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post #1 of 23
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So I'm looking at buying a pair of good quality speakers and a receiver for around 500$.

Bookshelf speakers are preferred, but if there are better floorstanding for a similar price, I would change my opinion.

The receiver should be 5.1.

I am only looking to buy a pair of speakers and upgrade with a subwoofer and 3 others later.

They would mainly be used for listening to music (Electronic dance music is the preferred genre, followed by alternative rock and classical). Watching movies and playing games are a secondary to music.

They will be used in a medium sized room. But I plan on upgrading to a living room in the near future.

I plan on buying used, so besides kijiji and ebay. Where else would be good? Or would there be new speakers for a reasonable price?

Bang for the buck always applies, if the differences between speakers are minute, yet they cost 300$ difference, I will take the cheaper ones. The opposite applies, I can go over the 500$ budget if there is a great deal.

You help is appreciated, thanks!
post #2 of 23
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Actually floorstanding would not fit and would need to be part of the later 5.1 upgrade
post #3 of 23
Depends on what you are hoping to achieve with your system.
I've learned, after spending a bundle on "upgrades", that it is better to wait and save than to go the upgrade route. You always wind up spending far more than by waiting and saving for the speakers you really want.

Were it me in your position and had to go the upgrade route I'd buy speakers that would move to the "surround" position, or in another room.
For instance, as a Paradigm fanboy, I'd buy a pair of Atoms to go with the receiver and when I had enough saved I'd buy the fronts I really want...in your budget and listening needs of course...and move the Atoms to the surrounds...hmmm that is actually what I did. I started with a pair of Atoms then a pair of Titans...daughter has them...then a pair of Monitor 3's...son has them...now a pair a Monitor 11.s...the final step...until I start to move to the Studio line if I am so inclined.

Over a period of time I put together a very nice 5.1 system and made use of my "replaced" speakers.
I use the Atoms as surrounds, rather than the Titans or Monitor 3's, because of the dreaded "wife approval factor".

Regarding the receiver. You may find the Pioneer line to have a very nice selection of receivers that are within your budget range and according to reviews, in magazines and podcasts, sound very good as well.

Good luck and keep us informed.
post #4 of 23
-Infinity Primus p163 $280

-Pioneer VSX-520-K

Thats about as good as you'll get with your small budget
post #5 of 23
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Originally Posted by Kai Winters View Post

For instance, as a Paradigm fanboy, I'd buy a pair of Atoms

Yes, I have heard good stuff about the atom v5s

I have also heard a lot of good stuff about energy rc-10s. But they do not show up on the product page at the energy site. Are they discontinued?

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Originally Posted by crazyrob425 View Post

-Infinity Primus p163 $280

Pioneer VSX-520-K

Thats about as good as you'll get with your small budget

The receiver looks pretty good. Haven't heard of the primus. Any reviews?
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post #7 of 23
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Originally Posted by zieglj01 View Post

The Infinity Primus P162, is $85 each at
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_108P162...nfinity+primus
A review
http://www.stereophile.com/standloudspeakers/1007inf/

That looks like an amazing deal! Do you know how long the deal lasts till? I just want to weigh my options a little more before making a decision.
post #8 of 23
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Originally Posted by Sraigux View Post

So I'm looking at buying a pair of good quality speakers and a receiver for around 500$.

Bookshelf speakers are preferred, but if there are better floorstanding for a similar price, I would change my opinion.

The receiver should be 5.1.

I am only looking to buy a pair of speakers and upgrade with a subwoofer and 3 others later.

They would mainly be used for listening to music (Electronic dance music is the preferred genre, followed by alternative rock and classical). Watching movies and playing games are a secondary to music.

They will be used in a medium sized room. But I plan on upgrading to a living room in the near future.

I plan on buying used, so besides kijiji and ebay. Where else would be good? Or would there be new speakers for a reasonable price?

Bang for the buck always applies, if the differences between speakers are minute, yet they cost 300$ difference, I will take the cheaper ones. The opposite applies, I can go over the 500$ budget if there is a great deal.

You help is appreciated, thanks!

If you need HDMI connectivity, you're better off buying a new receiver - Denon, Pioneer, Yamaha, Onkyo, etc. Good deals are everywhere.

Used speakers are the way to go for bang for the buck. You'll need to do some research on your own regarding speakers since likes/dislikes are subjective. Besides ebay try audiogon.com. You'll be pleased to see how far your dollars reach in monitors and full range speakers.

It is attractive to be lured in to internet deals on new Infinity, Polk, et al. These companies do make very good speakers but not at the $100 level new.
post #9 of 23
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Originally Posted by Sraigux View Post

That looks like an amazing deal! Do you know how long the deal lasts till? I just want to weigh my options a little more before making a decision.

