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post #61 of 102
I was thinking the same thing...

Software Pageflipping can work fine on some systems but work badly or not at all on others, it seems to be the luck of the draw.

Now DLPlink glasses can use AQBS on a dirt cheap HD5450 cards I would just do that instead. If nvidia added a DLPlink mode to 3DTVplay it would save a lot of trouble, but they have emitters to sell...
post #62 of 102
Nvidia has no control over how the TV sends content to it's display or over what types of glasses and emitters are used to watch the 3D display.
post #63 of 102
...but they control what features they enable. ATI has decided to enable Quad-buffer / 120Hz hardware pageflipping for "free" on HD5000 / HD6000 cards, Nvidia make you buy a 3Dvision kit to use it. Although it has nothing to do with HDMI 1.4, if Nvidia enabled this feature with the purchase of the stand-alone 3DTVplay product I think many DLP users would buy it, until then I think an ATI card is a much cheaper option for people using DLPlink glasses.
post #64 of 102
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick [D]vB View Post

Software Pageflipping works fine on my 9800GT, I just have to tick the sync video with graphics card box in the advanced options...

You'll have to share much more info than that (I've tried all the combos of tickboxes in SP and nVidia CP) As you can see in my thread, I've tried many configurations and different hardware platforms including an "over the top" final build spec.

EDIT: Just noted that you had the emitter connected. Try without and see how it fares.
post #65 of 102
Like I said, it seems to be pure luck if it works or not. It still works for me with the emitter unplugged but maybe the fact I have 3Dvision installed has flipped some registry key or something in the driver to make sofware pageflipping work, who knows...

For what it's worth I'm running Win7 64bit with the lastest nvidia driver and stereoscopic player, desktop set to 1024x768@120Hz, (using EDID blocked VGA cable and modded display inf dumped from an Acer X1261).

It works ok on my Acer X1230PK, no real sync problems or anything, I don't remember it working on my old CRT when I tried it so maybe the monitor driver is important? Will try the CRT again when I get time, good luck with it...
post #66 of 102
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Nick [D]vB View Post

Like I said, it seems to be pure luck if it works or not. It still works for me with the emitter unplugged but maybe the fact I have 3Dvision installed has flipped some registry key or something in the driver to make sofware pageflipping work, who knows...

For what it's worth I'm running Win7 64bit with the lastest nvidia driver and stereoscopic player, desktop set to 1024x768@120Hz, (using EDID blocked VGA cable and modded display inf dumped from an Acer X1261).

It works ok on my Acer X1230PK, no real sync problems or anything, I don't remember it working on my old CRT when I tried it so maybe the monitor driver is important? Will try the CRT again when I get time, good luck with it...

Well, I'll try as well.

1. disable 3D in nvcp
2. unplug emitter and play clip in SP using swpflip
post #67 of 102
Just had a thought, I've got an IZ3D trial installed set to 120Hz output, try installing that, it can't hurt. btw, I'm using FFdshow for everthing (with DXVA turned off)
post #68 of 102
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick [D]vB View Post

...but they control what features they enable. ATI has decided to enable Quad-buffer / 120Hz hardware pageflipping for "free" on HD5000 / HD6000 cards, Nvidia make you buy a 3Dvision kit to use it. Although it has nothing to do with HDMI 1.4, if Nvidia enabled this feature with the purchase of the stand-alone 3DTVplay product I think many DLP users would buy it, until then I think an ATI card is a much cheaper option for people using DLPlink glasses.

The quad buffer with out LCS glasses sync output is useless.

Mathew Orman
post #69 of 102
Can anyone here an axe-grinder...
LL
post #70 of 102
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick [D]vB View Post

Just had a thought, I've got an IZ3D trial installed set to 120Hz output, try installing that, it can't hurt. btw, I'm using FFdshow for everthing (with DXVA turned off)

Well now then IZ3D is $$. The original intent was to avoid an outlay of $$... which of course was blown out of the water.
post #71 of 102
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Originally Posted by icester View Post

The quad buffer with out LCS glasses sync output is useless.

