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post #1 of 26
12/15/10 at 6:46pm
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I'm in the market for another TV. This time. It's just to see which one I'd like more. No, this isn't a DLP vs PLASMA thread. This is me trying to pick between 2 certain sets. I'm looking for your advice. Enough of that. Time for the issue.

Basically, I have my eyes set on 2 sets. A WD60737(DLP) or PN42C450(PLASMA)
Both sets have there own pros and cons. I will list mine. If you think you can point out some more pro and cons. Let me know.

PN42C450(PLASMA)
  • 600HZ
  • 42 inch set
  • 3HDMI
  • 720P (But it does accept 1080P)

WD60737(DLP)
  • 120HZ
  • 60 inch set
  • 3HDMI
  • FULL 1080P
  • 3D Ready

These are the 2 sets I'm debating getting. Figured I'd list some of the specs. Big advantage to the DLP is clear. 1080P and 60 inch set. Other then that. I can't think of anything else.(3D isn't a reason for me to get it.) Downfall on the DLP is off angle viewing. Also will use more energy then the plasma. Bulb replacement every few years. I do also consider that as an advantage because from what I hear. That is usually all you need to do to a DLP to keep it running like new. I'll list both pros and cons.

WD60737(DLP) PROS
  • Screen Size
  • FULL 1080P
  • 120HZ
  • Great for midnight movie watching

WD60737(DLP) CONS
  • Worst off angle viewing of any tech
  • Bulp Replacement
  • Higher Power Consumtion
  • Not a slim set

As for the PN42C450(PLASMA). I will list my thoughts on this set as well.

PN42C450(PLASMA)PROS
  • Best Off angle viewing
  • Great PQ(From what I've seen)
  • Flat Panel Set
  • Lower Power Consumption
  • Game mode(Low input lag)

PN42C450(PLASMA)CONS
  • Smaller Screen(42 vs 60)
  • 720P
  • Possible IR/Burn in
  • Blacks could be better

Whichever set picked it will be used for pretty much everything. NFL will be watched every Sunday,Monday and Thursday. Gaming daily. And of course. Movies at night. Possible PC monitor but that isn't important to me. So AVS. What do you think? I'd like to hear peoples thoughts on this problem I have. If there's anything else. Let me know.

Also. Forgot to note. The plasma is new and the DLP will be a used set. Both sets will stiff have at least a 2 year warranty. The cost difference is 10 bucks more for me to get the DLP. So AVS. What would you do?
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post #2 of 26
12/16/10 at 6:47am
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Interesting to see a vote. But no reason....
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post #3 of 26
12/16/10 at 7:47am
Well,I'm waiting on my 60738 to be delivered and have never owned a DLP TV.I can tell you a 42" TV is too small.I owned a 37 inch Toshiba 720p and upgraded 6 months ago to a Samsung 1080p 46".

The 1080p was a big improvement.Very noticeable difference watching blurays,but I regretted not getting a larger set about a month later,hence my recent purchase of the Mit. 60".

If I were you I would set my minimum criteria as follows:

1.1080p
2.50'' screen size or larger

Sounds like you are on a tight budget,so that should make the choice easier.

Honestly...you will regret buying the 42'' almost immediately!

Also...you can find a MIT 60'' for less than $800 easy...and way less if you buy open-box online.
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post #4 of 26
12/16/10 at 9:48am
No brainier the DLP just for screen size if anything bigger is always better. I've had my 60737 for a year and a half with no problems. Great PQ out of the box outstanding PQ with calibration, low power consumption no worries about IR does an excellent job with gaming no lag or artifacts.

