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post #1141 of 2147
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

They only needed enough fuel for one or two nights, since they're going on to SC right away. They'd never be coming back, so why care?

Yeah, I know it's minor, but the fuel for the lights could fuel the bus. I'm pretty good a suspending reality to watch scifi. I read a Katie Sackoff interview earlier today talking about BSG. Her comment was that it was a human drama with the Galactica as one of the characters. If the writers succeed with making the human drama decent, then the minor tech miscues will be overlooked by most. I think they're trying, but IMO they are missing the mark. Why shows like BSG, Farscape, Lost, Firefly and Stargate among others develop a fanbase is the connection that viewers make with the characters. The only character that I've got an interest in so far is Ben and he's not as strong a character as I'd like him to be, but I'm interested enough to tune in and see how the writers develop his story. You've got to have interactions and conflicts that make you curious how these personal stories are going to develop and turn out. I criticize the "touchy, feely" because its not how people interact on a day to day basis. Most of the one on one scenes are without drama. They are just nice people trying to be nice and gentle. That's not dramatic and it doesn't bring curiosity on what next week's episode will bring. Ben's interaction with the skitter does bring questions and it's too bad the other kid died because there could have been a good story arc of conflict between the two individuals that were freed from the harnesses and whether both were loyal to the resistance. They dropped the parasite arc from Tom character way to fast. It should have developed further and brought more conflict and intrigue instead of some pain and then it was over. The skitters are too alien to create personalies that you can try to imagine whether they are good or bad characters. There probably should be scenes where the Overlords are trying to strategize how to handle the skitter rebellion and the effect of that rebellion on their conquest of Earth. Seeing how the other side works, including why they don't use technology scifi geeks imagine as obvious would go a long way to reducing criticism. Maybe they aren't as energy self sufficient for some reason as we would imagine them to be. Maybe they need to tap into something on Earth before they can truly use their superior techology. Distance plays a large role in any invasion and their resources may be limited. Show us, so we can further suspend belief.
post #1142 of 2147
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Originally Posted by Argee View Post

Talk about making a minor plot point in to a mountain...sheesh. five minutes after the cameras were turned off they realized that the outside lights were on and they turned them off....

... by cutting the phone line. biggrin.gif
post #1143 of 2147
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Originally Posted by Steve S View Post

I can suspend disbelief as well as the next Sci-Fi fan but Fallling Skies is just beyond my capability to excuse. A little fibreglass matting on a vehicle hood doesn't mask the hot muffler or Cat Converter and is useless anyway if they insist on driving around with the headlights on high-beam. These people would have been wiped out by enemies using tech available during WW2, let alone advanced aliens.
OK, let's take it one step further- Any alien race that can traverse the vastness of space and reach Earth during our lifetime can wipe us out anyways so...wink.gif
post #1144 of 2147
I love the kerosene lanterns with the soft-white light bulbs in them. This is such a made-for-TV botch job.
post #1145 of 2147
I'm still asking how the aliens almost wiped out the humans, cities don't look nuked, there's no bodies anywhere from the millions slain.. I'm kinda guessing World of the World's death rays that vaporize humans, but the mechs have bullets and a stun ray.. mmm
post #1146 of 2147
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Originally Posted by NightHawk View Post

I love the kerosene lanterns with the soft-white light bulbs in them. This is such a made-for-TV botch job.

Were they supposed to be kerosene lanterns or battery operated LED lanterns? I Thought they were battery operated LED lanterns since I have a couple at home that look like them. They are shaped like a lantern but use LEDs to light up the room. And there are six or seven settings for the light output. And since they use LEDs they don't use very much power and can last a very long time on a a set of batteries.
post #1147 of 2147
With the success of Falling skies I give you Incursion!

http://ftlnews.com/2012/07/12/starz-developing-new-alien-war-show-called-incursion/
post #1148 of 2147
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Originally Posted by DaveFi View Post

