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post #1981 of 2147
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Originally Posted by Yrd View Post

I don't know what is so interesting about the Volm.

For one they can talk. Unlike Espheni they don't use the budget-saving human takeover route. Their motives are less simple than invasion and enslavement. Doug Jones is a charismatic actor in prosthetic. Everyone who was involved in some kind of Espheni alien-takeover plot was not.
post #1982 of 2147
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

The greatest enemy on Falling Skies isn't the Volm or the Espheni. It has to be the lack of money. The inconsistency, lack of plot logic and the directions that make no sense can all be traced back to the budget.

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I don't know what TNT allocate to Falling Skies but it just makes me think of SG-1. That wasn't a show with a massive budget and the majority of worlds took place in the same medieval towns, Canadian forest or desert, but it managed to provide a lot more alien and spectacle than Falling Skies delivers.

Did you just counter your own point? I really don't think you can blame the budget for this show's failures. The writing is what does it in. The writers are the ones who come up with the inconsistencies and illogical plots, because they don't know how to move the show along within its budgetary constraints. The writers need to stop coming up with grandiose ideas that they can't implement and filler episodes to pad out the space between the more expensive ones that advance the main story. The writers on Stargate and Star Trek were able to tell far more interesting stories with far fewer technologies at their disposal to make alien worlds and races come to life, so I don't buy the idea that throwing more money at Falling Skies would solve its problems.
post #1983 of 2147
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

Did you just counter your own point? I really don't think you can blame the budget for this show's failures. The writing is what does it in. The writers are the ones who come up with the inconsistencies and illogical plots, because they don't know how to move the show along within its budgetary constraints.

I'm not excusing the writers here because they are responsible for coming up with some of these scenarios the checks cannot cash and even outside of those moments there is no excuse for the dialog or some of the character moments ("snakes on my head!") that drag down some of the scenes. But even then there should be workarounds you can get away with within those budgetary constraints if the producers are creative.

So we get these big ideas and no money to fulfill them and the show lurches around trying to make up the difference. If this show had a larger budget then some of the episodes this season might have been better and less bottle. Less time sitting in rubble. Less instances of characters disappearing and then magically returning. Less number of events taking place that are disconnected from the previous because the show couldn't afford to put them on screen. Aliens that should appear have to be pushed off camera for a human substitute. etc.

The show started with a global invasion and big cast so the show can't do much about the premise now. We are stuck with a bigger picture story and it has to address bigger picture elements. A small budget increase could attempt to solve some of these problems. We might not have had to suffer the line dancing mechs in the first season or watch almost every episode as the humans succeed because the Espheni are having a furlough in the beamer hangar.
post #1984 of 2147
Doesn't Falling Skies have a big budget? No idea what the budget is now but in the first couple of seasons it was supposed to cost them 2.5 million per episode. When a show is heavy on effects like Falling Skies is the money can only go so far.
post #1985 of 2147
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Originally Posted by JeffAHayes View Post

Second, "10 minutes" is a HUMAN time construct. Time, as WE know it, means NOTHING to anyone not from Earth. Certainly aliens would have some means of measuring time, but I seriously doubt they'd have their weapon calibrated for a "10-minute recharge!" Of course they could say it takes that long because we don't know their time units, so I guess I can "swallow" that one litle thing.

Seriously? The idea that the Volm said '10 minutes' bothers you? When I travel to Europe, and I'm talking to people, I use metric units like they do. Because if I say I get 30 miles per gallon n my car, or I want to buy a 20oz soda, there's a good chance that the person I'm talking to won't understand the specifics of what I'm saying. If the Volm are taking the time to address humans in their native language, certainly they'd use locally familiar units of measurement. It wouldn't make sense for them to say 'Crap, now we have to wait another 257 chrkandels before we can shoot again".
post #1986 of 2147
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Originally Posted by vfxproducer View Post

[If the Volm are taking the time to address humans in their native language, certainly they'd use locally familiar units of measurement. It wouldn't make sense for them to say 'Crap, now we have to wait another 257 chrkandels before we can shoot again".

Which just reinforces what an ass Tom is. The Volm travel half way across the galaxy, help the resistance and learn the language yet Tom and the humans still couldn't be bothered to learn their names or even a shorter version in their language.
post #1987 of 2147
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Originally Posted by vfxproducer View Post

When I travel to Europe, and I'm talking to people, I use metric units like they do.

I always get a Royale with cheese. wink.gif
post #1988 of 2147
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

Which just reinforces what an ass Tom is. The Volm travel half way across the galaxy, help the resistance and learn the language yet Tom and the humans still couldn't be bothered to learn their names or even a shorter version in their language.

No, it reinforces the science fiction standard that all aliens magically speak English or have a way to perform perfect real-time translations of the spoken word, because using fake alien languages on a regular basis is an annoyance to the viewer that provides little benefit. A "realistic" science fiction show about making contact with aliens would be a chore to watch, because nobody would be able to understand anybody else if such alien contact actually happened.

