a difference without my computers zoom feature. Both suffer from EE though.

Same here.

I also think that the UK BD has better cover art that would never get used over here.
post #44 of 51
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Originally Posted by InspectorToschi View Post

I can't even see a difference without my computers zoom feature.

On my 60" TV there is a bit of difference when flipping between the images, but until the sorter run-time comes out I'll stick with the Sony release.
post #45 of 51
Second last one in huge favor of the paramount release. Although why did they have to add EE grrr.
post #46 of 51
I haven't seen this movie in a long time...will have to check it out again.
post #47 of 51
There is a diff, but in no way enough for me to get the US over the UK
post #48 of 51
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Originally Posted by eric.exe View Post

Paramount US | Sony UK/EU

Thanks for the comparison!

Here's a quote from a review:
 

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I didn't give high marks to the UK release (and my scores for the Japanese version would have been the same, even if there are a few tiny differences) of 'Almost Famous,' so what does one do when the American release is inferior in visual quality? Knock it down a point or two! Paramount's release of the Bootleg Cut of the film is a slight disappointment compared to the other releases, with an AVC MPEG-4 encode that screams, "Hey, I've been tampered with!"

The problems with this release of the film are a bit of a laundry list. Skin tones are more extreme than before, as what was once a somewhat mellow standard has become an extreme, too red or too pale, more often than not. There's some slight edge work visible, as well as minor noise, questionable shadow details, random white and black blips that are scattered throughout the film (and while frequent, are hardly prevalent), some light aliasing, and most troubling, a bit of the ol' DNR. Backgrounds can be unusually static, faces can be waxy and overly smooth sometimes, and there are even a few shots of Penny Lane's hair that have been messed with, as the once buoyant, wild hair becomes a flat wash out of nowhere, between shots that are normal. If the previous releases had some minor hints and allegations of criminal alteration, this release has police-outlined corpses and evidence markers.

The picture that was once consistent, good or bad, is now inconsistent and somewhat unpredictable. Whites remain busy and blacks a bit soft and weak. I'm a bit bummed out.

Source:
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/4493...s_bootleg.html


Edited by amoergosum - 7/18/12 at 2:39pm
post #49 of 51
I would actually like to order an edition of Almost Famous but I'm still not sure which one I should go for.
Ralph Potts' review and the highdefdigest review sound so contrary >>>

Ralph Potts:
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This is a solid looking high definition Blu-ray catalog release from Paramount. It boasts clean, well depicted colors that offer a good mix of secondary hues that appear natural. The soft hues and sepia tones that represent the period specific colors have realistic texture and spot on tonal balance. Facial complexions and skin tones are warm, with pinkish highlights that rarely appear unnatural. The level of detail present noteworthy which especially enhanced dimension during bright wide angle camera shots. There are minor fluctuations in apparent resolution that are more than likely related to the original photography and don't infringe upon fidelity. In most cases I had no trouble making out the thread patterns in clothing/furniture or the texture on surfaces in the 1.85:1 framed image. There are instances where the video takes on an edgy quality but I don't feel it was excessive or distracting. Black and white levels are stable which gives a fair level of pop to colors and brighter exterior sequences while keeping darker or low lit segments looking noticeably punchy with crisp blacks and visibly gradational detail in shadowy backgrounds. Grain is well preserved, even layered and unobtrusive while providing a noticeable texture that is film like and ultimately rewarding. The print is in decent shape and artifacts are kept to a minimum.

Source:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1310106/almost-famous-the-bootleg-cut-official-avsforum-review


Highdefdigest:
Quote:
I didn't give high marks to the UK release (and my scores for the Japanese version would have been the same, even if there are a few tiny differences) of 'Almost Famous,' so what does one do when the American release is inferior in visual quality? Knock it down a point or two! Paramount's release of the Bootleg Cut of the film is a slight disappointment compared to the other releases, with an AVC MPEG-4 encode that screams, "Hey, I've been tampered with!"

The problems with this release of the film are a bit of a laundry list. Skin tones are more extreme than before, as what was once a somewhat mellow standard has become an extreme, too red or too pale, more often than not. There's some slight edge work visible, as well as minor noise, questionable shadow details, random white and black blips that are scattered throughout the film (and while frequent, are hardly prevalent), some light aliasing, and most troubling, a bit of the ol' DNR. Backgrounds can be unusually static, faces can be waxy and overly smooth sometimes, and there are even a few shots of Penny Lane's hair that have been messed with, as the once buoyant, wild hair becomes a flat wash out of nowhere, between shots that are normal. If the previous releases had some minor hints and allegations of criminal alteration, this release has police-outlined corpses and evidence markers.

The picture that was once consistent, good or bad, is now inconsistent and somewhat unpredictable. Whites remain busy and blacks a bit soft and weak. I'm a bit bummed out.

Source:
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/4493/almostfamous_bootleg.html


...and here's the Blu-ray.com review >>>
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Almost Famous almost looks good. Paramount's 1080p Blu-ray transfer is something of a disappointment, but it's still a step above any previously-released standard-definition presentation. The picture is plagued by a myriad of problems, none of which prove debilitating, but definitely amount to annoyances that together insert something negative into almost every frame to drag down the overall experience. Whether some blocky backgrounds, poor color gradations, slight edge halos, a subtle but nonetheless evident overly sharp look, grain that sometimes appears frozen in place, random white speckles, sloppy background noise, a generally flat appearance, or the occasional plastic-like texture, Almost Famous definitely won't be in the running for best catalogue transfer of 2011. It sports many of the same issues seen in another of Paramount's recent disappointing catalogue offerings, American Beauty, but this one lacks the "Sapphire Series" label to further complicate matters. Still, there's no doubting that Paramount's Blu-ray yields solid details and superior clarity and resolution as compared to other releases of Almost Famous. Colors are solid as well, as are blacks and flesh tones. In fact, the transfer's steady and accurate palette may be its best attribute. This is not a bad overall image by any stretch of the imagination, and fans will still want to splurge on the upgrade. Still, it probably should have been better than this, and a remaster somewhere down the road is necessary to give this wonderful film the release it deserves.

Souce:
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Almost-Famous-Blu-ray/19904/#Review
post #50 of 51
I watched the US Blu-ray for the first time yesterday. Yes, there is edge enhancement and there are white specks here and there. There was one scene which looked very video-like (soap opera look) to me...weird. Overall I was able to enjoy watching it though.

The UK Blu-ray has these weird vertical lines so I guess the US Blu-ray is the way to go >>>

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/index.php?art=magnify&x=173&y=261&action=1&image=8&vergleich=almost_famous&lossless=0#vergleich

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/index.php?art=magnify&x=639&y=364&action=1&image=6&vergleich=almost_famous&lossless=0#vergleich

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/index.php?art=magnify&x=445&y=173&action=1&image=1&vergleich=almost_famous&lossless=0#vergleich
post #51 of 51
The UK Blu-ray is poorly compressed, it was one of those very early AVC encodes that looks very strange in motion, in specific spots. Sony churned out a number of discs that way and Almost Famous was one of them. I do happen to own both of them but I haven't gotten around to watching the American Paramount BD. I would have to think the American disc authored using a more recent AVC encoder would look better.
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