OK, let's take it one step further- Any alien race that can traverse the vastness of space and reach Earth during our lifetime can wipe us out anyways so...wink.gif

The U.S. Military can span the globe and has the technology to wipe countries off the map, but there are political and strategic goals that preclude using our full might. The producers would reduce criticism along these lines if they gave us a clue as to why the aliens use their high tech weapons sparingly.
post #1149 of 2147
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Originally Posted by Wytchone View Post

With the success of Falling skies I give you Incursion!
http://ftlnews.com/2012/07/12/starz-developing-new-alien-war-show-called-incursion/

There's also "Revolution" on NBC this fall, it's the same minus aliens.. at least on this show they use arrows and stuff
post #1150 of 2147
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

They only needed enough fuel for one or two nights, since they're going on to SC right away. They'd never be coming back, so why care?

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Originally Posted by jpillar View Post

It amazes me how some are so critical about detail in a summer series TV show like this. I have yet to see any show that pays attention even to the most obvious. Many of those Hallmark Christmas shows look like they're filmed in the middle of summer. In the film Cinderella Man there is a seen with Russel Crowe in their backyard supposedly in late November in New Jersey in short sleeves. The only movie I can think of that took the pains for detail was It's a Wonderfull LIfe. That set just blows my mind: both the summer and winter settings and it was just a B movie back then. I know a little off topic but the powers that be in the film industry have really lost their craft to impress and make the film plausable to the viwer.
It's a Wonderful Life was most certainly not a B-Movie. It was a major studio release with a full newsreel media blitz to promote it. They spent over $3 million on it back in 1946 which would be over $40 million now. While not Gone WIth the Wind level of budget, it's hardly a B-Movie.

Further, there always seems to be some kind of excuse why things are sloppy when it costs nothing to make some effort to show them hiding themselves better. Why is it necessary to have the sign on the front of the building lit? Why can't it appear the blinds have been drawn on the windows? Why can't they use few lanterns and candles to light a room? Why can't they paint cat's eyes on their headlights?

We're sitting here spotting all these things and coming up with better options for free when the people paid to get it right fail at it. Sorry, but this isn't 1980 when you had to haul your but down to the library to research stuff. Productions now have a gaggle of writers, producers and consultants that should be saying stuff like "aren't all those lights going to be visible to the aliens?"

At least a campy show like MacGuyver had his little tricks grounded in real science, even if it was exagerated or oversimplified a bit for TV purposes. In fact, in many cases, the writers would leave out a step in a process specifically to make sure someone couldn't reproduce the result. Sure, maybe every foreign country looked suspiciously like Southern California, but you got the sense there was some care and effort to make things logical.
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Originally Posted by billybobg View Post

Yeah, I know it's minor, but the fuel for the lights could fuel the bus.
Maybe, maybe not.

A generator system large enough to run a hospital would likely run on propane or natural gas. While they might run on diesel, that's usually less desirable in a situation where you want lots of power that can run long periods of time without refueling.
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

Just to point out you don't need a key to unlock a door! It's not like they are going to be arrested for forcible entry to a door in an abandoned building. I am learning with this show you really need to strecth the imagination.
It's not about being able to legally open the door - it's about being able to open it at all.

The electrical closets in the building that I work in have steel doors and heavy duty locks on them to keep people out of them. Sure, they could likely take a sledge hammer to the works and get them open, but at that point it might be easier to simply send some of the cannon fodder extras around to turn some switches off.
post #1151 of 2147
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

There's also "Revolution" on NBC this fall, it's the same minus aliens.. at least on this show they use arrows and stuff
It's on NBC?
Don't waste your time- it will get canceled after 10 (or less) episodes... even if it is any good!
post #1152 of 2147
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Originally Posted by replayrob View Post

It's on NBC?
Don't waste your time- it will get canceled after 10 (or less) episodes... even if it is any good!
...and judging by the previews, it probably won't be.