Ya gotta go with what floats your boat I'll just say I spent over an hour in the store comparing the Mits with a 50 inch Pioneer plasma and left with the Mits and saved over four hundred bucks doing so. The Mits are not perfect it takes longer to start up and there is the lamp fan (a non issue once the volume is on) and lamp life but replacing a lamp every few thousand hours for like new performance is not a draw back to me. Cant' say what your experience will be but I have zero regrets gong DLP.
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post #5 of 26
12/16/10 at 11:25am
I own 2 DLP's. A Samsung HLN617w - 61" that is getting quite old (as technology goes) but which still works great. And I am now the proud owner of a relatively new (2010 model) 82738...82" DLP from Mitsubishi. This set also has a fantastic picture after my own home calibration. Stick with 1080p if you can. A 720p set that accepts 1080p will have to down convert it to 720p native. With a small screen 720p is fine but as mentioned bigger is better and therefore you will want 1080p.
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post #6 of 26
12/16/10 at 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by allenthx View Post

Well,I'm waiting on my 60738 to be delivered and have never owned a DLP TV.I can tell you a 42" TV is too small.I owned a 37 inch Toshiba 720p and upgraded 6 months ago to a Samsung 1080p 46".

The 1080p was a big improvement.Very noticeable difference watching blurays,but I regretted not getting a larger set about a month later,hence my recent purchase of the Mit. 60".

If I were you I would set my minimum criteria as follows:

1.1080p
2.50'' screen size or larger

Sounds like you are on a tight budget,so that should make the choice easier.

Honestly...you will regret buying the 42'' almost immediately!

Also...you can find a MIT 60'' for less than $800 easy...and way less if you buy open-box online.

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Originally Posted by Dave84 View Post

No brainier the DLP just for screen size if anything bigger is always better. I've had my 60737 for a year and a half with no problems. Great PQ out of the box outstanding PQ with calibration, low power consumption no worries about IR does an excellent job with gaming no lag or artifacts.

Ya gotta go with what floats your boat I'll just say I spent over an hour in the store comparing the Mits with a 50 inch Pioneer plasma and left with the Mits and saved over four hundred bucks doing so. The Mits are not perfect it takes longer to start up and there is the lamp fan (a non issue once the volume is on) and lamp life but replacing a lamp every few thousand hours for like new performance is not a draw back to me. Cant' say what your experience will be but I have zero regrets gong DLP.

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Originally Posted by jaseman View Post

I own 2 DLP's. A Samsung HLN617w - 61" that is getting quite old (as technology goes) but which still works great. And I am now the proud owner of a relatively new (2010 model) 82738...82" DLP from Mitsubishi. This set also has a fantastic picture after my own home calibration. Stick with 1080p if you can. A 720p set that accepts 1080p will have to down convert it to 720p native. With a small screen 720p is fine but as mentioned bigger is better and therefore you will want 1080p.

I'm fine with 42. It's also why I considered it. For me. Bigger isn't always better. Picture is very important to me. Which is why I'm looking for advice. I'm very interested in the gaming aspect of such a large screen.
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post #7 of 26
12/16/10 at 2:06pm
Different strokes for different folks size along with PQ does matter to most, I can vouch that the Mits handles HD gaming very well both consul and PC I don't know anything about plasmas. Good Luck
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post #8 of 26
12/16/10 at 2:24pm
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Originally Posted by Dave84 View Post

Different strokes for different folks size along with PQ does matter to most, I can vouch that the Mits handles HD gaming very well both consul and PC I don't know anything about plasmas. Good Luck

Gaming is what I look forward to trying the most. Playing games on such a huge screen. That and a nice movie. Scary movie,
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post #9 of 26
12/16/10 at 2:59pm
I would get the DLP. I have a pn42a550 and a 65737 and the DLP whipes the floor with the plasma. The plasma has better blacks, but it uses more energy and is alot smaller. Also the DLP calibrates a lot better and handles motion better imo.

Also where did you here that plasma sets use less energy than DLP? That is just flat out wrong.
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post #10 of 26
12/16/10 at 3:02pm
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Originally Posted by chronitis View Post

I would get the DLP. I have a pn42a550 and a 65737 and the DLP whipes the floor with the plasma. The plasma has better blacks, but it uses more energy and is alot smaller. Also the DLP calibrates a lot better and handles motion better imo.

