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post #181 of 2773
1/14/11 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by Pure-Evil View Post
I think as long as the cables are good quality there should be no difference at all
Yup, I'm im that camp as well. Any decent wire will do.

In fact if aesthetics are not an issue, I'd say lamp cord's would be fine as well.

(And you all know from my pic above, aesthetics don't much matter to me...lol)

My wife's hot though! Aesthetics do matter in that case. :-)

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post #182 of 2773
1/14/11 at 10:37am
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Good thing you didn't put your money on the Vikings, Twins, or Timberwolves!
Some may call me miss-guided.... but not stupid.

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post #183 of 2773
1/14/11 at 9:35pm
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I am sure enough to have put $30k of my own money on the line. As for no one has succeeded. I think Krell, emotiva and a lot of other companies that sell based on the wiring, connectors, power suppliers, etc., inside have. Otherwise, why are you buying this stuff? Just hit home depot and buy lamp cord.

Are you a friend of Noel Lee?

Your investment of $30k is strictly a matter of choice. This is supposed to be a free country (and all that stuff) so as far as I'm concerned if it pleases you you should not have to justify it to others by claiming to possess "golden ears".

Please explain what you mean when you mention "Krell, emotiva"...... etc. in a discussion about your ability to tell the difference between various speaker cables. "Krell, emotiva"...... etc. have not taken any of these challenges because they're not egotistical enough to risk the certain embarassment of losing.

Or are you merely dropping names?

As far as why I buy the equipment that I do, suffice it to say that voodoo, snake oil, phony marketing claims, the placebo effect, the "experimenter expectancy effect", or any other psychoacoustic mumbo-jumbo have no bearing on my choices.

If you can't show me the real science, measure it, or pick it out reliably in an ABX test it's BS

BTW - I'd use lamp cord if I could be sure that it wouldn't begin to corrode after some time. Home Depot wire is notorious for this. But there are plenty of brands of wire out there (Monoprice, Belden, Canare to name a few) that are of high quality, affordable, and do not insult the intelligence of the consumer by making false claims and charging exhorbitant prices.

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SB
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post #184 of 2773
1/15/11 at 5:30am
Pure Evil,

Those look great! Well done sir.
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post #185 of 2773
1/15/11 at 6:07am
In regards to the speaker wire listening challenge, has anyone done this with wire of different gauges? I've seen multiple discussions which suggest buying cable with a correct gauge for impedance-reasons when running over certain distances and there is data to support the reasoning. My question is, has anyone done a listening test to determine if there are audible difference between say, 22 gauge wire at a 50' length vs say 12 gauge? The point being to determine if the larger gauge wire will make any noticeable difference in the audio quality.
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post #186 of 2773
1/15/11 at 3:13pm
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In regards to the speaker wire listening challenge, has anyone done this with wire of different gauges? I've seen multiple discussions which suggest buying cable with a correct gauge for impedance-reasons when running over certain distances and there is data to support the reasoning. My question is, has anyone done a listening test to determine if there are audible difference between say, 22 gauge wire at a 50' length vs say 12 gauge? The point being to determine if the larger gauge wire will make any noticeable difference in the audio quality.

Some interesting stuff -

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm
http://www.Sound.westhost.com/cables-p2.htm#spkr-leads

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SB
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post #187 of 2773
1/15/11 at 4:59pm
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Pure Evil,

Those look great! Well done sir.

Thank you. Takes bow
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post #188 of 2773
1/15/11 at 7:07pm
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Originally Posted by Pure-Evil View Post

Awesome speaker cables eh?!!! They look like a million bucks but cost a fraction!!! Don't get sucked in!!!

12 guage monoprice wire monoprice banana plugs knukonceptz cable pants and tech flex from eBay seller FurryLetters!!! Great deal!!!! And yes they are long!!! 50ft That is just ONE cable LOL I told you my room is BIG!

what size tech flex did u use? i'm looking to buy some.

-bryan
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post #189 of 2773
1/16/11 at 6:56am
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what size tech flex did u use? i'm looking to buy some.

-bryan

Use 3/8 or 1/2"
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post #190 of 2773
1/16/11 at 10:04am
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Originally Posted by SpotcheckBilly View Post

Are you a friend of Noel Lee?