That won't stop me from at least trying it out, but after Flash Forward, the Event and several other flops in the same vein, I don't expect this one to do any better.
post #1153 of 2147
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Originally Posted by replayrob View Post

It's on NBC?
Don't waste your time- it will get canceled after 10 (or less) episodes... even if it is any good!

Yep, like Community, Celeb Apprentice, 30 Rock, Law and Order .. etc .. shows get cancelled beause of viewership ..
post #1154 of 2147
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Yep, like Community, Celeb Apprentice, 30 Rock, Law and Order .. etc .. shows get cancelled beause of viewership ..
To be fair, NBC has a terrible record with "end of the world" dramas. They seem to do much better with procedurals and comedies. Each network seems to have its own general niche:

CBS - shows old people love
Fox - shows old people hate
ABC - mostly family orientated stuff with a few "silly, sexy" dramas thrown in in the second half
NBC - Procedurals that never seem to do as well as those on CBS and commedies full of quirky unlikeable characters

CW - Stuff nobody knows exists. If the CIA broadcasted all their secrets over the network, more people would hear about it on wikileaks
MyTV - Stuff that...um...well...yeah....they air stuff...

MeTV - Old shows that old people love, but they need the neighbor kid to scan for it on that new fangled tuner box to find it. Then, the channel never changes....
post #1155 of 2147

I enjoy sci-fi and will tolerate mediocre versions like this one.  It has its many obvious flaws, but remains mildly entertaining.  This was secured in my mind when I found myself smiling slightly at the news that it had been renewed.  While it's not 'must see' tv, it is interesting on some level when I learn to accept some of the plot stupidity.  Knowing it has a future makes me more likely to continue with it.  The Event and Terra Nova had much promise in the beginning and squandered it while delivering their own silliness.  Those cancellations, like many others, left the sci-fi devoted audience without a satisfying end as is normal - but hopefully Falling Skies will be given a chance.  I timidly look forward to Intrusion and Revolution, but with the understanding of just how fast NBC is on the trigger.

post #1156 of 2147
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

To be fair, NBC has a terrible record with "end of the world" dramas. They seem to do much better with procedurals and comedies. Each network seems to have its own general niche:
CBS - stuff old people love
Fox - Stuff old people hate
ABC - mostly family orientated stuff with a few "silly, sexy" dramas thrown in in the second half
NBC - Procedurals that never seem to do as well as those on CBS and commedies full of quirky unlikeable characters
CW - Stuff nobody knows exists. If the CIA broadcasted all their secrets over the network, more people would hear about it on wikileaks
MyTV - Stuff that...um...well...yeah....they air stuff...
MeTV - Stuff old people love, but they need the neighbor kid to scan for it on that new fangled tuner box to find it. Then, the channel never changes....

Agreed .. however, if a show finds an audience that's sufficient, it will continue .. the problem is the connection to the show .. Sci-Fi is a tough, tough genre .. it's likely the most roasted type show on AVS as well, with folks discounting a show sometimes even before it comes out .. I like to give things a chance .. and even though "Heros" only lasted 5 seasons, if you throw enough stuff against a wall, something will eventually stick .. at least NBC is trying ..
post #1157 of 2147
Giancarlo Esposito is enough to get me interested in this new end of the world drama... (although having no electricity for 15 years qualifies as such)

Falling skies crew are struggingl within a few months of no power...
post #1158 of 2147
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Agreed .. however, if a show finds an audience that's sufficient, it will continue .. the problem is the connection to the show .. Sci-Fi is a tough, tough genre .. it's likely the most roasted type show on AVS as well, with folks discounting a show sometimes even before it comes out .. I like to give things a chance .. and even though "Heros" only lasted 5 seasons, if you throw enough stuff against a wall, something will eventually stick .. at least NBC is trying ..
Are they really trying?