They are there till they run out - then that is it. The 163 is the
replacement. It is always good to weigh your options.
post #10 of 23
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Originally Posted by stevensctt View Post

If you need HDMI connectivity, you're better off buying a new receiver - Denon, Pioneer, Yamaha, Onkyo, etc. Good deals are everywhere.

Used speakers are the way to go for bang for the buck. You'll need to do some research on your own regarding speakers since likes/dislikes are subjective. Besides ebay try audiogon.com. You'll be pleased to see how far your dollars reach in monitors and full range speakers.

It is attractive to be lured in to internet deals on new Infinity, Polk, et al. These companies do make very good speakers but not at the $100 level new.

So what do you think I could find for about 300$ used that would be better than what you just mentioned?
post #11 of 23
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Originally Posted by Sraigux View Post

So what do you think I could find for about 300$ used that would be better than what you just mentioned?

There are several but with with only about a 60 second search, I found these Monitor Audio Bronze BR2. These are new BTW.

What city do live? Have you tried your local craigslist?
post #12 of 23
Thread Starter 
I have not used craigslist, but I have used kijiji for local classifieds. But seeing as how there is sooo much for sale, it is very hard to sift through everything. Should I search by brand?
post #13 of 23
The 162's mentioned above plus a subwoofer (PE has $100 subs that should work fine) and the receiver that has the feature you want at the price you can afford (the Pioneer should be fine).

Nothing wrong with the P163's except the extra $100 they cost for being new that could be put into a sub instead.

Personally I've had less than stellar experiences with the MA's below the gold line: but I've not heard the one suggested. Within a $500 budget, $300 seems like a lot to loose on the non-full-range mains.
post #14 of 23
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Originally Posted by Sraigux View Post

I have not used craigslist, but I have used kijiji for local classifieds. But seeing as how there is sooo much for sale, it is very hard to sift through everything. Should I search by brand?

For Craigslist, Paradigm, PSB and Martin Logan seem to be tagged by people who are selling good stuff.

Audiogon is a good spot to find used.

Ron
post #15 of 23
Thread Starter 
This looks like a stellar deal:

http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-...AdIdZ248450112

Any ideas?
post #16 of 23
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Originally Posted by Sraigux View Post

This looks like a stellar deal:

http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-...AdIdZ248450112

Any ideas?

From what I heard PSB makes good speakers!
post #17 of 23
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Unfortunately the seller already has someone looking to buy it, and they are on christmas vacation. So it may be a while until I hear back from them (if the other guy doesn't want it)

Also, I live in edmonton, Alberta, Canada if that helps
post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by Sraigux View Post

Unfortunately the seller already has someone looking to buy it, and they are on christmas vacation. So it may be a while until I hear back from them (if the other guy doesn't want it)

Also, I live in edmonton, Alberta, Canada if that helps

Since you are in Canada, you should be looking at Canuck Audio Mart

Look for a pair Paradigm Studio 20 v2 or v3, should be able to find at $300

A little over budget, but I like these Usher V-601s. New speakers.
post #19 of 23
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Originally Posted by stevensctt View Post

Since you are in Canada, you should be looking at Canuck Audio Mart

Look for a pair Paradigm Studio 20 v2 or v3, should be able to find at $300

A little over budget, but I like these Usher V-601s. New speakers.

Canuk audio doesn't have much in alberta right now, thanks though.

The ushers look good. Haven't heard much about them, I'll look into it.
post #20 of 23
At this instant you can probably get good deals on Energy RC-xx. If so, they're a good place to go. I have mixed feelings on the strategy. I like the idea of starting with 2 speakers. That will let you get decent quality (although I'm more inclined to consider $1000/pair as a minimum for that). But if this is your first experience with decent audio, your tastes and knowledge may develop enough that when you come to upgrade you won't want to get the same kind of speaker and reuse what you get as surrounds.

If I were starting again I'd seriously consider professional monitor speakers, which are normally powered. I got some moderate cost speakers for use at church when showing movies, and I have the feeling they're better than my actual hi-fi speakers.
post #21 of 23
Thread Starter 
So would it be a bad idea to buy some 400ish speakers for the 5.1 and later add some 1000ish speakers on? Would the sounds clash?
post #22 of 23
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Originally Posted by Sraigux View Post

So would it be a bad idea to buy some 400ish speakers for the 5.1 and later add some 1000ish speakers on? Would the sounds clash?

Assuming the 400ish will be moved to surrounds when the 1000ish speakers are added is not a bad idea at all. The speakers won't clash. Different brands are OK. Only concern with matching speakers is with 5CH music (SACD).
post #23 of 23
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Originally Posted by stevensctt View Post

Only concern with matching speakers is with 5CH music (SACD).

Well, and the front 3 should definitely match. At least the same brand & line.
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