My Chase Home Theater 18.T Experience - Page 12  

You can pick which part below you like best.

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Every Who Down in Chaseville Liked Christmas a lot
But the Grinch, Who lived just north of Chaseville, Did NOT!
The Grinch hated Christmas! The whole Christmas season!
Now, please don't ask why. No one quite knows the reason.
It could be his head wasn't screwed on just right.
It could be, perhaps, that his shoes were too tight.
But I think that the most likely reason of all,
May have been that his subwoofer was two sizes too small.
Whatever the reason, His sub or his shoes,
He stood there on Christmas Eve, hating the Whos,
Staring down from his cave with a sour, Grinchy frown,
At the warm lighted windows below in their town.
For he knew every Who down in Chaseville beneath,
Was busy now, hanging a mistletoe wreath.
And they're hanging their speakers! he snarled with a sneer,
Tomorrow is Christmas! It's practically here!
Then he growled, with his Grinch fingers nervously drumming,
I MUST find some way to stop Christmas from coming!
For Tomorrow, he knew, all the Who girls and boys,
Would wake bright and early. They'd rush for their toys!
And then! Oh, the bass! Oh, the Bass!
Bass! Bass! Bass!
That's one thing he hated! The BASS!
BASS! BASS! BASS!

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And the Grinch grabbed the subwoofer, and he started to shove,
When he heard a small sound like the coo of a dove.
He turned around fast, and he saw a small Who!
Little Cindy-Lou Who, who was not more than two.
The Grinch had been caught by this tiny AVS poster,
Who'd got out of bed for a cup of water from the coaster.
She stared at the Grinch and said, Santy Claus, why,
Why are you taking our subwoofer? WHY?
But, you know, that old Grinch was so smart and so slick,
He thought up a lie, and he thought it up quick!
Why, my sweet little tot, the fake Santy Claus lied,
There's a foot on this sub that won't fit on one side.
So I'm taking it home to my workshop, my dear.
I'll fix it up there. Then I'll bring it back here.

what if craig makes josh whole and then fixes those stupid looking feet and gets some quality control over those nail holes (the last one seems to be in process)?

maybe we can go back to discussions about the pretty darn good performance of his subs vs. any alternative at the pricepoint. the market responded loudly and craig seems to be listening. the next round of subs will have much heavier paint/much better finish.

i don't see many other folks stepping up in order to provide folks with $5k worth of subs for $1500. personally, i think that is cool, as craig is sharing his love of bass with many, many people who would not otherwise be able to afford anything like this.

you have to admit though, craig, those feet are pretty hurting. ;-)

"So - are you saying that this magazine will give a great revue in return for future advertising"

i don't know about your specific case, but that practice is so common that everybody in the know will dismiss any "audio review". of course, i could be wrong in any one instance.

christ, i would never want to run a business in this day and age.

Are you high? Craig only decided to fix this after tons of public outcry. I think this will kill his business personally. I told you all about the pathetic fit and finish months ago. Maybe Now you'll listen. In sure there will still be people foolish enough to buy from him and to them I say "you were warned"

"Are you high?"

kind of. but i also believe in second chances.

from what i understand, craig is marshalling resources behind the scenes in order to resolve all these problems. these things take a little time to correct.

I would like to see the numbers behind this being a $5K sub performance.

Bosso and I already have the #s proving a JBL pro audio sub less then $1K matches the CS18.1 sub so if we want that thread to happen I think Bosso would love to easily show its not hard to do what they did...this wasn't rocket science at all. They didnt get a patent to some special driver, they didnt build their own driver. They simply spec a high Sensitivity, lower Xmax driver from a pro audio company (Eminence). Then put it in a sealed box that created HUGE peak performance > 30Hz people without measurement/EQing abilities eat that SPL up. Pro audio has done this for years and years. Flatten the response to create a high quality and accurate curve for HT then lets talk what the CS18.1 does below 25Hz

I would also love to see if they will ever do a better finish, CHT has never done that with a single speaker or sub in their entire history as CHT or Tweak City audio. People should know that the finish is never a priority with this company, never has been. I wil be excited about that change in priorities. It will double their costs though...finishes tend to cost as much as the sub itself.

