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post #571 of 1081
[quote="exeter"]
No, I've been using an InFocus X1 (which is also DLP) happily for the last 9 years. I'm not a gamer. The projector is mainly used for watching movies. As my X1 was 9 years old and only went to 480p, I was looking to upgrade to 1080p. After reading through different projector threads, I narrowed down my choices to either the Pro8200, or, the HC4000. Eventually, I decided on the Pro8200 because it was cheaper, people were reporting good viewing experiences with it and the fact that it had a longer rated bulb with a good feature set for the price. My X1 still works so I can always go back to it

Last night, I tried Ratatouille (Bluray) and it seemed to be a little better than "Blood Diamond". It had a preview for Cars and the picture was amazing. What I'm experiencing is not really panning-related as the camera is still but people/objects that are moving in the foreground aren't moving smoothly and the motion is blurred. I may try the HC4000 next.

Thanks for all the help and suggestions.[/QUOTE

I'd be interested in knowing how you like the mits if you try it. That would have been my other choice since with a smaller screen the viewsonic is so bright. I added a filter to reduce the light and that works very well. I'd rather be dealing with too much light than too little since the bulb dims over time though.
post #572 of 1081
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

OK, so the latest in the Pro8200, another weird issue but it fixed itself again.
The projector fires up, everything has a pink cast and it almost appears everything is a tad dimmer. I figure bulb might be going out but it suspiciously looks different than a bulb problem.

So I do a factory reset, same thing, everything has a pink cast. Keep in mind I ran the projector 1400 hours to this point. Sure enough, I power cycle the projector and it looks 100% normal on the second power up. Go figure!

I am not sure what that was, possible software bug something had gotten stuck on an invalid color table internally or something. Otherwise lamp misfired and wasn't receiving full power, who knows.

I was shocked it was fixed after a recycle though.

I've had something similar happen twice. The projector image has a pink cast and all the displayed images are an odd color. In my case, both were related to faulty cable connections, once on the component cable to the projector and the second time the hdmi cable from the dvd player.

Just jiggled the connections and it cleared up both times.

I'm not a fan of the hdmi port though. I've got a heavy cable to make the run to the projector, and here is this very bulky connector sitting without support. It looks to me like this is a weak point in the design. At least DVI allowed positive connection and support.
post #573 of 1081
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Originally Posted by bse53 View Post

I've had something similar happen twice. The projector image has a pink cast and all the displayed images are an odd color. In my case, both were related to faulty cable connections, once on the component cable to the projector and the second time the hdmi cable from the dvd player.

Just jiggled the connections and it cleared up both times.

I'm not a fan of the hdmi port though. I've got a heavy cable to make the run to the projector, and here is this very bulky connector sitting without support. It looks to me like this is a weak point in the design. At least DVI allowed positive connection and support.

Good points! Maybe with hdmi port, have adapter or splitter, and somewhere down the line, tie it around a table or something, so if you put pressure on the hdmi from equipment, it doesn't stress the hdmi port on the pro8200. I noticed the same concept on my security cameras, it puts pressure on the main unit when I'm moving the cables from the cameras, so I make a place a few feet from main unit the place that the pressure could be put on, around table leg, and not on the main unit's connectors into the unit.
Yeah, I had the same pink haze if my connectors are not right, or I get vertical/horizontal lines or static if my hdmi /vga cable is not in right or not shielded
post #574 of 1081
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Originally Posted by bse53 View Post

I've had something similar happen twice. The projector image has a pink cast and all the displayed images are an odd color. In my case, both were related to faulty cable connections, once on the component cable to the projector and the second time the hdmi cable from the dvd player.

Just jiggled the connections and it cleared up both times.

I'm not a fan of the hdmi port though. I've got a heavy cable to make the run to the projector, and here is this very bulky connector sitting without support. It looks to me like this is a weak point in the design. At least DVI allowed positive connection and support.

I use this to help with the pressure on the port. http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2
post #575 of 1081
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Originally Posted by w84no1 View Post

I use this to help with the pressure on the port. http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

nice! thanks for sharing that. will this extra connection make any difference in the quality of the signal through the hdmi cable ? I assume not...
post #576 of 1081
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Originally Posted by Thunder_God_Thor View Post

nice! thanks for sharing that. will this extra connection make any difference in the quality of the signal through the hdmi cable ? I assume not...

