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Average Joe Owner Sony VW90ES/JVC-40 Face Off

post #1 of 559
Thread Starter 
Hi fella's...Finally got my RS40 to compare to my Sony VW90ES...I realize that the Sony is more expensive, but for the sake of many here, I thought I would post my humble opinions on both of these fine machines...I will be spending the next few hours watching the RS40 and then coming back with my review of how I think it compares with my Sony VW90ES. I welcome settings input from Todd, Sam, Joe and all who own the RS40 or the Sony VW90ES. This is basically an owners review thread...So all owners of both units are very welcome to chime in with there 2 cents, or hurl rocks at me...(whichever blows your skirt up)... So with that, I say.....LET'S R-U-M-B-L-E !!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll be back shortly....


post #2 of 559
The Sony unit does look nicer though don't you think? I know this is a projector and you should be focused on the picture quality. But people do buy Range Rovers over Porsche Cayenne, even though the Cayenne kills the Range Rover in performance and handling, which is what you should really look for in a car.
post #3 of 559
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Originally Posted by myz350 View Post
The Sony unit does look nicer though don't you think? I know this is a projector and you should be focused on the picture quality. But people do buy Range Rovers over Porsche Cayenne, even though the Cayenne kills the Range Rover in performance and handling, which is what you should really look for in a car.
I think that is an opinion, but I will be giving my honest review of weight, build quality, remote quality, etc...
post #4 of 559
Yeah. The Sonys blue sparkles I believe are made from topaz. Hence the 10 000.00 MSRP

Why does nobody review which projector handles porn the best? I know at least 40% of my watching is porn related and Im sure it's the same for many of you. I wan't screen shots!!! and there better not be any fringing visible!!
post #5 of 559
Nice! Have fun and looking forward to your findings

I really cant add much as far as settings and I need some advice here as well, lol..........I have been using User 1 setting for 2d with 6500k color temp, standard color adjustment (Rec709), detail enhance ~25, sharpness at 10 and then set contrast/brightness with the AVS calibration disc, low lamp and iris at -4 for 2.35/40 and -8 for 1.78 material.........looks great to me, but I am far from an expert and would welcome some calibration tips from those who could give me some.

For 3d, I just have been using the 3d preset, (B)-gamma for a bit more brightness, detail and sharpness at 25 and everything looks great to me. Again though, I would welcome any tips here

I did order a high power today though (2.8) and am looking forward to checking it out as I have been curious about this screen for years..........I threw up my 2.8 sample last night and even with my projector in its current ~1.5' above my head location, it looked ~2 times as bright as my ST130.........standing up so my eyes were at lens level gave me a little bit more gain, but not a whole lot.......cant wait to experiment with this..........only one screen can stay.......either the 130 or the 2.8 HP.......which will it be!
post #6 of 559
Let the games begin!!!
post #7 of 559
Although I LOVE the looks of the RS40, I have to say that 90 is one beautiful looking unit! I think the 90 has the edge slightly in this area IMO, but both are damn nice looking!
post #8 of 559
The JVC's auto lens cover smokes the Sony's

JVC 1 Sony 0


On a serious note, is there not an issue with the Sony panels being of an organic nature and subject to change or decrease in performance over time? This was mentioned to me from a very reputable source. Or was that with older SXRD tech?
post #9 of 559
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Originally Posted by RonF View Post
The JVC's auto lens cover smokes the Sony's