If so, that's real real change in tactic verses when they laid it up trying to fill 5 nights a week in their 10PM slot with Jay Leno just so no one else could grab him. In the process, they dumped several great dramas, including "Southland", which, ironicly went to TNT, the network that airs the very show this topic is about. Following that, they let E.R. go out with a whimper and let the original Law and Order dry up before it could break the Gunsmoke record - something the same show on CBS would have done. I think NBC's biggest failings with their dramas is they don't know how to sell them properly to those that want to watch them. Heroes is exactly the type of show that could have had 5 great seasons with them instead of 1 awesome one and 4 subpar ones.

Having said that, they still try more things than CBS, which barely seems to need to try at all to get viewers.

I would say, overall, ABC has been the network with the widest array of programming out of the normal box in the last decade or so. Before that, viewers could depend on Fox to always have something different. Now, all those Fox shows that seemed edgy are either gone or are running out of steam after so many seasons.
Edited by NetworkTV - 7/12/12 at 10:43am
post #1159 of 2147
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

Are they really trying?
If so, that's real real change in tactic verses when they laid it up trying to fill 5 nights a week in their 10PM slot with Jay Leno just so no one else could grab him. In the process, they dumped several great dramas, including "Southland", which, ironicly went to TNT, the network that airs the very show this topic is about. Following that, they let E.R. go out with a whimper and let the original Law and Order dry up before it could break the Gunsmoke record - something the same show on CBS would have done. I think NBC's biggest failings with their dramas is they don't know how to sell them properly to those that want to watch them. Heroes is exactly the type of show that could have had 5 great seasons with them instead of 1 awesome one and 4 subpar ones.
Having said that, they still try more things than CBS, which barely seems to need to try at all to get viewers.
I would say, overall, ABC has been the network with the widest array of programming out of the normal box in the last decade or so. Before that, viewers could depend on Fox to always have something different. Now, all those Fox shows that seemed edgy are either gone or are running out of steam after so many seasons.

As I said .. if you throw enough stuff against a wall, something will eventually stick .. at least NBC is trying .. in that context, yes, they are really trying ...
post #1160 of 2147
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Originally Posted by DaveFi View Post

OK, let's take it one step further- Any alien race that can traverse the vastness of space and reach Earth during our lifetime can wipe us out anyways so...wink.gif

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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

I'm still asking how the aliens almost wiped out the humans, cities don't look nuked, there's no bodies anywhere from the millions slain.. I'm kinda guessing World of the World's death rays that vaporize humans, but the mechs have bullets and a stun ray.. mmm

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Originally Posted by billybobg View Post

The U.S. Military can span the globe and has the technology to wipe countries off the map, but there are political and strategic goals that preclude using our full might. The producers would reduce criticism along these lines if they gave us a clue as to why the aliens use their high tech weapons sparingly.

You are all perhaps making the same incorrect assumption. Space travel and advanced weaponry are not co-dependent. We had this discussion in the "V" thread a couple of years ago too. There are countless examples in our own history where one type of technology was pursued to the exclusion of another AND also how inferior technology was able to beat superior technology.

You and your 50 guys have a nuke... Me and my 1000 guys have rocks... IF we can get to you before you launch the nuke... then we can beat you to death with our rocks... and your nuke is worthless.

Scientific development doesn't radiate out in a circle in all directions... the big developments go where the funding and effort is... So there is some alien race somewhere that their planet is about to be hit by an asteroid or explode or something and they have 10 years to figure a way off the planet. You can bet they drop all other things and focus on space travel... so space travel technology grows leaps and bounds at that point... thus they can have warp drive and space travel to other planets BUT still be shooting traditional bullets because that wasn't a priority. Now, they decide to conquer some other planet... from their spaceships in the sky... planets full of people without space travel... so even if those people have better weapons... you can drop stuff on them from space where they can't get at you... You wipe out most of the planet that way, then have to send some ground troops in to clean up... but that becomes more of a battle IF enough people survived to fight back because then on the ground they are equals.

Think US and Viet-Nam. We could have nuked Viet-Nam from here no muss no fuss and no US soldiers lost... but we drop down onto their territory where they know the land and have the advantage? Our superior weapons on the ground in their turf aren't enough to counter them in that scenario.