Spending 3+ seasons with people going, "Huh?" as they struggled to communicate would make for pretty dull television, and nobody wants to watch a show about linguists studying alien languages. The Volm speak English for the viewer's sake, not for Mason's. Using the audience's language is a normal part of the suspension of disbelief in science fiction, so I'm rather surprised that anyone would be upset by it.
post #1989 of 2147
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

I always get a Royale with cheese. wink.gif
I prefer Big Kahuna Burger. THAT'S a tasty burger!
post #1990 of 2147
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

No, it reinforces the science fiction standard that all aliens magically speak English or have a way to perform perfect real-time translations of the spoken word, because using fake alien languages on a regular basis is an annoyance to the viewer that provides little benefit.

And that explains why the show had to give "Cochise" his name instead of using his actual name (or a derivation thereof) because ... ?

It doesn't.

It's the equivalent of meeting Native American tribes for the first time and deciding "Nah, learning your name is too much effort. I'm going to call you Feathers." So much for the nobility of the species eh, Tom Mason?
post #1991 of 2147
I assumed "Cochise" was the writers' attempt to give him an alien-sounding name. The writers on Falling Skies aren't very creative. I never considered it to be a nickname given to him by the humans. Did I miss a line in the season opener where someone explained that they called him that due to being unable to pronounce his real name?
post #1992 of 2147
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

I assumed "Cochise" was the writers' attempt to give him an alien-sounding name. The writers on Falling Skies aren't very creative. I never considered it to be a nickname given to him by the humans. Did I miss a line in the season opener where someone explained that they called him that due to being unable to pronounce his real name?

No, but since the Volm speak English and we know and have heard his real name at least twice then it would be basic courtesy to either learn how to pronounce it or ask how the Volm would prefer to be addressed. Not just condescendingly ascribe one. A dumb and lazy move on the part of the writers and an insulting move on the part of the characters. You don't hear the Volm addressing Lourdes as Doccy, or Weaver as "Clichodoce" because it's easier to say in Volmish.

And the name Cochise isn't alien in any way. Who doesn't know the origin of that name? Did Tom and the rest of them learn the names of the other Volm engineers or did they just start going through the Native American history books?

Tom needs to learn some basic intergalactic courtesy from Bruce Willis.


Edited by VisionOn - 8/11/13 at 10:22pm
post #1993 of 2147
Well, that sort of a discussion would certainly have been riviting television. tongue.gif

In the vast scheme of things bungled up in this show that really wouldn't have made my top ten, any more than Cochise being not only familiar with spoken English, but all the various colloquialisms and slang as well. He smart Volm!
post #1994 of 2147
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

Well, that sort of a discussion would certainly have been riviting television. tongue.gif

The show could have included the exchange in the three months of alien first contact that it completely skipped over. Maybe over a sandwich while the Volm were teaching Anne and Lourdes how to extract Espheni spinal implants with the alien scanning machine, but not develop any method whatsoever for detecting metallic eye bugs wriggling around in someone's head. wink.gif
post #1995 of 2147
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

No, but since the Volm speak English and we know and have heard his real name at least twice then it would be basic courtesy to either learn how to pronounce it or ask how the Volm would prefer to be addressed.............................

That was all done off screen in the time that was skipped over between seasons. smile.gif
post #1996 of 2147
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

That was all done off screen in the time that was skipped over between seasons. smile.gif

And the Volm said ...

"It's okay, you don't have to bother to learn or remember our names in either long or short form, even though we just came all this way to save your asses. Just choose the name of a warrior that your countrymen persecuted and fought against for a decade to establish trust and respect. You can just ignore the rest of my people. Their names are not important and they will all die offscreen anyway." tongue.gif
post #1997 of 2147
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

No, but since the Volm speak English and we know and have heard his real name at least twice then it would be basic courtesy to either learn how to pronounce it or ask how the Volm would prefer to be addressed. Not just condescendingly ascribe one. A dumb and lazy move on the part of the writers and an insulting move on the part of the characters. You don't hear the Volm addressing Lourdes as Doccy, or Weaver as "Clichodoce" because it's easier to say in Volmish.

And the name Cochise isn't alien in any way. Who doesn't know the origin of that name? Did Tom and the rest of them learn the names of the other Volm engineers or did they just start going through the Native American history books?

Tom needs to learn some basic intergalactic courtesy from Bruce Willis.

It's tv! Why do you care so much?
post #1998 of 2147
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Originally Posted by ambesolman View Post

It's tv! Why do you care so much?

It's TV! Why are you even bothering to post in this thread?

Or any thread concerning such a trivial and superficial form of entertainment? rolleyes.gif
post #1999 of 2147
I know a guy from India who just says "call me Sam" because he's tired of hearing well-intentioned Americans butcher his name trying to say it, and because of the way that derails every conversation. He tells me that's almost universally the case when Indian tech-support workers introduce themselves on the phone.
post #2000 of 2147
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

It's TV! Why are you even bothering to post in this thread?