Hmm. That's interesting. Worse blacks? I like having nice blacks lol. Pretty sure I'm buying em both and placing em on a head to head challenge
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post #11 of 26
12/16/10 at 3:13pm
Yes the plasma has better blacks, but it crushes black no matter what I do to it. It's a give and take thing. Also, I have never been able to get a flat gamma response on the plasma. On the DLP gamma is straight as a ruler. Color on the DLP is better aswell.

My perchous prior to the dlp was a 46LG90, which is a great set. I ended up folding and buying the DLP because of the huge screen. I game too, and the big screen is really much more immersive.
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post #12 of 26
12/16/10 at 5:38pm
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Originally Posted by chronitis View Post

Yes the plasma has better blacks, but it crushes black no matter what I do to it. It's a give and take thing. Also, I have never been able to get a flat gamma response on the plasma. On the DLP gamma is straight as a ruler. Color on the DLP is better aswell.

My perchous prior to the dlp was a 46LG90, which is a great set. I ended up folding and buying the DLP because of the huge screen. I game too, and the big screen is really much more immersive.

Do you notice any kind of input lag? How well do you like your set? I already purchased both set's. I'm on the plasma now. The DLP comes tomorrow. Perfect for a head to head test. I do hope I end up liking the DLP more. 1080P and 60 inches just makes me smile.
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post #13 of 26
12/17/10 at 1:13am
No input lag on the DLP. DLP sets has a pixel response rate in the nano seconds. LCD is the tech that has the most input lag problems
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post #14 of 26
12/17/10 at 4:34am
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Originally Posted by chronitis View Post

No input lag on the DLP. DLP sets has a pixel response rate in the nano seconds. LCD is the tech that has the most input lag problems

Yeah. I've learned that. Which is nuts. A few more hours and I'll have my set!
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post #15 of 26
12/17/10 at 10:37am
You're gonna love it man. Try My settings on it and itll look a lot better than the plasma

ADV Menu

Brightness: 34
Contrast: 54
Color: 33
Tint: 31
Sharpness: 30
Gamma: 2.4
Red High: 983 Green High: 978 Blue High: 1019
Red Low: 3 Green Low: -8 Blue Low: -1

Red: 5,1,0
Green: 6,30,14
Blue: 0,0,0
Magenta: 12,6,13
Cyan: 2,15,16
Yellow: 25,22,8
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post #16 of 26
12/17/10 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by chronitis View Post
You're gonna love it man. Try My settings on it and itll look a lot better than the plasma

ADV Menu

Brightness: 34
Contrast: 54
Color: 33
Tint: 31
Sharpness: 30
Gamma: 2.4
Red High: 983 Green High: 978 Blue High: 1019
Red Low: 3 Green Low: -8 Blue Low: -1

Red: 5,1,0
Green: 6,30,14
Blue: 0,0,0
Magenta: 12,6,13
Cyan: 2,15,16
Yellow: 25,22,8
Thanks. I was just about to start looking for settings. This set is freakin HUGE. There isn't a hint of input lag. Picture doesn't look to bad. I imagine it will be better once I learn about the settings. Sound is horrible. But I expected that. I'll be hooking up my surround sound soon. I don't like overscan. It's pretty high. So PC is out. Not sure how it will look with sports. Looking forward to more test. So far the plasma is nicer. More of a sharp and crisp picture. Which is surprising since it's a 720P set. I don't know. So much to test.
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post #17 of 26
12/17/10 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by chronitis View Post
You're gonna love it man. Try My settings on it and itll look a lot better than the plasma

ADV Menu

Brightness: 34
Contrast: 54
Color: 33
Tint: 31
Sharpness: 30
Gamma: 2.4
Red High: 983 Green High: 978 Blue High: 1019
Red Low: 3 Green Low: -8 Blue Low: -1