Mathew Orman

Without it, eyes could (and did) swap constantly (up to every second or more) dependent on how well the software matches the video card's refresh rate. With it, eye syncronization is hardware locked to a particular syncronization and never swaps while running.

That's the opposite of useless.
post #72 of 102
"Without it, eyes could (and did) swap constantly (up to every second or more)"

So, nobody are interested in my method to view videos with software pageflipping, without emitter?
post #73 of 102
Right, it depends on the software and how good a job it does syncronizing the output speed - and stereoscopic player generally does an exceptional job. My own experience is that it was the only thing that would usually stay synced for me pre-hd3d (though not always; I have a couple of files that I couldn't get to stay sync'd in software mode). Games are generally a much greater issue; pre-hd3d (in other words, pre-quad buffer), absolutely no game I had would not swap regularly. And based on user comments at both tridef and iz3d support forums, that's universal.

Hd3d, using Quad Buffering, completely fixed the post-startup eye swap. Icester made the comment that this was useless, and I was addressing that comment specifically rather than the general thread.
post #74 of 102
Hi
I am trying to get any 3D content to work ... any help would be great
I have Optoma HD66 connected via HDMI to my laptop which is outputting 120hz 720p
i downloaded the stereoscopic player, and tried to play 2 movies
(1) SBS - so i set input to SBS and output to page flipping
(2) Field sequential video - set input to field sequential and output to page flipping
both don't produce any 3D, projector 3D symbol doesn't come on. I changed 3D setting on projector to "ON" doesn't make a difference, what am i doing wrong here? (this is just a temp setup until the 3D-XL arrives)
post #75 of 102
I posted this in the hd66 thread, but in case someone runs into the same issue and sees this thread instead

If the problem is that the displayed image is in 2d, it's probably some setting in stereoscopic player. One thing to keep in mind is in many situations stereoscopic player defaults to 2d mode unless you put it in full screen. Find the hotkey to turn on 3d mode (is it F7? can't remember...) then put it in full screen and switch to 3d mode via hotkey.

The only thing the '3d' options in the menu do is control the dlp link, so be sure that's turned on so your glasses will sync to the projector.

The projector can't differentiate between 2d 120hz and 3d 120hz video, it just displays whatever it's being sent from the PC. so it will never display 3d emblems or anything.
post #76 of 102
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Originally Posted by relaxman View Post

So, nobody are interested in my method to view videos with software pageflipping, without emitter?

We're all ears, fire away....

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Originally Posted by perfectdark View Post

...both don't produce any 3D, projector 3D symbol doesn't come on. I changed 3D setting on projector to "ON" doesn't make a difference, what am i doing wrong here? (this is just a temp setup until the 3D-XL arrives)

Try installing the iz3d trail: http://www.iz3d.com/driversetup

Set the output to 120Hz and run the test in the control panel.
post #77 of 102
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Originally Posted by Nick [D]vB View Post

We're all ears, fire away....

Ok, i write the trick to this homepage!
Click on the english flag on top, and read the text. You will find somewhere in the middle.

And don't forget to share your result!!
post #78 of 102
Interesting find! I'll have to take your word for it though because I don't have any sync problems with software pageflipping myself.

Maybe the extended desktop forces the player to use a different render output or something (EVR instead of VMR?) Makes me wonder if something like ReClock would help people with this problem?