Not for me, I have it connected to a 25ft. HDMI cable without issue.
post #577 of 1081
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Originally Posted by w84no1 View Post

Not for me, I have it connected to a 25ft. HDMI cable without issue.

sounds good. I will get one when I get my 25 ft. HDMI from mono price. Thanks again!
post #578 of 1081
Greetings all,

I've made my first jump into the home theater world and built a dedicated room in my basement. I've got an Elite 100" screen and a VS Pro8200 to project onto it. I connected a PS3 as my main source through a Denon receiver to the projector via a 25' high speed HDMI cable from Monoprice. I fabricated my own mounting plate and used some hardware I picked up from Lowe's to mount everything to the floor joists. The mounting plate is even with the dropped ceiling I have. I can take pictures of my setup if anybody is interested in it.

I just got everything mounted the other day so, I don't have it all setup perfectly yet. I've played around with the controls a little to get a decent picture. I used the setting coderman posted in the calibration thread (thank you sir) and I'm fairly impressed with the image. I know it's not fine tuned but, just changing a few of the settings yielded a great picture and made me happy with my purchase of this projector. I've got a few issues/questions though that I hope somebody can help me out with.

Centering the image: The screen I got is a 100" 16x9 ratio. The way I have the drop ceiling doesn't allow me to place the lens of the projector directly in the center of the screen. It's close but, just not quite there. I've used the keystone function to get the image to be level with the top of the screen but, the image is just slightly too far to the left by about an inch (an inch is projected into the black and on the right there is one inch of white screen not filled in). I also have a couple inches of unfilled white screen at the bottom but, as long as the top is level and left and right are filled in correctly, I'm not too worried about the bottom. From my research, I know that the horizontal and vertical shifting of this projector is quite limited. I understood that going in and am OK with it. I thought there was some ability to shift though and my attempts to do so have been unsuccessful. Under the Video/Audio tab there are options for H position and V position with H position at 100 and V position at 0. Now when I first started messing with settings, I couldn't select H position or V position to adjust them, as they were greyed out. I did a restore to factory and I was then able to select them. However, I cannot adjust those numbers either way. I tried with the remote and I tried manually at the projector. They just won't change. Is it possible I'm doing something wrong? I know the firmware is glitchy but, I don't remember seeing anything about this in any of the reading I've done. I'm scared I've got a defective unit but, I do get a great picture with it and don't want to risk returning it and getting a refurb or a unit with other problems I absolutely can't deal with. I can move the screen if needs be. I thought I'd first check with you fine people if I'm doing anything wrong. I was setting it up using the 3 bird image screen and not with an input on, if that makes a difference.

Calibration: The lamp has less than 2 hours on it so, it won't be broken in for a long time. The room is pretty much completely dark. It's in the basement and no light enters the room. I also painted the wall the screen is mounted on a flat black so, it just absorbs any light anyhow. I also used black ceiling tiles. Since it's pitch black in there and there's still a fair amount of time left until the bulb is broken in, how much calibration needs to be done? I'm guessing the standard RGB gains should be adjusted as well as brightness, contrast, and gamma but, is it worth it to adjust the individual colors this soon? If it is worth it, what are some good baseline settings to start from. I don't plan on using any filters and I've seen a lot of settings for the colors but, they were with some type of filter in place. If it's not worth it to adjust them yet then when would it be appropriate? 400 hours?


I'd like to thank everybody who has contributed to this thread because it helped convince me to purchase this projector. I also want to thank the guy who brought up the HDMI dongles. I picked some of those up as well and they helped a lot since the cable I used is so stiff and hard to manage. It would just put undo stress on the projector's (and my amp's) HDMI ports. Great find. Thanks for that.

Thanks for the continued support. Let me know if pics of my setup are needed/wanted.

Darth
post #579 of 1081
anyone?

anyone?

Beuller?
post #580 of 1081
The digital vertical shifting features only work in non-native aspect modes, or certain settings (and I'm not sure what modes they work in, but none you are using most likely). You cannot just shift them at will as there is no room for a Native 16:9 projector to do digital positioning unless it has physical lens shift (which this PJ does not).

Also make sure you are getting the native Aspect Ratio from the source to the projector as well, otherwise if you do it wrong you will be going through this twice. Hence, some bluray players may work correctly when you set the PJ to AUTO, but some require 16:9 to be set explicitly in the Aspect Ratio, otherwise it will add a few inches of a border around the screen.
post #581 of 1081
Thank you kind sir. I was able to tweak the positioning of the projector just enough to be able to center the image and then use the zoom ring to fill in the empty screen space. The hardware I used to mount the projector is what allowed for this as it has elongated holes instead of just round ones. It's not a lot of play but, just enough to give minor tweaking of the positioning. I played with the settings last night all I could and finally just decided to see what I could do with the projector positioning itself. All worked out.