Or any thread concerning such a trivial and superficial form of entertainment? rolleyes.gif

I'm wondering if the thread will continue with regular posts until next season ..
post #2001 of 2147
Is there such a thing as a "regular" post off season? I expect more photos of Sarah Carter before his thread slips to page 12.

If anyone is bored they should read Greg Beeman's blog. You can get a background on what happened this season and why. The budget, Moon Bloodgood becoming pregnant and the producers and writers just winging it seem to be the cause of many of the plot issues.
post #2002 of 2147
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

Is there such a thing as a "regular" post off season? I expect more photos of Sarah Carter before his thread slips to page 12.

If anyone is bored they should read Greg Beeman's blog. You can get a background on what happened this season and why. The budget, Moon Bloodgood becoming pregnant and the producers and writers just winging it seem to be the cause of many of the plot issues.

Thanks!!! i just checked it out

I see this was posted a week ago on the blog.
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If it's any consolation to the diehard fan - the production office for season 4 just opened this week, the crew is coming aboard, a first draft of the first script has come out - and season 4 looks very exciting with a lot of big changes and many twists and turns... Also, if you haven't heard, we will be doing 12 episodes and not just 10 next time - so that's 20% more FALLING SKIES for you!

So 12 episodes next season sounds like a great deal.
post #2003 of 2147
Yeah Greg Beeman posts interesting stuff even when I don't care for the results. I didn't read much of it this year because I was playing catch up with episodes, so I was going back through it.

Moon's pregnancy really seems to have thrown them this season. Reading how they were shooting her scenes with only half of them written explains a lot.
post #2004 of 2147
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

Yeah Greg Beeman posts interesting stuff even when I don't care for the results. I didn't read much of it this year because I was playing catch up with episodes, so I was going back through it.

Moon's pregnancy really seems to have thrown them this season. Reading how they were shooting her scenes with only half of them written explains a lot.

Moon, sweetheart, two words for you: family planning. It's all the rage these days.
post #2005 of 2147
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

And that explains why the show had to give "Cochise" his name instead of using his actual name (or a derivation thereof) because ... ?

It doesn't.

It's the equivalent of meeting Native American tribes for the first time and deciding "Nah, learning your name is too much effort. I'm going to call you Feathers." So much for the nobility of the species eh, Tom Mason?

Aren't you essentially doing the same thing here in this post, though?

Because... they aren't "Native Americans" any more than they were "Indians"... It wasn't America when they were the only humans here regularly... and they aren't native to this continent either! The "Native Americans" essentially were neither native nor American.

They really should have been called by their tribal names or whatever names they asked to be called by... and yet even today, most people still don't do that... which means "Cochise" on Falling Skies is really just representative of that... people doing what is easier.
post #2006 of 2147
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Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post

Aren't you essentially doing the same thing here in this post, though?

Because... they aren't "Native Americans" any more than they were "Indians"... It wasn't America when they were the only humans here regularly... and they aren't native to this continent either! The "Native Americans" essentially were neither native nor American.

Oh please, it's not even remotely the same. Arguing semantics when you clearly get the point is nonsense and completely off topic for this thread. You can bring it up next time you are in a history and anthropology seminar. Sure, I could have listed every indigenous tribe of North America. Did I need to? No. Did I single out any particular tribe? No, I didn't do that either. I used the generally accepted encompassing term to describe the original inhabitants of America. As far as we know Cheechockilsneetch-nitchchatico isn't part of a particular Volm tribe or clan either.

See also: Smithsonian National Museum of the American Indian, just to make the argument even more futile
post #2007 of 2147
Does anyone remember what Cochise's father was called in the final episode? Did it sound similar, or was it alien gibberish? I forget how Cochise introduced him.
post #2008 of 2147
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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives View Post

Does anyone remember what Cochise's father was called in the final episode? Did it sound similar, or was it alien gibberish? I forget how Cochise introduced him.

Cheechockilsneetch-nitchchatico ..

honestly, though, I don't recall the Dad having any intro name other than Father ..
post #2009 of 2147
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Thanks!!! i just checked it out

I see this was posted a week ago on the blog.
So 12 episodes next season sounds like a great deal.

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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Cheechockilsneetch-nitchchatico ..

honestly, though, I don't recall the Dad having any intro name other than Father ..

I vaguely remember him being introduced by his Volm name before Cochise said that he was his father.
post #2010 of 2147
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Originally Posted by hooked01 View Post

I vaguely remember him being introduced by his Volm name before Cochise said that he was his father.

Waschak-Cha'ab according to IMDB. Washaskabab according to Greg Beeman.

Bizarrely both played by Doug Jones with a voiceover actor for Waschak-Cha'ab. I wish I had known that at the time, I would have paid more attention to how they pulled it off on screen.
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