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post #1 of 75
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It's been several years since I purchased my first plasma - a TH50PZ700 - for my bedroom. My plan was to eventually buy a 58" for the family room. The Panasonic V10 caught my eye but lmited availability and the rising black level issues gave me pause and I shifted my focus to the 58VT25 - hoping that the issue would be somewhat addressed. The reviews were acceptable but the price premium and limited availability convinced me to wait and keep an eye on the price at Best Buy - the only real option for me in Hawaii.

I checked with BB recently and they offered a $400 off if I ordered it in the store but I decided to wait for the holidays for something better. What convinced me to finally pull the trigger was an even larger discount and the inclusion of a Panasonic 3D blu ray player.

The set is arriving in January and I thought I would begin planning. I purchased a Sanus VMDD26b mount and will be mounting the tv to the wall.

I have a few questions since some of the technology and features have changed since I bought my last plasma.

A wifi adapter is included with the blu ray player. Can I use it for the tv instead? Is there an wifi advantage for either device?

Last, I know burn in is low risk and the first 100 hours are probably the most critical so I will definitely be cranking it down a few notches. But my wife bought the kids a Nintendo Wii for Christmas and I was thinking of not letting the them use it on the new tv until the end of the break in period. Am I being paranoid?

Thanks!
post #2 of 75
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Originally Posted by B2Blain View Post

It's been several years since I purchased my first plasma - a TH50PZ700 - for my bedroom. My plan was to eventually buy a 58" for the family room. The Panasonic V10 caught my eye but lmited availability and the rising black level issues gave me pause and I shifted my focus to the 58VT25 - hoping that the issue would be somewhat addressed. The reviews were acceptable but the price premium and limited availability convinced me to wait and keep an eye on the price at Best Buy - the only real option for me in Hawaii.

I checked with BB recently and they offered a $400 off if I ordered it in the store but I decided to wait for the holidays for something better. What convinced me to finally pull the trigger was an even larger discount and the inclusion of a Panasonic 3D blu ray player.

The set is arriving in January and I thought I would begin planning. I purchased a Sanus VMDD26b mount and will be mounting the tv to the wall.

I have a few questions since some of the technology and features have changed since I bought my last plasma.

A wifi adapter is included with the blu ray player. Can I use it for the tv instead? Is there an wifi advantage for either device?

Last, I know burn in is low risk and the first 100 hours are probably the most critical so I will definitely be cranking it down a few notches. But my wife bought the kids a Nintendo Wii for Christmas and I was thinking of not letting the them use it on the new tv until the end of the break in period. Am I being paranoid?

Thanks!

May be you should draw your attention to LED TV? There's no any fear of burn-in
post #3 of 75
Dont let the kids play in the new set till the break in period is over, also do not watch movies that have the black bars on top and bottom and avoid any channel that has a bright logo display all the time like espn! You can use the break in slice for the 100 hrs before really using it!
post #4 of 75
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Originally Posted by akarma View Post


May be you should draw your attention to LED TV? There's no any fear of burn-in

The quality of a plasma like the vt25 outperform the any LED set without a problem in Picture quality etc.
post #5 of 75
lol ^^ so basically you are saying don't watch movies, don't watch tv shows and don't play games on your new plasma..it makes a nice piece of furniture I guess.

I came to this forum for info since I am "considering" a plasma next year over a full led with local dimming, but I feel like i've seen enough of these type of replies and threads to scare me away.
post #6 of 75
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Originally Posted by eneyman View Post

lol ^^ so basically you are saying don't watch movies, don't watch tv shows and don't play games on your new plasma..it makes a nice piece of furniture I guess.

I came to this forum for info since I am "considering" a plasma next year over a full led with local dimming, but I feel like i've seen enough of these type of replies and threads to scare me away.

Actually the real truth is dont pay any attention to that break-in BS stuff.

I've been owning plasma's since they first came out and here's how I break-in a plasma,,,,,, I turn it on and watch it !!!!!!!!

Yea,, it really is that simple,, but for some reason,,, some people think they need to run their little slideshow BS.

To me its laughable at all the needless crap people go thru with thier little slides and the dont do this and dont do that crap.

But hey,,, mabey some on here want to feel like its rocket science,,,,, its not,,, it a TV,, ya turn it on and watch it,,, thats how ya break-in a plasma.

OK, I will get off my soapbox,,,, Im sure there are some AVS'ers that need to clock their dumbass slidshows.

Cheers
Davyo
post #7 of 75
don't listen to this guy.

better safe than sorry is much better advice.

key note:
there are many advantages of burning in other than image retention.

so please don't spread such rumors.

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Originally Posted by davyo View Post

Actually the real truth is dont pay any attention to that break-in BS stuff.