Of all the things to nitpick about Falling Skies... this aspect of the show is actually the most realistic. Space invaders that have space travel tech but not necessarily advanced in other ways... they surprise attack from the skies and wipe most of us out BUT when they come to ground, the tables are turned. Since they want us for slave labor and don't want to destroy all the resources or the planet is useless to them... they can't just try and wipe us out from the skies completely without ruining what they came here for.
post #1161 of 2147
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

Giancarlo Esposito is enough to get me interested in this new end of the world drama... (although having no electricity for 15 years qualifies as such)
Falling skies crew are struggingl within a few months of no power...

True that .. he's everywhere these days .. although I kinda wish he'd been able to stick around Breaking Bad a bit longer ..
post #1162 of 2147
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Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post

You are all perhaps making the same incorrect assumption. Space travel and advanced weaponry are not co-dependent. We had this discussion in the "V" thread a couple of years ago too. There are countless examples in our own history where one type of technology was pursued to the exclusion of another AND also how inferior technology was able to beat superior technology.
Think US and Viet-Nam. We could have nuked Viet-Nam from here no muss no fuss and no US soldiers lost... but we drop down onto their territory where they know the land and have the advantage? Our superior weapons on the ground in their turf aren't enough to counter them in that scenario.
.

I actually believe you made my point. You are hypothizing as much as anyone. My final sentence: "Originally Posted by billybobg

The producers would reduce criticism along these lines if they gave us a clue as to why the aliens use their high tech weapons sparingly." merely asks for some clarity here so we can stop being critical. Maybe this will come through as the skitters and the humans interact and their story is revealed.
post #1163 of 2147
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Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post

You are all perhaps making the same incorrect assumption. Space travel and advanced weaponry are not co-dependent. We had this discussion in the "V" thread a couple of years ago too. There are countless examples in our own history where one type of technology was pursued to the exclusion of another AND also how inferior technology was able to beat superior technology.
You and your 50 guys have a nuke... Me and my 1000 guys have rocks... IF we can get to you before you launch the nuke... then we can beat you to death with our rocks... and your nuke is worthless.
Scientific development doesn't radiate out in a circle in all directions... the big developments go where the funding and effort is... So there is some alien race somewhere that their planet is about to be hit by an asteroid or explode or something and they have 10 years to figure a way off the planet. You can bet they drop all other things and focus on space travel... so space travel technology grows leaps and bounds at that point... thus they can have warp drive and space travel to other planets BUT still be shooting traditional bullets because that wasn't a priority. Now, they decide to conquer some other planet... from their spaceships in the sky... planets full of people without space travel... so even if those people have better weapons... you can drop stuff on them from space where they can't get at you... You wipe out most of the planet that way, then have to send some ground troops in to clean up... but that becomes more of a battle IF enough people survived to fight back because then on the ground they are equals.
Think US and Viet-Nam. We could have nuked Viet-Nam from here no muss no fuss and no US soldiers lost... but we drop down onto their territory where they know the land and have the advantage? Our superior weapons on the ground in their turf aren't enough to counter them in that scenario.
Of all the things to nitpick about Falling Skies... this aspect of the show is actually the most realistic. Space invaders that have space travel tech but not necessarily advanced in other ways... they surprise attack from the skies and wipe most of us out BUT when they come to ground, the tables are turned. Since they want us for slave labor and don't want to destroy all the resources or the planet is useless to them... they can't just try and wipe us out from the skies completely without ruining what they came here for.