Your investment of $30k is strictly a matter of choice. This is supposed to be a free country (and all that stuff) so as far as I'm concerned if it pleases you you should not have to justify it to others by claiming to possess "golden ears".
All easy answers, golden ears, didn't say I had them. I believe I can hear the differance.
Please explain what you mean when you mention "Krell, emotiva"...... etc. in a discussion about your ability to tell the difference between various speaker cables. "Krell, emotiva"...... etc. have not taken any of these challenges because they're not egotistical enough to risk the certain embarassment of losing.
Again easy, have you visited their websites and looked at the reviews? I seem to hear them all brag about wires and power suppliers etc, in ther equipment. I take that as a success at selling on sound and wiring. Losing, losing what? $50k on mono blocks.... seems they are no losing.
Or are you merely dropping names?
I sure am dropping names, like they drop advertisements.
As far as why I buy the equipment that I do, suffice it to say that voodoo, snake oil, phony marketing claims, the placebo effect, the "experimenter expectancy effect", or any other psychoacoustic mumbo-jumbo have no bearing on my choices.
Perfect and that is why we have so many choices.
If you can't show me the real science, measure it, or pick it out reliably in an ABX test it's BS
I don't need to show you anything. But, there are others who think there is a differance and might like an "opinion" on what we come up with. Maybe even offer suggestions. Why not just buy lamp cord and put a sleeve on it? No one would know. Totally your choice.
BTW - I'd use lamp cord if I could be sure that it wouldn't begin to corrode after some time. Home Depot wire is notorious for this. But there are plenty of brands of wire out there (Monoprice, Belden, Canare to name a few) that are of high quality, affordable, and do not insult the intelligence of the consumer by making false claims and charging exhorbitant prices.

Cheers,
SB

Rather than attack, I am offering to listen to alternative wires. A lot of companies make profits on selling that. Rather than attack me, revel on someone who thinks there is a differance and laugh. As for others like me, they might be interested.
Since you are not.... so what.
i filled in response in your Wall of text.
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post #191 of 2773
1/16/11 at 12:25pm
I'm in process of updating my a/v ird from a 1992 Kenwood 8540 to a Onkyo 3008
this will be my first use of the banana plugs,I got the 12g wire from monoprice and plugs too at 4:00am this morning
thanks Pure-Evil for the info on the other plugs,the monoprice ones may have a short service life
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post #192 of 2773
1/17/11 at 8:43pm
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I'm in process of updating my a/v ird from a 1992 Kenwood 8540 to a Onkyo 3008
this will be my first use of the banana plugs,I got the 12g wire from monoprice and plugs too at 4:00am this morning
thanks Pure-Evil for the info on the other plugs,the monoprice ones may have a short service life

Ya they don't last long if you pull them out and put back often. But....you can always use a knife to carefully open them back up some.
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post #193 of 2773
1/23/11 at 9:15pm
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I wanted to update this thread. After looking harder I'm going to suggest getting the 3/8" techflex instead of the 1/2" for a better fit. It's not that the 1/2" doesn't fit, it does, but....if can be a little loose if you don't pull it tight over the 12 gauge monoprice cables. Anyways....still looking for pictures of what you've made. It seems this thread has created a monster in many people as I'm getting tons of emails and PM's regarding this. Enjoy your new cables!!!
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post #194 of 2773
1/23/11 at 9:29pm
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heres up close with the GLS locking which I am not really crazy about but they will do for now:



Now these cords have three wires inside black white and green so I made these like this, white is positive at both ends, at the AVR the black only is used at the neg terminal, at the speaker side I have both the black and green twisted and hooked to neg. ( back at the avr side the green ground is nipped flush with the tech flex and buried in the shrink). I read an article about this set up on another site about how this would be beneficial and improve something in the speaker performance and so on and so on , I wish I could link but I lost the bookmark a long time ago but always remembered so I gave it a shot, to be honest I don't hear the difference but I dont have my conk shell insulators in place yet.
These are the first pair of cables I tried so hopefully I will get the knack and pass quality control. I know, yes I will make more , why not, lol.

those look pretty good to me. I'm not a fan of heat shrink honestly but to each their own. I find the KnuKonceptz cable pants the best I have seen yet and at $.99 each they're a steal
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post #195 of 2773
1/23/11 at 9:33pm
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What did i do wrong? hehehehe....but hey, they work!




Test,

Evil, maybe i outta come by and let you make me some. :-)

hey if you want to come by I can make you a few cables. I have parts here now.
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post #196 of 2773
1/24/11 at 1:31am
Finally made my own!

Pretty much followed the recipe...except used Parts Express 9mm cable boots instead (cheaper for me). I like it! I think I would have preferred a tighter fit on the techflex, so next time I would go with 3/8.

Thanks Pure Evil!
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post #197 of 2773
1/24/11 at 1:56am
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Originally Posted by blackzarg View Post

Finally made my own!

Pretty much followed the recipe...except used Parts Express 9mm cable boots instead (cheaper for me). I like it! I think I would have preferred a tighter fit on the techflex, so next time I would go with 3/8.

Thanks Pure Evil!