I've been owning plasma's since they first came out and here's how I break-in a plasma,,,,,, I turn it on and watch it !!!!!!!!

Yea,, it really is that simple,, but for some reason,,, some people think they need to run their little slideshow BS.

To me its laughable at all the needless crap people go thru with thier little slides and the dont do this and dont do that crap.

But hey,,, mabey some on here want to feel like its rocket science,,,,, its not,,, it a TV,, ya turn it on and watch it,,, thats how ya break-in a plasma.

OK, I will get off my soapbox,,,, Im sure there are some AVS'ers that need to clock their dumbass slidshows.

Cheers
Davyo
post #8 of 75
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Originally Posted by RobbyTV View Post

don't listen to this guy.

better safe than sorry is much better advice.

key note:
there are many advantages of burning in other than image retention.

so please don't spread such rumors.

Yea,,, really,,, dont listen to me,,, what do I know,,, I've only owned more plasma's than I can count/remember and never done any of that break-in BS, and have never had any problems at all,,, ever.

Better safe than sorry is better advice,,,,, safe from what ????

There are many advantages of burning in ???? really,,, do tell what are those advantages ???? and Im not talking about general BS stuff here on AVS,, Im talking REAL documentation that proves burning in/breaking in, does something.

I should stop spreading rumors,, Ok, now that really is a hoot,,,,, what about all the rumors being spread that break-in actually does some good or makes a difference.

Im not spreading rumor's,,, Im spreading fact,,, break-in slideshows are a total waste of time,, period.

On a side note,,, I dont mean to come off like a dick,,, Im really a nice person,,, I just get fed up with seeing people jump thru all these break-in hoops for no reason what-so-ever.

I will agree,,, 15 years ago when plasma's first came out it perhaps was a good thing to take some care with static images to prevent burn-in on a new plasma,, but that was 15 yrs ago,,,, plasma technology has changed by leaps and bounds since plasma was first introduced.

Plasma's today do not need break-in !!!!!!

Cheers
Davyo
post #9 of 75
Dammit.

I read the topic title and thought the Panasonic Kuro had arrived. Grr.
post #10 of 75
Eneyman, don't be scared away! Plasmas (especially Pannys) offer deeper blacks than an any LED LCD to date. I ran my slides for 100 hours as recommended by a calibrator here. I ran them because he recommended running them beofre applying his settings and offsets to my model plasma. I have a 46G25 from Panasonic.

Slides age the phosphors quicker and more evenly than normal viewing would (how long would it take you to watch 100 hours of tv?) thus permitting you to apply a calibration to your tv quicker. Also, not having to worry that you applied a calibration too soon (before the phosphors got the chance to age evenly) is another benefit to running slides, and ensures that the calibration that you used AFTER the 100 hours will remain pretty much unchanged over the course of the next year or beyond!!!

There is also the other camp that states that you don't need to run the slides if you are not going to calibrate your set but they recommend that you remain careful for the first couple of hundred hours (lower contrast and lower brightness, minimizing time watching letterbox material). Then There are those that state that you don't need to run the slides at all...no matter if you plan on a calibration or not...like Davyo.

Take it all with a grain of salt and decide what is right for you.

This is my first plasma, and I decided to run the slides and calibrate it according to D-nice recommendations (not a true calibration specific to my set but apparently real damn close!!!).
post #11 of 75
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Originally Posted by grexeo View Post

dammit.

I read the topic title and thought the panasonic kuro had arrived. Grr.

post #12 of 75
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Originally Posted by grexeo View Post

Dammit.

I read the topic title and thought the Panasonic Kuro had arrived. Grr.

You weren't the only one...what a tease.
post #13 of 75
I bought a Panasonic 54G20 hooked it up, set it to the THX mode, turned down the contrast and brightness to around 50 and watched it. I just try to avoid anything with the black bars on it. I've had it for a few weeks now and it looks fantastic, we have watched movies, sports and lots of HD TV shows with no problems. No break in just enjoyed the beautiful picture.

T
post #14 of 75
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Originally Posted by eneyman View Post

lol ^^ so basically you are saying don't watch movies, don't watch tv shows and don't play games on your new plasma..it makes a nice piece of furniture I guess.

I came to this forum for info since I am "considering" a plasma next year over a full led with local dimming, but I feel like i've seen enough of these type of replies and threads to scare me away.

Dont Get me wrong. You can watch any type of content you want but don't let a static image be there for more than 2 hours. If you Gonna see a movie Make siete it doesnt have black bars, Make it full screen Or zoom it. For the first 100hrs At least
post #15 of 75
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Originally Posted by davyo View Post


Actually the real truth is dont pay any attention to that break-in BS stuff.

I've been owning plasma's since they first came out and here's how I break-in a plasma,,,,,, I turn it on and watch it !!!!!!!!

