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post #1051 of 2147
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

That seems a bit extreme .. exile, maybe ..

That's not extreme at all. It would be done in a heartbeat, without a second thought. I'd do it myself. And having lived through a riot where people defended their homes from being burned down by standing of their rooftops and taking pot shots at anybody suspicious who came near, I've seen the survival instinct at work. I know that in a world where everybody is carrying a gun, Mason wouldn't have lived more than a day or two after he returned. "Hey Mason, come over here to this building. I found a cache of textbooks. Maybe we could start a school for the kids. Come take a look and let me know what you think....BAM!."

Ben wouldn't have lasted a day with those spikes on his back. And there would be nothing the captain could do to stop the lynch mob. Nothing.
post #1052 of 2147
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Originally Posted by vfxproducer View Post

That doesn't seem like it would be a problem. There are 24 general aviation airports serving private prop aircraft in just the three counties closest to my house, not including the five larger military airfields and seven airports serving larger commercial jet traffic. Considering there isn't a lot of flying happening in the world, I'd have to imagine there's quite a few options for fuel out there.
I know that airports aren't this densely packed all over the country, but still, there would be a lot of landing and fueling opportunities along the journey.

Of course, if we really want to pick nits, we would acknowledge that as time goes on, the quality of all the petroleum based fuel would continue to deteriorate ...

The one thing that annoyed me about series, "Jeramiah," is that they kept eating 16+yr old canned food. biggrin.gif
post #1053 of 2147
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Originally Posted by HDTVChallenged View Post

Of course, if we really want to pick nits, we would acknowledge that as time goes on, the quality of all the petroleum based fuel would continue to deteriorate ...
The one thing that annoyed me about series, "Jeramiah," is that they kept eating 16+yr old canned food. biggrin.gif

When I was in the Army in the late 1960's .. we ate canned C rations dated 1944 and lived to tell the tale ..
post #1054 of 2147
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

When I was in the Army in the late 1960's .. we ate canned C rations dated 1944 and lived to tell the tale ..
Yeah, but food was better back then without all the modern preservatives and such... tongue.gif
post #1055 of 2147
The problem I see with a large gathering in Charleston (or anywhere) is that the Aliens could just fly over and Nuke it like they did in Boston during the first episode.
post #1056 of 2147
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Originally Posted by vfxproducer View Post

"Hey Mason, come over here to this building. I found a cache of textbooks. Maybe we could start a school for the kids. Come take a look and let me know what you think....BAM!."

I don't care what anybody says, That right there is funny and 100% true.
post #1057 of 2147
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Originally Posted by Viventis View Post

The problem I see with a large gathering in Charleston (or anywhere) is that the Aliens could just fly over and Nuke it like they did in Boston during the first episode.

Okay, you beat me to it. I wrote an hypothesis and dumped it. So here's a rewrite.

2nd Mass gets to Charleston closely followed by ol' RedEye. I surmise that Ol' RedEye let Tom live in order to use him later as an ally.
They're greeted and welcomed, but the cliff hanger has them realizing that all is not well. End Season.
Next season: 2nd Mass joins in an underground in Charleston working (think BSG and the concentration camp) to get out and continue the fight.
Ol' RedEye (red eye like a Cylon..... wink.gif ) lets the underground know that things are going to go pear shaped and helps them escape before the aliens start eliminating Charleston.
The skitters are slave mercenaries of the skinnies. Yeah, I know I've written this before. Ol' RedEye sees a chance with human help to bring the skinnies down and gain freedom for the skitters.
2nd Mass and Ol' Red Eye form an uneasy aliance as they don't trust a skitter. Legitimate gripe since the skitters use children to incubate their young.
Final season. Trust issues, blah, blah, blah lead up to the final encounter where the humans and the skitters defeat the skinnies. Kumbayah!!!

By laying this out, I'm not being critical of the show. It's just that I'll be surprised if a human/skitter (as BSG did with the Cylons rebels) aliance doesn't come about. If I'm wrong..... eek.gif then no one will remember this but me tongue.gif
post #1058 of 2147
I suspect that finding Tom and Ben Mason murdered would doubtless put quite a strain on what little social structure the 2nd Mass has. (Or any murder for that matter.)

The comments about justifiably disposing of potential collaborators/informants/spies, etc made me realize that 2nd Mass doesn't seem to have any equivalent of a legal investigative system. Also, the captain seems very reluctant to actually apply extreme sanctions when they might be appropriate. The only people I recall even seeing restrained have been Pope and Mason, and exile seems to be the only other major punishment. I guess that's not surprising considering how few of them there are, but still...
post #1059 of 2147
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Originally Posted by vfxproducer View Post

I know that in a world where everybody is carrying a gun, Mason wouldn't have lived more than a day or two after he returned. "Hey Mason, come over here to this building. I found a cache of textbooks. Maybe we could start a school for the kids. Come take a look and let me know what you think....BAM!."
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cool.gif One mission with the berserkers and "He went down taking a skitter with him." No muss, no fuss. Oh, wait. He's the star. rolleyes.gif
post #1060 of 2147
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Originally Posted by billybobg View Post

The skitters are slave mercenaries of the skinnies.
I think that's been obvious since the doctor found the embedded harness. (Although I think "janissaries" might be a more appropriate description than "slave mercenaries".)