It's a shame this projector doesn't have any lens shift at all but, at the price point, it's a limitation that's acceptable. I really don't have any other complaints about this projector. Very happy with my purchase.

Thanks again for the reply.
post #582 of 1081
Slowly creeping up to 2000 hours on the lamp, and this projector is STILL really bright. This is the brightest I've ever seen any projector with this many hours on the lamp, of course I haven't owned that many light cannon projectors before.
post #583 of 1081
this model appears to have been flawed at first. but i contacted a Viewsonic employee and they said if you order a pro8200 that's been developed lately then it will be fixed. they will have the firmware updates installed on it while being factory made. so i think i am gonna get one.
post #584 of 1081
The only real flaw with the Viewsonic Pro8200 is the imperfect 1:1 pixel mapping (and I am assuming that is still not fixed in newer firmware, although some users with the newer firmware could test it with a pattern to find out). Even with the pixel mapping problem, the projector is still fairly sharp, but it could be sharper if the firmware fixed the pixel mapping issue. The optics and focus uniformity are really good, so if the 1:1 mapping issue was addressed, then this projector should be as sharp or sharper than some of the Benqs.

The other DLP-1080p choices in this price range are the Mits hc4000 (excellent but not nearly as bright) and the Benq w1200 (bright but has severe gaming lag). If I were buying a projector right now, I'd probably save up and get the Optoma hd33, because it comes with 3D and the price is dropping, and it has 1:1 pixel mapping, as well as a 6x color wheel. Still the Optoma costs about double the Viewsonic.

I have very old firmware, and the only bug in my firmware is it loses the Red/Green/Blue color setting (50/50/50), that's it. The other bug is ECO mode if you play around in the menu and the user presets won't always hold that mode, but I think almost every firmware still has this ECO retainment issue. These things take 10 seconds to correct after the projector boots up. These are VERY minor bugs and as far as I know there aren't any serious operating bugs regardless of the firmware. The Viewsonic has VERY good color OOTB with no adjustments after the RED fades a tad, actually amazingly good color. I'd say only a handful of projectors I've seen can match the OOTB color accuracy of the Viewsonic without a calibration. This is a very good projector for a buyer that does not like calibrating.
post #585 of 1081
Any word on exactly what those most recent firmware updates fix/improve? I'm asking because I've just ordered a Pro8200 and it's on the way (fed up with the InFocus X10 red posterization issue).

Edit - coderguy, just read your post after I was writing mine. Are you saying the Pro8200 has posterization, aka blotchiness or color banding issues? Uh oh.
post #586 of 1081
I do not know all of them off the top of my head, but it was mostly just the retainment of menu settings and a few HDMI bugs.
When you get the projector, make sure to turn Quick Power ON to OFF MODE and Quick Power Off to OFF mode as well. Otherwise, when you turn the PJ off, the fan will not keep blowing for a few seconds to cool the lamp.
post #587 of 1081
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Originally Posted by plplplpl View Post

Edit - coderguy, just read your post after I was writing mine. Are you saying the Pro8200 has posterization, aka color banding issues? Uh oh.

It does not have a posterization issue persay, but many (most) projectors can have some posterization depending on the calibration, and ALL projectors have posterization at times from streaming poor sources depending on what you are watching (Netflix, Vudu, etc...). The Pro8200's posterization issue is quite rare. I almost never see it, it's nothing to worry about, I am just saying if someone does see it, it's easy to get rid of anyways, just a few color clicks one way or another and it's gone. As far as on Blurays have I ever seen it, yah but only like 1 in 10 to 1 in 20 movies and even then only on really specific scenes.

Don't worry, this projector produces a very good image, the Mits hc4000 is slightly better (more refined but dimmer), but there are some things the Viewsonic can even beat my JVC RS-45 at.
post #588 of 1081
thanks. yeah the warranty is good on the pro8200. 1 year lamp and 2 year parts.
post #589 of 1081
It's 3-year parts unless they changed it.
post #590 of 1081
yeah your right. i just knew the 1 year lamp. and i forgot the parts. i am hoping somewhere around here has a DLP projector on display so i can see if i am effected by the color wheel.
post #591 of 1081
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

The only real flaw with the Viewsonic Pro8200 is the imperfect 1:1 pixel mapping (and I am assuming that is still not fixed in newer firmware, although some users with the newer firmware could test it with a pattern to find out).

i'm surprised this projector has been out this long without someone noticing a pixel mapping issue. Is it the same exact thing as the 9500/BQ W7000 (before the fix?)
post #592 of 1081
so what exactly is this pixel mapping issue?
post #593 of 1081
1:1 Pixel Mapping Error