Yea,, it really is that simple,, but for some reason,,, some people think they need to run their little slideshow BS.

To me its laughable at all the needless crap people go thru with thier little slides and the dont do this and dont do that crap.

But hey,,, mabey some on here want to feel like its rocket science,,,,, its not,,, it a TV,, ya turn it on and watch it,,, thats how ya break-in a plasma.

OK, I will get off my soapbox,,,, Im sure there are some AVS'ers that need to clock their dumbass slidshows.

Cheers
Davyo

Maybe is true what you say but I have spoke with a few thx/isf Calibrators and they recommend to do the break in before i go ahead and call them. So there got to be something about this that they will say that. Anyway you are the owner and you do what you like with your set, I just like to protect my investment and be sure I dont screw my expensive set, also because I play alot!
post #16 of 75
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Originally Posted by Truquitos View Post

Maybe is true what you say but I have spoke with a few thx/isf Calibrators and they recommend to do the break in before i go ahead and call them. So there got to be something about this that they will say that.

You are confusing the break in advise from calibrators to burn in. You need to break in before calibration otherwise the calibration will not be accurate as the phospher have not stabilized.

Hence if u are patient you can calibrate a 1000hr plasma without burn in disc. Main thing is to have 1) good burn in period 2) switch orbiter or equivalent on 3) avoid long hours of static image like web surfing or some FPS games. Unless you watch nothing but 21:9 or 4:3 day in day out, shouldn't have a problem as long as you have mixture of content.
post #17 of 75
Play games, watch movies with bars, do whatever. People are forgetting that the burn-in craze starting spreading because when these plasma's were new(and I believe the only flat panels on the market for a while), the majority of broadcast, if not all, was standard def with a 4x3 image. The black bars would be on the screen over and over until a DVD player was purchased, and 16x9 material was watched.

I realize I'm generalizing, but the bottom line is, burn-in hasnt been a problem with plasmas for several years due to a) widescreen material availablility and b)burn-in deterents(whitewash, pixel shifting).
post #18 of 75
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Originally Posted by davyo View Post

Yea,,, really,,, dont listen to me,,, what do I know,,, I've only owned more plasma's than I can count/remember and never done any of that break-in BS, and have never had any problems at all,,, ever.

Better safe than sorry is better advice,,,,, safe from what ????

There are many advantages of burning in ???? really,,, do tell what are those advantages ???? and Im not talking about general BS stuff here on AVS,, Im talking REAL documentation that proves burning in/breaking in, does something.

I should stop spreading rumors,, Ok, now that really is a hoot,,,,, what about all the rumors being spread that break-in actually does some good or makes a difference.

Im not spreading rumor's,,, Im spreading fact,,, break-in slideshows are a total waste of time,, period.

On a side note,,, I dont mean to come off like a dick,,, Im really a nice person,,, I just get fed up with seeing people jump thru all these break-in hoops for no reason what-so-ever.

I will agree,,, 15 years ago when plasma's first came out it perhaps was a good thing to take some care with static images to prevent burn-in on a new plasma,, but that was 15 yrs ago,,,, plasma technology has changed by leaps and bounds since plasma was first introduced.

Plasma's today do not need break-in !!!!!!

Cheers
Davyo

+1

I could not say it better. No clue why people think running the slides at night improves the picture or whatever.

Just wonder if the same people put their new car on bricks and let the car run overnight so they get to 1,000 miles.
post #19 of 75
For myself, I still noticed image retention on my new LG in the first 100 hours. This also happened on a much bigger scale for somewhat longer on my old LG from 2006. Plasmas are undoubtedly getting better but it's still probably wise to run it at 50% contrast/ brightness for the first couple of weeks. Other than that, I don't use slides or special DVDs or worry too much about the program material. Just enjoy your set.
post #20 of 75
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Originally Posted by specuvestor View Post

You are confusing the break in advise from calibrators to burn in. You need to break in before calibration otherwise the calibration will not be accurate as the phospher have not stabilized.

Hence if u are patient you can calibrate a 1000hr plasma without burn in disc. Main thing is to have 1) good burn in period 2) switch orbiter or equivalent on 3) avoid long hours of static image like web surfing or some FPS games. Unless you watch nothing but 21:9 or 4:3 day in day out, shouldn't have a problem as long as you have mixture of content.

i think thats what i said! I said do the break in period first and then call them "calibrator" to get your set calibrated.
post #21 of 75
Thread Starter 
I didn't mean to confuse anyone.

Based on my previous experience with a plasma I am thinking that I can break it in by just watching it. It should bet more use than the bedroom tv, probably about 5 hours a day.

My main concern was how soon I should allow gaming. From the sounds of it after 100 hours is a minimum.