It also seems to me that there must be more than one slave race, although they might not all be present on Earth. That would explain the design of the mechs, since they look nothing like either the skitters or the skinnies. Also, the relatively polished invasion strategies seem to imply they've done it more than once.

(Of course, the aliens and their tools are all actually designed by humans, so in reality one shouldn't assume that particular designs imply much about their designers. E.g. many real walking robots look more like insects than like humans.)
post #1061 of 2147
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Originally Posted by billybobg View Post

The skitters are slave mercenaries of the skinnies. Yeah, I know I've written this before. Ol' RedEye sees a chance with human help to bring the skinnies down and gain freedom for the skitters.

"Overlords" is the official name for the skinnies.
post #1062 of 2147
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

It also seems to me that there must be more than one slave race, although they might not all be present on Earth. That would explain the design of the mechs, since they look nothing like either the skitters or the skinnies.

They are just bipedal armored machines that could be easily based on Overlord design. They look just like the ED-209 and humans made that. 209's don't look exactly like a human but they are clearly humanoid in form even with big legs and a flat head.

Just adding protrusions and making Mechs move differently to an Overlord doesn't mean they are a different species influence.
post #1063 of 2147
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

The comments about justifiably disposing of potential collaborators/informants/spies, etc made me realize that 2nd Mass doesn't seem to have any equivalent of a legal investigative system. Also, the captain seems very reluctant to actually apply extreme sanctions when they might be appropriate. The only people I recall even seeing restrained have been Pope and Mason, and exile seems to be the only other major punishment. I guess that's not surprising considering how few of them there are, but still...

It's probably more that we haven't seen any of this because the story hasn't needed it. We haven't really seen how any of the civilian life works. But one need look no further than other war torn and occupied nations in history to know that the rule of law would be, uhm, 'flexible' at best, unless the occupying army is enforcing the law. Which obviously it is not in the 2nd Mass. So, I feel confident in saying that either the Captain would rule with an iron fist to keep the civilian people in line (which he does not appear to do), or people would feel pretty free to do their own frontier justice, as needed. Look at the thousands of summary executions of Nazi collaborators in France, or how the MPAJA targeted Japanese collaborators in Malaya, to get a little glimpse of how a guy with alien spikes in his back or alien worms coming from his eye might be treated.

Except obviously he's the star of the show, so he gets an unrealistic free pass. Which is why I just can't suspend disbelief with Falling Skies.
post #1064 of 2147
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

When I was in the Army in the late 1960's .. we ate canned C rations dated 1944 and lived to tell the tale ..

Yikes! ... Let's just say, I know someone who keeps canned goods well past their expiration date ... Once in a while one will explode quite spectacularly. biggrin.gif
post #1065 of 2147
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Originally Posted by gprace View Post

Should they trust what the pilot said? No-one bothered to ask her to remove her jacket (which was kind of bulky) to see if she had a skitter "control" on her back. Is Charleston a trap?

I had the same though. Maybe I have a skitter control on my back.
post #1066 of 2147
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Originally Posted by billybobg View Post

Okay, you beat me to it. I wrote an hypothesis and dumped it. So here's a rewrite.
.... 2nd Mass joins in an underground in Charleston working (think BSG and the concentration camp) to get out and continue the fight.
Ol' RedEye (red eye like a Cylon..... wink.gif ) lets the underground know that things are going to go pear shaped and helps them escape before the aliens start eliminating Charleston.
Only thing is- the "Occupation-Precipice-Exodus-Collaborators" five episode story arc from season three of BSG was some of the most well written, dramatic and thought provoking television seen in years.
BSG had no reservations addressing suicide bombings, sabotage, civilian/collateral damage, prisoner torture, collaborators, sympathetic occupier agents and retribution.

I feel that if the current writers of FS tried to reproduce a similar story arc- it would be a complete mess with ridiculous situations, easy-outs and plot holes a mile wide.... I just hope they just steer clear of the whole situation.
post #1067 of 2147
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Originally Posted by replayrob View Post

Only thing is- the "Occupation-Precipice-Exodus-Collaborators" five episode story arc from season three of BSG was some of the most well written, dramatic and thought provoking television seen in years.
BSG had no reservations addressing suicide bombings, sabotage, civilian/collateral damage, prisoner torture, collaborators, sympathetic occupier agents and retribution.
I feel that if the current writers of FS tried to reproduce a similar story arc- it would be a complete mess with ridiculous situations, easy-outs and plot holes a mile wide.... I just hope they just steer clear of the whole situation.