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang.

This thread is still going SEVEN PAGES AFTER Craig offered a full refund and a donation to a charity?

Folks listen, please. I feel pretty bad about how things turned out with my review thread. I still believe my situation wasn't handled right, but I regret the stain it made on these boards. People have a right to know the good and the bad, but there's a point where things turn ugly. You don't want to be a part of it, trust me.

Btw, as much as I was frustrated with Alex, he bent over backwards to help me recently which only confirmed my regrets.

Take care folks.

A possible extension of that thought could be....

"whose only customers and critics live in the anonymity of the internet".

Though some businesses seem to have very little trouble at all with that.

5k worth of sub for $1500 - You must be kidding??

Look at these measurements for the Hsu ULS-15

http://www.chasehometheater.com/inde...art&Itemid=120

Or the ULS-15 Dual Drive System

http://www.audaud.com/article.php?ArticleID=8067

The measurement was from 10 - 80 Hz even though the graph does not show up that high. The smoothed curve with the ULF all the way down shows response within +/- 2.5a 5 dB range from 10 - 50 Hz!

I would like to see these types of measurements for the CHT subs - the CraigSUB(CS) 18.2 Series 2 Subwoofer or the CraigSUB(CS) 18.T Subwoofer - "The Duo"

Compare them to the ULS-15 or ULS-15 Dual Drive

This is where money is saved. You get what you pay for. No free lunch.
The performance of these subs seems to be substantial in terms of output.
It really seems like a cult. Just because people spend more money, doesn't make them wrong. This oversight of quality happens. Glad Craig seems to have offered to clear the air.

Sorry but that is another marketing twist. Its well known that a single ULS-15 can not do much under 20Hz either. Anyone with knowledge about sealed designs will understand that a 10Hz to 80Hz flat response curve can be created the real question is what is the max SPL keeping the response curve flat and the distortion below 10%?

well, it only takes one customer to complain to realize there is a problem. if craig does indeed realize that the workmanship is poor and tells the box builder to smarten up, and also changes the texture of the paint to hide any blemishes than it may help his case in the future. that, and accepting that you should "bend over backwards" when a customer is dissatisfied, will help the longevity of his business. if he decides that the sub's cabinet looks amazing and the customer isn't always right, then i don't see the business lasting too long.

i think with all this heat, craig should take heed of the complaints and try to fix them asap.

Uuuugh those are shrunk and out of focus pictures!
The EXIF info does show that the camera is a Canon 50D Rebel, but they were reduced in resolution and size... Why? In an attempt to hide the imperfections/defects of the cabinet? Plus, I don't even know if the bad focus was the result of lack of photographic skill, or again an attempt to hide the true poor workmanship of the product... And even with the with the out of focus subs, the shrunk images, and the poor framing (shot the dog's eating bowl instead of zooming in on the sub?!) still, the defects and flaws are well evident! I guess that's a testament to the 50D and the (lack of) quality of the craigsub sub! Not too easy to do, take a 15 megapixel camera and take pics which looks like cell phone pics...

Why not post links to the full sized images? And why not focus on the subs while we're at it? Looks like someone's trying to hide something...


Jesus... ARE YOU SERIOUS?!? lol

Come on... How is this acceptable for a near 1000$ product?


You seriously need a better pic than that on your product page if you want a pic which is representative of the actual quality of the product... I don't know... How hard would it to make feet which actually are flush with the cabinet? Is it really that hard? And why those feet? Couches jokes aside, wtf? Did anyone seriously thought, at any point, that they looked good? I really don't get it...

Amazingly sad thread all the way around.