I am not a gamer so I have no experience to determine how frequently static images are displayed. I assume playing is not the issue. The static images come on the set up screens. If I can insure the tv is shut down when games are not being played then I should be safe. Hopefully...
post #22 of 75
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Originally Posted by Truquitos View Post

Dont Get me wrong. You can watch any type of content you want but don't let a static image be there for more than 2 hours. If you Gonna see a movie Make siete it doesnt have black bars, Make it full screen Or zoom it. For the first 100hrs At least

well I honestly do watch many movies with black bars.. lots of bluray mkv's that I watch are not full 16:9 and often do have bars.. I will be using my tv to watch MANY of these blurays that do have black bars and also to game with (360) mostly rpg's with fixed menus/HUD's as well.

The reason I am looking to plasma is the more natural color/film like picture and of course gaming response/motion..but the idea of image burn in still going on with 2010 sets scares me because no warranty I know of covers this, and neither do manufacturers.. I honestly don't have much money and do want to invest in a nice set, but cannot afford to replace it if a simple tv show or video game ends up ruining it..
post #23 of 75
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Originally Posted by eneyman View Post

well I honestly do watch many movies with black bars.. lots of bluray mkv's that I watch are not full 16:9 and often do have bars.. I will be using my tv to watch MANY of these blurays that do have black bars and also to game with (360) mostly rpg's with fixed menus/HUD's as well.

The reason I am looking to plasma is the more natural color/film like picture and of course gaming response/motion..but the idea of image burn in still going on with 2010 sets scares me because no warranty I know of covers this, and neither do manufacturers.. I honestly don't have much money and do want to invest in a nice set, but cannot afford to replace it if a simple tv show or video game ends up ruining it..

Burn in is not the issue so much any more, image retention is, image retention is temporary and goes away. Burn in should only be a real concery inf your leaving something static on the screen for hours on end.. im talking 4+ hours maybe even more.

I can watch some of the premium movie channels watch a 2 hours movie with their logo in the bottom, and for about 2 minutes after changing the channel I see a slight ghost of it, but it goes away quickly
post #24 of 75
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Originally Posted by Truquitos View Post

Dont Get me wrong. You can watch any type of content you want but don't let a static image be there for more than 2 hours. If you Gonna see a movie Make siete it doesnt have black bars, Make it full screen Or zoom it. For the first 100hrs At least

I see Shady.. do you think a 4 hour gaming session can cause permanent burn in? I am talking an rpg with menus/HUD on all the time and playing for 4 hours straight.. this is something realistic that I will do with the tv.
post #25 of 75
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Originally Posted by eneyman View Post

I see Shady.. do you think a 4 hour gaming session can cause permanent burn in? I am talking an rpg with menus/HUD on all the time and playing for 4 hours straight.. this is something realistic that I will do with the tv.

To be honest with you i can not give you a real answer from my own experiance as I do not use my TV's for games.

I would imagine as long as you have some sort of burn in protection that most tv's offer on you would be fine.

Of course I would wait until after a break in period to game for that long.

I belive I have heard some people say its fine.. but i really do not know.
post #26 of 75
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Originally Posted by grexeo View Post

Dammit.

I read the topic title and thought the Panasonic Kuro had arrived. Grr.

Me to.
post #27 of 75
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Originally Posted by eneyman View Post

I see Shady.. do you think a 4 hour gaming session can cause permanent burn in? I am talking an rpg with menus/HUD on all the time and playing for 4 hours straight.. this is something realistic that I will do with the tv.

When I received my panny v10 plasma, I played COD right away and watched blu-rays. Yes there was image retention, but after 2500 hours there is still image retention. Slides are only used for calibration done quickly to your TV. I probably played COD and FALLOUT for several hours and sometimes left it on overnight.
post #28 of 75
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Originally Posted by eneyman View Post


I see Shady.. do you think a 4 hour gaming session can cause permanent burn in? I am talking an rpg with menus/HUD on all the time and playing for 4 hours straight.. this is something realistic that I will do with the tv.

Well before you play like that. Just break in the plasma first for about 100hrs then you can play safe but remember imagen retention will still be there but it won't be as bad as the first 100hrs. The first 100-200hrs are kind of critical, in a manner that the set is more promptly to get IR. But after that you will be ok. In the mid time Just dont play top much the same Game, mix up the content on your tv, shows etc
post #29 of 75
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Originally Posted by eneyman View Post

I see Shady.. do you think a 4 hour gaming session can cause permanent burn in? I am talking an rpg with menus/HUD on all the time and playing for 4 hours straight.. this is something realistic that I will do with the tv.

Yes it will cause burn in.
post #30 of 75
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Originally Posted by calvin35 View Post
Yes it will cause burn in.
not it wont. Burn it is all but gone. 4 hours of gaming the instant you put the TV on will not burn in. stop with this crazyness.
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