Good points. BSG had grit. I agree that FS won't go that hard due to trying to keep the show "family friendly".
post #1068 of 2147
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Originally Posted by billybobg View Post

Good points. BSG had grit. I agree that FS won't go that hard due to trying to keep the show "family friendly".
... so I guess that means no Ellen Tigh doing "the swirl"...eek.gif
post #1069 of 2147
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Originally Posted by replayrob View Post

... so I guess that means no Ellen Tigh doing "the swirl"...eek.gif

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post #1070 of 2147
Kinda slow episode and for the most part it seemed we just spun our wheels.

Did they rescue the kid that got the back thingy on him or just leave him there? Was unclear and probaly had more to do with editing than writing.
post #1071 of 2147
500



Ok Maggie, I will go on patrol with you if you insist!
post #1072 of 2147
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Originally Posted by Argee View Post

Kinda slow episode and for the most part it seemed we just spun our wheels.
That's what I felt, too. I was thinking afterward "They killed Jimmy for that???"
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Did they rescue the kid that got the back thingy on him or just leave him there? Was unclear and probaly had more to do with editing than writing.

He just disappeared. I was expecting a frantic scene with his friends wanting to rip it off and someone from 2nd Mass explaining that'd kill him and how to do it.
post #1073 of 2147
So at what point will Tom Mason discipline his son, Matt. That boy is almost as bad as Carl from Walking Dead. I'd be ok if the writers decided to have a skitter-mech blow him up.

And the Papa Bear / Baby Bear nicknames for Weaver and his daughter were WAAAAYYY over the top.
post #1074 of 2147
Not a bad episode last night .. the assembly line spine slug idea was interesting .. although not much was spent on the props obviously ..

My only beef was the kid group taking off on their own .. who in their right mind would leave out on their own rather than join up with the 2nd Mass .. ??
post #1075 of 2147
kids those days...
post #1076 of 2147
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Originally Posted by aeromorris View Post

So at what point will Tom Mason discipline his son, Matt. That boy is almost as bad as Carl from Walking Dead. I'd be ok if the writers decided to have a skitter-mech blow him up.
And the Papa Bear / Baby Bear nicknames for Weaver and his daughter were WAAAAYYY over the top.

I fast forward when the single key piano background music starts. A bit bit too much touchy feely last night, IMO. That music sounds too much like the background music on a lame reality series and the scenes are forced to evoke what? Us connecting to the characters and that "normal" life still happens. The street scenes with lots of tents doesn't work either when there are intact buildings right next to them. Keep the tents packed for a quick getaway and reduce the ability of airborne surveilance picking up on them. Common writers, think these things through.
post #1077 of 2147

Did none of them, who questioned the info about Charleston, ever consider just sending an envoy with the pilot in the plane to check it out?  How hard would that be?  She said she came from there and was returning.   The trip would be about 700 miles at approx 100 kts, so you're talking about a 6.5 hour trip to discover the truth of an adventure of moving almost 200 people by land through dangerous territory.  Instead, they just send her on her way and start out basically into the unknown when they had a simple solution.  

post #1078 of 2147
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Originally Posted by flint350 View Post

Did none of them, who questioned the info about Charleston, ever consider just sending an envoy with the pilot in the plane to check it out?  How hard would that be?  She said she came from there and was returning.   The trip would be about 700 miles at approx 100 kts, so you're talking about a 6.5 hour trip to discover the truth of an adventure of moving almost 200 people by land through dangerous territory.  Instead, they just send her on her way and start out basically into the unknown when they had a simple solution.  
Um.... you're thinking too much here! We'll have none of that at Falling Skies smile.gif
post #1079 of 2147
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Originally Posted by aeromorris View Post

So at what point will Tom Mason discipline his son, Matt. That boy is almost as bad as Carl from Walking Dead. I'd be ok if the writers decided to have a skitter-mech blow him up.
And the Papa Bear / Baby Bear nicknames for Weaver and his daughter were WAAAAYYY over the top.

But in real life many people do have weird nicknames like that between the parent and the child. It didn't seem unusual to me.
post #1080 of 2147
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Originally Posted by flint350 View Post

Did none of them, who questioned the info about Charleston, ever consider just sending an envoy with the pilot in the plane to check it out?  How hard would that be?  She said she came from there and was returning.   The trip would be about 700 miles at approx 100 kts, so you're talking about a 6.5 hour trip to discover the truth of an adventure of moving almost 200 people by land through dangerous territory.  Instead, they just send her on her way and start out basically into the unknown when they had a simple solution.  

I thought she said she was continuing to head north and eventually head to Europe?
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