Reminds me of the Replicators v. Asgard story arc from SG:SG1. The Asgard needed help from Earth humans because "The Asgard would never invent a weapon that propels small weights of iron and carbon alloys by igniting a powder of potassium nitrate charcoal and sulfur". That being said; how could a conquering alien invasion force not, at the very least, have IR technology at their disposal?
post #1164 of 2147
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Agreed .. however, if a show finds an audience that's sufficient, it will continue .. the problem is the connection to the show .. Sci-Fi is a tough, tough genre .. it's likely the most roasted type show on AVS as well, with folks discounting a show sometimes even before it comes out .. I like to give things a chance .. and even though "Heros" only lasted 5 seasons, if you throw enough stuff against a wall, something will eventually stick .. at least NBC is trying ..
Are they really trying?

If so, that's real real change in tactic verses when they laid it up trying to fill 5 nights a week in their 10PM slot with Jay Leno just so no one else could grab him. In the process, they dumped several great dramas, including "Southland", which, ironicly went to TNT, the network that airs the very show this topic is about. Following that, they let E.R. go out with a whimper and let the original Law and Order dry up before it could break the Gunsmoke record - something the same show on CBS would have done. I think NBC's biggest failings with their dramas is they don't know how to sell them properly to those that want to watch them. Heroes is exactly the type of show that could have had 5 great seasons with them instead of 1 awesome one and 4 subpar ones.

Having said that, they still try more things than CBS, which barely seems to need to try at all to get viewers.

I would say, overall, ABC has been the network with the widest array of programming out of the normal box in the last decade or so. Before that, viewers could depend on Fox to always have something different. Now, all those Fox shows that seemed edgy are either gone or are running out of steam after so many seasons.
No to be just TOO annoying, but, according to EPGUIDES, Heroes only had four seasons.

http://www.epguides.com/heroes/

Still, the points are valid.
post #1165 of 2147
I'm enjoying this season much more than I did last season.

I don't understand why the people who are bitching and moaning about the show continue to watch it. If a show bothers me that much, I just stop watching.
post #1166 of 2147
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Originally Posted by tomhunter8 View Post

I'm enjoying this season much more than I did last season.
I don't understand why the people who are bitching and moaning about the show continue to watch it. If a show bothers me that much, I just stop watching.

Whether or not to watch television shows like life is not black or white.
post #1167 of 2147
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

I'm still asking how the aliens almost wiped out the humans, cities don't look nuked, there's no bodies anywhere from the millions slain.. I'm kinda guessing World of the World's death rays that vaporize humans, but the mechs have bullets and a stun ray.. mmm

They harnessed everyone and sent them to invade another planet just like the skitters....

As to why I still sort of watch is that for me, and apparently some others, it's become camp. I'm sure that is not what Spielberg intended at the start but with the horrible writing that is what it's become. Each week I tune in to see just how stupid these people can be, and they have not let me down yet.
post #1168 of 2147
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Originally Posted by tomhunter8 View Post

I'm enjoying this season much more than I did last season.
I don't understand why the people who are bitching and moaning about the show continue to watch it. If a show bothers me that much, I just stop watching.
I enjoy watching the show - it's just that it kills me all the simple ways it could be so much better.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to criticize how these people blow throw resources like fuel and ammunition apparently with no regard for how much they use. I think it's perfectly reasonable to question how they can roam about without the least bit of stealth and still avoid getting trounced on by the enemy. Further, after the skitters attempted to steal their children by luring them out to a "safe place", I think it's reasonable to wonder why they aren't suspicious of some random woman in a plane who tells them there's a Utopia out there they should all head to all at once that somehow the enemy doesn't know about.

The concept of the show is great and there are certainly plenty of entertaining moments, but I think it's perfectly reasonable to want some sort of care and logic shimmied in there somewhere.

Personally, I want the show to be better so it will be more compelling to watch. It's entertaining now, but could be awesome if they just tried to address some of these ongoing absurdities.
post #1169 of 2147
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

it's just that it kills me all the simple ways it could be so much better.

my thoughts exactly every time I watch it.
post #1170 of 2147
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Originally Posted by Wytchone View Post

With the success of Falling skies I give you Incursion!
http://ftlnews.com/2012/07/12/starz-developing-new-alien-war-show-called-incursion/

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