JVC 1 Sony 0


On a serious note, is there not an issue with the Sony panels being of an organic nature and subject to change or decrease in performance over time? This was mentioned to me from a very reputable source. Or was that with older SXRD tech?
The Sony opens and closes very quietly. The JVC sounds like an electric razor.
post #10 of 559
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post
The Sony opens and closes very quietly. The JVC sounds like an electric razor.
OK point taken, but the JVC's looks cleaner. Call it a tie then.
post #11 of 559
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Originally Posted by RonF View Post
...On a serious note, is there not an issue with the Sony panels being of an organic nature and subject to change or decrease in performance over time? This was mentioned to me from a very reputable source. Or was that with older SXRD tech?
The SXRD panels like the JVC DILA's, are inorganic VAN and have always been inorganic VAN. So much for your "reputable" source.
post #12 of 559
Thread Starter 
Okay...I have done some preliminary watching of 3D and some 2D, and The first thing I want to say is, I wish JVC would have implemented motion enhancement for 3D.... As far as ghosting is concerned, Both of these projectors seem to be equal in this area...I have thrown everything I have that is 3D at these projectors and I don't prefer one over the other. As far as 2D goes, I personally would give the nod to the Sony. I can't quite put my finger on what it is, (or has) that makes me like the 2D image better...I just do. Now the JVC blows away the Sony with brightness...This thing is a light canon. So, this is something that needs to be taken into consideration for those who want alot of light. My screen is 150" acoustipro by Elite, it is only 1.1 gain. I realize that the bulb is new, but I had a Panasonic 4000U in here which was "supposed" to be rated at 1600 lumens < this has to have been a lie, because the RS40 Roasts it. The Sony is alot dimmer compared to it, But, the Sony has that excellent overall 2D quality that bleeds through to 3D that makes it very pleasing and easy on the eyes to watch. The RS40 in 3D is much brighter, but has a softer, not quite as traslucent look to it. (if that makes sense)...I will need to familiarize myself more with the JVC's settings and spend some time calibrating to see if I can reproduce the image that the Sony has. But out of the box, the Sony gets the nod. This is going to be alot more difficult than I thought to decide which is best for me to keep. I will say this...They are both great machines, and I really wish I could keep both. Or better yet, take the strengths of both and combine them to make one third projector...lol. The build quality of both are excellent...I prefer the Sonys remote over the JVC. The JVC is slightly bigger and weighs more. I am new at this, so give me a break...I'm going to need alot more time with both...Here is a picture of how I set up the JVC. It is dead in the center of screen, so it has a bit of an advantage as the Sony is mounted (top of screen height) in the soffett above. More coming up...(but I'm getting tired)...

post #13 of 559
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post
The Sony opens and closes very quietly. The JVC sounds like an electric razor.
Yep...This is true.
post #14 of 559
Thanks for your work so far.
Would you be willing to run the motion tests that were available in the other comparison thread? Motion handling is very high up the list for me personally and I'm very confused as to which machine is better at motion.
post #15 of 559
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Originally Posted by dvectord View Post
Thanks for your work so far.
Would you be willing to run the motion tests that were available in the other comparison thread? Motion handling is very high up the list for me personally and I'm very confused as to which machine is better at motion.
Yes, but I would need help...Someone would have to walk my dumb ass through the process...
post #16 of 559
Wizziwig or conan:

Can one of you PM dogone the files/links he needs to do the motion tests and help him through the process?
post #17 of 559
Sent PM with motion test files.

Do you find the extra brightness not necessary in 3D mode? I found the Sony a bit dim with glasses set to medium.

Damn I wish I had my x7.....might be here in a few days....

Also, another new VW90 owner is having serious ghosting issues and has the EXACT same problems I had. I wonder if there is a batch of defective Sony's that went out, as the ghosting I had was very apparent, as it is for a number of other owners.

Just to be sure. You do have 2 working eyes right? NO lazy eye or anything like that? Because if I look through the glasses with one eye, I also don't see any ghosting either
post #18 of 559
I sent dogone some videos filled with subliminal messages instead of the motion tests. Look for the RS40 to come out on top now, or we never hear from Dogone again
post #19 of 559
That's a great point. But 2D needs to be close in terms of motion and overall image. If it is then of course it is a better buy. Of course to someone who wants to squeeze out every last drop of image Q the VW90 will be better. We all have our own value versus performance meters. Getting a RS40 for 10 months wit the plan to get next years is actually not a bad idea. Let's see what else Chuck has to report.
post #20 of 559
Yes Joerod you are correct. The only fault with the JVC that I have is the fact that they use 120 htz panels vs 240 htz panels. Why would they do that? Maybe next year we will see 240 in the jvc. Anyway you slice it either the sony or the jvc is a great buy compared to what people paid just a few years ago. The way I look at it is like this. Say I loose 800.00 on the 40 when I sell it 10 months from now. It will have a used bulb and when you figure that in I will have used the pj for 10 or 11 months for 400 bucks. I just like having the latest pj.
post #21 of 559
A few things to take into consideration for brightness comparison (I'm repeating stuff that was already said elsewhere, just putting it in a list here), since someone measured them as equally bright after calibration:
  • The lamp loses 25% of it's brightness in the first 100 hours break-in period, check how many hours you have on both.
  • JVC defaults to a gamma of 1.4 in 3D, it should look a lot brighter than the sony's 2.2, but it could also explain why it doesn't look as good (washed out?).
  • The VW90 should look over twice as bright in 3D with contrast-90, gamma-1, color-temp custom-5, and Xpand glasses (high). Versus default and sony glasses.
  • JVC should look brighter in 3D if your screen preserves some polarization
post #22 of 559
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Originally Posted by omicronian View Post