I will take a picture. It will draw either a faint border or an extra pixel (sort of shows up like a convergence issue, except this issue is consistent and the "border" line that is drawn is always the same color as the original line except only dimmer), like instead of a 1 pixel line, it will draw a 2 pixel line or a faint border around the line. I can go into MS Paint and choose the 1-pixel brush and actually watch it draw the faint border around the line (the border is always the same color as the line itself and exactly the same across the screen, so that is how we know it is not CA). This is why the "sharpening controls" on the VS sometime cause ringing even at low settings (I now prefer sharpness at 3-5), it's a side effect of pixel mapping. The sharpness control initially dims the real line even more when you change from 0 to +1, that is why I think +3 to +5 sharpness is the best (or 0 sharpness), don't choose 1-2 though. 0 is sharper than 1 or 2.

I haven't 100% verified the 1:1 mapping error with all sources but I am pretty sure (I just don't trust some pixel mapping tests), but since it happens on HTPC then I'm pretty sure it's happening on all sources. I actually did also check it with the DVE pattern, but I don't trust that pattern.

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i'm surprised this projector has been out this long without someone noticing a pixel mapping issue. Is it the same exact thing as the 9500/BQ W7000 (before the fix?)

Cannot say for sure without seeing it in person, but see above, I'm guessing it's similar. I knew it had a MINOR sharpness issue (but assumed it was more CA), so I just didn't bother to test that one problem until now (only owned the PJ a few months). Other Pro8200 users have tested and verified the 1:1 mapping as well. It has such near-perfect focus uniformity that the issue isn't as bad as it could be, but it definitely brings the sharpness down a notch and some resolution is lost.
post #594 of 1081
Coderguy
Could you also do the same tests on your JVC PJ, and let us know how the pro8200 compares to the jvc in the 1:1 mapping issue. Hard to tell if most have this problem, unless they are given the exact same test. Thanks
post #595 of 1081
JVC does not exhibit any pixel mapping symptoms.

Best way to test is from MS-Paint in HTPC mode, as you will not be able to draw a clean single pixel line. I tried 2 different HTPC's, one with an Nvidia 7950 (older card) and one with an Nvidia GTX 280 (semi-recentish). Even though the Viewsonic has the pixel mapping issue, it's still pretty sharp and I didn't find myself wanting for more sharpness in HTPC or gaming (but a little more wouldn't hurt). Going through the Win 7 clear-type setup stuff helps a little more as well (for text anyhow). This PJ is still sharper than any LCD's I've seen other than a couple.
post #596 of 1081
Has anyone tried to contact Viewsonic support in regards to the pixel mapping problem?
post #597 of 1081
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

When you get the projector, make sure to turn Quick Power ON to OFF MODE and Quick Power Off to OFF mode as well. Otherwise, when you turn the PJ off, the fan will not keep blowing for a few seconds to cool the lamp.

Thanks for the tip; will do.

Except for the rare occasion someone might be doing a presentation in a quiet room and needs complete silence before and after using the projector, why would anybody want to sacrifice lamp longevity in such a way by default? Your suggestion makes sense.

Which brings up a related question: How loud/quiet is this machine?
post #598 of 1081
They wouldn't, and whoever setup the defaults for the firmware made a mistake.
It is definitely not the quietest DLP, it's about in the middle I think. In low lamp mode it is fairly quiet, not bad.

I would contact Viewsonic, but my projector is out-of-warranty because I have a refurb, so I'll have very little luck. Someone else needs to test and contact them.
post #599 of 1081
Coderguy
Are you saying that pixel mapping error could be firmware related. You got a refurb that has old firmware on it, I wonder if most of us with newer firmware may not have that problem. I'm still not sure what the problem is exactly. Do Pro reviewers check for that? So you said you tried the same test on your JVC the last few days, yes or no? I wasn't sure if you didn't test it and just "knew" that it wouldn't have this problem. I couldn't tell by the way you answered before. Maybe post a new thread to have others "test" their PJ's all brands and post the test procedure.
post #600 of 1081
Pro reviewers usually miss it, they missed on the Acer 9500bd and the Benq w7000, both which exhibit the pixel mapping issue. The Benq w7000's pixel mapping issue was corrected in a recent firmware update (and yes it is almost a 99% certainty that it is related to a firmware issue regarding the scaling code trying to scale a 1080p image when it should have skipped scaling when a native 1080p signal is received).

It is very easy to test, try drawing a single pixel line in any paint program on your HTPC, then walk up to the screen and examine the line, is it truly one pixel thick or is it more?

Two other users have noted the 1:1 mapping issue to me, and I assume they both had newer firmware, but I didn't ask what version they had...
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