Audioholics Ultimate Subwoofer Shootout Results Tomorrow - Page 27

Is that actually what that setting (1 port open/EQ2) does? If that's the case, you're right. It makes no sense. Might as well just open both ports.

On the last page of the VTF 15 retest it says (referring to subs):

Some of them did poorly. One threatened a lawsuit, then went away. Two realized the products were not competitive, and went away.

Does anyone know which subwoofers they were referring to?

Some good info in there from some of the knowledgeable AVS veterans.
When profit is king, lots of stuff gets embellished. I mean everybody does it at one time or another, and to varying degrees. The whole bit about Ferrari and it's scandalous testing "optimization" should open some eyes about what goes on in the world of advertising, marketing, and reviews.

It's interesting how infrequently sub makers are called on their amp specs. How often do you see anybody pulling out a driver and hooking up the amp leads to test if the amp is even close to meeting it's specs? It's almost never done.

so you didn't know....right back at you.......

Feelings still a little bruised huh? It's ok, you'll get over it.

I still don't think he knows what he did wrong!

Feeling hurt...nah, I could careless what you 2 clowns think of me....as for what I did wrong..again who cares. So, I specifically had named you when I was poking a little fun at the Hsu fanatics ....IMO you had it coming as we are reminded with each of your posts how much you dislike audioholics. Your welcome to live in your own little world, as I do in mine....

Good knowing you Gents...later...

It's a love fest over at AH. Post something negative about the review and Paul and you're toast. Talk about squashing debate....

I do not think the amp is "like" the 350Watt BASH amp. Does the BASH amp have > 1000Watt peak power abilities? Its not an extremely expensive amp though even the LT/1300 (> 1000Watt amp) from eD would be < $400. Of course the 2000Watt amps from FunyWaves are $700, with 4000Watt peaks (so they say, I have not tested mine).

From experience, I can tell you that most engineers do not react with an open mind when you tell them you don't agree with something they did. You need to be face to face in a room with more than just two or three people before the discussion becomes constructive.

A forum discussion on a topic such as this will never go well.

The majority of Engineers I've have dealings with would rather piss away money on a bad design than admit they are wong. They seem to have a god complex, even when they're wrong they're right.
This in a Tool/part design capacity and my experience in one of the Big Three Automotive plants.

Hopefully it can so the thread can remain open

Thanks

And we will see if anything gets resolved as a result of the thread being open.

Hopefully, the FW review gets put up soon. I'm curious. Looks like he makes great stuff and a slamdunk for Canadians.

Hey there penn - I don't quite follow. The VTF-15H's amp isn't "like" a 350w BASH amp... it is a 350w RMS BASH amp. As for whether the amp can truly supply >1000w peaks... we haven't seen any third-party tests validating the marketing/advertisement claims. The AH reviewer took a shot at explaining the amp's power potential, and if you read between the lines he seems to suggest that if it can really even hit 1400w, it must be for a nanosecond (paraphrasing, and IMHO). The amp even has a mark on it that states "430 Watts Max Power Consumption."



Yeah, that was kind of my point though - compared to those and other higher-end plate amps (LT/1300, FW custom amps, Dayton 1000w plate, etc.), one could call the 350w BASH amp in the VTF-15H "mediocre" relative to the spectrum of plate amps available. Mediocre means "middle, moderate, average" - is that a false description for a 350w BASH plate amp?

Hsu Research isn't a charity, we shouldn't begrudge them a profit margin, and the VTF-15H retails for $879. What's the realistic ceiling for the parts' cost (driver, amp, wood, finishing supplies, grille, port plugs, labor, et. al.) - $500, if that? There's no way the amp is anywhere near $400 of that... IMHO. I'd guess it's maybe around $100-150 of the overall cost, but that's just a guess.

I think it says more about someone who can maintain the higher road, than one who cannot, no matter the situation.

The fact that his original results were basically repeated in the supplemental review would have been enough for me.

My view of their overall professionalism has been hurt because of this. Some may not care at all, and think that his rant was completely justified.