Red: 5,1,0
Green: 6,30,14
Blue: 0,0,0
Magenta: 12,6,13
Cyan: 2,15,16
Yellow: 25,22,8
There is a lot missing from your settings. I need to know all of em lol
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post #18 of 26
12/21/10 at 4:04pm
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Update. I can't seem to get a blur view off the DLP. No matter what I do. The picture never seems to be as clear as the plasma. It's very annoying. It seems like the DLP can't focus on my then one thing without another part getting blurred. It makes my eyes strain very bad. This might be a deal breaker and I might have to stick with the plasma. Which sucks cause I'm loving this size set. Problem is the DLP can't seem to look as sharp as the plasma. Color is way better on DLP. Plasma tends to push to much red. So many things to chose from.

Anymore advice? Based on my problem?
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post #19 of 26
12/21/10 at 5:16pm
How far away from the tv are you sitting?

Of course the 42 will look sharper than the 60", that is quite a size difference.
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post #20 of 26
12/21/10 at 5:48pm
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I'm about 8 feet away.
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post #21 of 26
12/21/10 at 6:08pm
Some will say that is fine, to me it is a bit close. (for the 60") Is that 8' from eyes to screen?

A 52-56" would be a nice size LOL

I'm a couple of feet more and with the 56" it is nice, the 65" I have has a nice picture but I really can't take in the whole screen at once, if you know what I mean. Tend to miss details on the outside.
I was just watching "Cars" bluray on my Mitsu 65737, all I can say is WOW.
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post #22 of 26
12/21/10 at 7:54pm
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Originally Posted by pacofortacos View Post

Some will say that is fine, to me it is a bit close. (for the 60") Is that 8' from eyes to screen?

A 52-56" would be a nice size LOL

I'm a couple of feet more and with the 56" it is nice, the 65" I have has a nice picture but I really can't take in the whole screen at once, if you know what I mean. Tend to miss details on the outside.
I was just watching "Cars" bluray on my Mitsu 65737, all I can say is WOW.

Now I'm about 11 feet away. I think I was a bit close. My eyes don't hurt anymore. But the small blur is still there. Just not as bad as before. There has to be something else.
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post #23 of 26
12/21/10 at 8:18pm
I think I know what you mean, try turning the sharpness down a bit, turn off sharpedge, try turning on noise reduction on low. Play with it and try to take in more of the overall picture instead of focusing your eyes on a small area.

Plasma may tend to smoother in the motion, the older CRT's were the best in this respect IMO. No fixed pixels on them.
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post #24 of 26
12/21/10 at 9:56pm
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Originally Posted by pacofortacos View Post

I think I know what you mean, try turning the sharpness down a bit, turn off sharpedge, try turning on noise reduction on low. Play with it and try to take in more of the overall picture instead of focusing your eyes on a small area.

Plasma may tend to smoother in the motion, the older CRT's were the best in this respect IMO. No fixed pixels on them.

I turned the edge sharp thing off. The only way I can describe it is like this. Try watching a movie or show in SD. Then watch it in HD. You see how SD looks kinda of fuzzy and blurry compared to HD? Thats the look I get from everything.
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post #25 of 26
12/22/10 at 5:40am
Even in HD? Or only when the picture pans with a moving image?

Does your tv have the side portals on it? If so, pull one and look inside at the mirrors and lense for dust - the older mitsubishis would get a dust build up on a small mirror in there and the picture would be dramatically better after cleaning. I haven't looked in this one yet.
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post #26 of 26
12/22/10 at 9:13am
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Originally Posted by pacofortacos View Post

Even in HD? Or only when the picture pans with a moving image?

Does your tv have the side portals on it? If so, pull one and look inside at the mirrors and lense for dust - the older mitsubishis would get a dust build up on a small mirror in there and the picture would be dramatically better after cleaning. I haven't looked in this one yet.

I'll look into that. Yes. It's even during HD. Anything I watch it does that. I hope it's just that Its dirty. I'll check to see if there is a way I can clean it. That would be nice.
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