http://forum.slysoft.com/forumdisplay.php?f=85
post #79 of 102
Maybe EVR, who knows. how can i check it?
Or what can i check to see what happened exactly?
post #80 of 102
went into the Sterescopic options and for MPEG-2 , etc... i added the FFDSHOW and POWERDVD10 video decoders
So now when i try to play a SBS at least i see the FFDSHOW video decoder on my task bar and the movie isn't macro blocking anymore..... but it stillis stuttering (some mores more than others)
For example How to train your dragon SBS mkv stutters a little but Legends OF the Guardians SBS Mkv hardly plays at all

also, even with How to Train your dragon ..... when wearing my glasses (and even when not wearing them) i can see shakiness.. real bad.
post #81 of 102
Have you tried relaxman's exteded desktop trick? Give it a shot. I'd also install Haali media splitter and play with FFdhow's H.264 settings, skip de-blocking etc. Test with lower resolution / bitrate files, it might be a CPU power issue.
post #82 of 102
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick [D]vB View Post
Have you tried relaxman's exteded desktop trick? Give it a shot. I'd also install Haali media splitter and play with FFdhow's H.264 settings, skip de-blocking etc. Test with lower resolution / bitrate files, it might be a CPU power issue.
what i did for testing purposes is took one of my SBS 1080p MKVs and used ripbot to re-encode to 720p

The video played with no macro blocking and no jitter (so its defineltymy laptop is sh$t) but the picture was still shaky almost like a hand video camera
post #83 of 102
has anyone tried coreavc cuda decoding? to see if that helps?
post #84 of 102
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by lmaolmao View Post

has anyone tried coreavc cuda decoding? to see if that helps?

Yep, and doesn't help.
post #85 of 102
Try to update all the codecs including FFDSHOW (be shure to install the correct version to your OS) I had the same issue and solved by this way, regards.
post #86 of 102
Also disable any option like DCR (contrast ratio), dynamic contrast, from your projector and computer, regards.
post #87 of 102
downloading the newest catalyst driver solved the problem for me.

my specs:
Optoma HD66
corei3 540
4 gb ram
HIS radeon 5450
Xpand 102
stereoscopic player - amd stereo

I have a new hdd, so i will be reinstalling everything from scratch and hopefully i will be able to recreate my current setup.
post #88 of 102
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Originally Posted by Ualnosaj View Post

This rabbit hole called "3D" is getting deeper and deeper. Here is my foray... please bear with me as it sets the tone for the issue I'm having


....

I'm at a loss here and it's high time I consult with some seasoned veterans here before jumping in further

Thanks folks!

Glad I found this thread. A lot of information is misleading here, though the first post helped me to watch 3d on my setup.

I got Optoma gt720, Optoma DLP glasses and 3 weeks old mac mini minimal characteristics (HDMI, 2.4Gh, 2gb RAM, Nvidia 320 something, 5400 rpm disk, Windows 7).

SUCCESSFUL SETUP: After reading first post I have installed stereoscopic player, downloaded Dracula 480p clip from their stereoscopic player web, setup software page flipping as video output method and viola! I got 3d. No left/right eye frame swapping, nothing, just nice 3d.

WHAT DOESN'T WORK: Whenever I try 720p or 1080p playback I see tons of left/right eye frame swapping.

CONCLUTION: There is software problem that is related to DLP left/right eye synchronization that is not currently addressed by industry.

Since I can do 2D playback 1080p in my setup, I am positive in near future there will be a software solution to l/r eye synchronization for 720p 3D. As for now I will be converting Blue ray 3D to 480p 3D format.
post #89 of 102
Try the Sview player instead: http://www.sview.ru/download/sViewLast
post #90 of 102
[quote='Nick [D]vB;20034567']Try the Sview player instead


I tried your Sveiw soultion and it just locks up, I can't even start the program. I guess I'm going to buy the full version of the StereoScopic player, which seems to work well (other than occasional jitters, which I will blame on NVidia). Unless someone knows of a freeware 3D player that I can download.

I have been reading posts on here for days trying to figure out the right way to set up my newly built 3D system with a DLP Link ViewSonic projector and shutter glasses. I am starting to truely believe the best thing for me to do is get rid of my NVidia 8600 GT card and replace it with an ATI (AMD), to release the power of the Quad Buffer without having to buy proprietary crap from NVidia. Anyone have an ATI card for trade?
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