  • JVC defaults to a gamma of 1.4 in 3D, it should look a lot brighter than the sony's 2.2, but it could also explain why it doesn't look as good (washed out?).

Do you have a reference for this info? I've been looking for it and not sure where it sourced from. thanks.
post #23 of 559
for 2.5 times the price the Sony should smash the JVC but it does not. Game over point JVC.
post #24 of 559
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Originally Posted by kutlow View Post

for 2.5 times the price the Sony should smash the JVC but it does not. Game over point JVC.

Why do people spend $200,000 on speakers that are marginally better than $50,000 speakers? cause they can tell the difference, and to them, if they can afford it, it's worth it. Why do people buy Rolex instead of Timex? Why do women buy LV instead of Coach?
post #25 of 559
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

Do you have a reference for this info? I've been looking for it and not sure where it sourced from. thanks.

Very early in that big thread, a guy claimed someone making the presentation told him. It was later confirmed by cine4home in their preview, they measured 1.5. If you measured something different on your JVC, please tell us.
post #26 of 559
kutlow, I'm glad you made your choice, but YMMV. Here are a few reasons why I chose the VW90, and why I'm not returning it for a VW40. You can easily scratch one or two from that list if you think they are ill informed, but not the most important ones.
  • My nvidia 465 works with the Sony, no HDMI bugs with any equipment, no handshake issues with anything I throw at it. 50ft standard speed cable.
  • I measured between 16ms and 33ms input lag with games, instead of a horrible 200ms.
  • I don't know what those are, but I don't have those colored splotches on the spoke pattern.
  • There's zero digital noise, zero motion issues, nor any banding. The image is silky smooth.
  • Frame Interpolation is the best implementation that I have seen yet, and is very useful with 3D films, and also great for 60fps games.
  • Locally I was quoted 1.66 times the price of the RS40 with glasses, and same price as the RS50. If it was 2.5 times I would have kept my RS40 preorder.
  • It has better on/off contrast than the RS40. I don't see the iris action at all.
  • No need to choose between on/off and brightness (rs40 manual iris), you get both.
  • I needed the projector in november, not january.
120 vs 240 doesn't mean much for JVC. Sony did require it because of the SXRD technology limitations, JVC's problem is unrelated to the panel scan rate. I'm curious to know why you think it's the most important aspect.
post #27 of 559
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Originally Posted by dogone View Post

The RS40 in 3D is much brighter, but has a softer, not quite as traslucent look to it. (if that makes sense)...I will need to familiarize myself more with the JVC's settings and spend some time calibrating to see if I can reproduce the image that the Sony has.

I would immediately set the gamma to (A) 3D as opposed to (B) which imo, does a number on the color and a bit on the contrast as well. It looks like heavy green push which makes face tones look a bit ghostly.

it is dimmer than the gamma (B) but I have a large HP screen to compensate and it still looks great with this gamma mode. I also pushed the contrast up a bit to either 5 or 10 as well.
post #28 of 559
The RS 40 MSRP is $4495, the RS 50 MSRP is $7995, and the RS60 MSRP is $11,995. Thanks all.
post #29 of 559
Thread has been cleaned up...NO STREET PRICES, PLEASE!

Thanks, Mark, for the info on the MSRP of the 3 new JVC models.

Sorry, joerod, but I had to edit one of your earlier posts.

What is the MSRP of the VW90?
post #30 of 559
I believe its $9995 MSRP.
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