I don't think you can say too much about the quality of the workmanship in the areas it really counts from the pictures. We know nothing of the bracing, quality of the wood, gluing or assembly of the cabinet. Finishing wood can be time intensive and expensive. Yet, there is no excuse for not filling brad marks left by the brad gun, it doesn't take much time. Additionally, if you don't want to fill the marks, have the brains to use pins to hold the pieces for gluing or use some other joinery that remains hidden. I would never let something so course leave my shop and most my shop furniture is finished to a higher quality. Even if the cabinet is otherwise well built the lack of attention to the finished product makes one wonder what other compromises where made to keep the price down. Overall, it looks like someones first project, not something produced by a cabinet maker.
Maybe the buyer expected too much and maybe he was hard to please but this is a boutique business with a very low cost of entry. The cost of this thread in negative marketing makes the cost of making the customer happy trivial.

Because the word "Tweak" gives the impression that it was run by some sort, or an ex-methamphetamine addict.


Obviously, them's the truths.

Would love to hear the answer from Craig himself

Pictures like these would be nice

http://emotiva.com/ultra_sub12.shtm

I love how that one guy posted that the CHT subs were 'perhaps' lower quality finish than some competitors. Take a look at the following, its not even close - and the emotiva is a cheap sub. I'm still taken aback that you can pay $1k and get something you'd be embarrassed to have anyone see.

The sharks are out on Christmas even. The CHT attacks continue.
Merry Christmas.....

http://www.audioholics.com/news/indu...s-subwoofers-1

SDS-8 - 8" driver, 32Hz-150Hz, Peak 400W
SDS-10 - 10" driver, 30Hz-150Hz, Peak 500W
SDS-12 - 12" driver, 28 Hz-150Hz, Peak 600W

Look at the quality

http://www.sunfire.com/productdetail.asp?id=36

I'm not shilling for any company - but if you look at the quality of the build foro Emotiva and Subfire (for example) and compare them to CHT - draw your own conclusions

Is that the 369$ sub or their 429$ sub?

"These are magnified images!!!" Oh the irony...

That reminds me of my 3rd DIY project. Router with a rounded bit, some sanding, paint, voila! Not rocket science... Just have to not try to cut every possible corner to save every last cent... Those feet are probably not that cheap though... Looks good!

You are comparing apples to oranges.
Chase is an 18" sub in a 4.6 cf, Baltic birch enclosure.
Emotiva is a 12" sub in a 1.9 cf laminated MDF enclosure.

Sunfire is well . . . Sunfire. Tiny enclosures, small speakers, large company. Be real.

The CHT sub is downfiring sub so it needs a 2" high clearance. There is no off the shelve metal cabinet feet that high. However, they could have done a little creation/imagination by extending down the wood panel to make the 4-corner feet. But, man, I have no word to describe the feet CHT put on those subs. Not only it looks awkward, the feet are overhanging! There is like no measurement attempt at all. I don't care even if this sub is the world's best, I wouldn't spend $50 on this half-@ss shody craftmanship.

You can't compare Emotiva to CHT. Obviously Emotiva has other re$ource$ to $ource from. Can the Emotiva sub do <20Hz stuff at the level of the CHT? There are tradeoffs- performance for looks. But it does not excuse the fact that the subs Joshko were in poor condition to start. This issue between the two parties has been resolved. To my knowledge this was the only case of a CHT sub with shoddy workmanship. Case over.

Yes you can compare. You pay more for what? The BOOM?

Please, the quality of that crap is BS. My grandma can paint with a paint brush better then the crap that was delivered to the OP.

Calm down fan-boys

Even though CHT has taken steps to correct ......

The attacks continue......

Merry Christmas to all........

I believe it is a finish sample from the cabinet maker that Craig laid on top as an exhibit. This picture looks like it is molded to the sub, but there is another picture that clearly shows it is a separate piece.

I don't think it is a fanboy issue.....problem has been taken care of. Haven't heard from "anyone else WHO actually OWNS their product. It sounds to me the "regular" bashers are steadfast in attacking