Hey those look fantastic! I know what you're saying about the 3/8" and I agree however, I really didn't want to see any white showing through and the 1/2" tech flex when relaxed is 1/4" so it should fit pretty well. great job!

I'm betting you're glad you didn't piss away a ton of money on "expensive" cables eh? LOL

Is that blue? or did you get the dark purple tech flex?

instead, you got HIGH QUALITY "Evil Cables"
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post #198 of 2773
1/24/11 at 3:10am
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I'm planning on doing up some bi-wire cables soon...I'll post pictures as soon as I have those and maybe a small write up to boot for you guys.
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post #199 of 2773
1/24/11 at 3:37am
I see people are/were dissing the Monoprice banana plugs... I'm using the second type that you posted a pic of in the first page, though I bought them off eBay, 10 shipped for 20 plugs. I suppose they're not the greatest ever, but they seem to work just fine. I also considered the Nakamichi ones, but didn't bite. Overall these cheap plugs do their job and aren't a "rip-off" like the ones I could find more locally (3 euros per metallic plug, or 1,5 euros for ones with plastic exterior).

Then again my speaker cables aren't "high end" either, just regular cheapo 1,5mm (living room HT setup) or 2,5mm (computer desktop near-field setup with more expensive speakers & amp) thick copper wire
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post #200 of 2773
1/24/11 at 9:28am
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I'm planning on doing up some bi-wire cables soon...I'll post pictures as soon as I have those and maybe a small write up to boot for you guys.
I made some really cool bi-amp cables yesterday and if I can figure out how to post pics I will. From recommendations in this thread I used black 4-channel cable pants from Pro Cables Direct and black chrome GLS bananas. I went with white techflex & heatshrink so it blends with my light colored carpet and white baseboards. I'll take some pics tonight--any help with the best way to post the pics is appreciated.
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post #201 of 2773
1/24/11 at 2:53pm
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I made some really cool bi-amp cables yesterday and if I can figure out how to post pics I will. From recommendations in this thread I used black 4-channel cable pants from Pro Cables Direct and black chrome GLS bananas. I went with white techflex & heatshrink so it blends with my light colored carpet and white baseboards. I'll take some pics tonight--any help with the best way to post the pics is appreciated.

You can just attach them here or put then on photobucket and link them. Easy
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post #202 of 2773
1/24/11 at 8:05pm
I haven't purchased any banana plugs yet, but I assembled the components I have so far. I used the 12ga monoprice CL2 with the 1/2" carbon colored flex with the knukonceptz ends. I made three cables for my L,C, & R speakers.

Album of photos.







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post #203 of 2773
1/24/11 at 8:33pm
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i made some really cool bi-amp cables yesterday and if i can figure out how to post pics i will. From recommendations in this thread i used black 4-channel cable pants from pro cables direct and black chrome gls bananas. I went with white techflex & heatshrink so it blends with my light colored carpet and white baseboards. I'll take some pics tonight--any help with the best way to post the pics is appreciated.

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My 2nd attempt at making bi-amp speaker cables using techflex, heatshrink, and banana plugs, and 1st time working with cable pants and non-Monoprice plugs. They may not be up to the "Evil Standard" yet, but hopefully someday they will!
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post #204 of 2773
1/24/11 at 9:42pm
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My 2nd attempt at making bi-amp speaker cables using techflex, heatshrink, and banana plugs, and 1st time working with cable pants and non-Monoprice plugs. They may not be up to the "Evil Standard" yet, but hopefully someday they will!
Are you kidding me? those are FANTASTIC my friend!!! Very Very professional and definitely up to "Evil Cable" standards!!! I'm impressed, and honestly, I'm so glad I started this thread to help those out there who didn't know how to do this.

Like many of you, I got fed up and frustrated with my cables looking like ASSS since they are all visible in my room and I was not about to pay BIG MONEY to get fancy cables. I personally think this is one of the best mods around for improving your esthetics in room...and yes it too me some time to figure all this out and where to get everything, but now that I have I'm happy to share that info with all of you!

Great Work!!!!!

Evil Cables....Listen to the Darkness!!!
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post #205 of 2773
1/24/11 at 9:45pm
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I haven't purchased any banana plugs yet, but I assembled the components I have so far. I used the 12ga monoprice CL2 with the 1/2" carbon colored flex with the knukonceptz ends. I made three cables for my L,C, & R speakers.

Album of photos.
Very Nice work!!! I would seriously consider getting either Banana's, Spades, or something to terminate those fancy looking cables! Great stuff guys! Keep It up!

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post #206 of 2773
1/24/11 at 10:12pm
Just a little hint for the people with the loose techflex, throw a heat gun or high powered hair dryer over over it. It really tightened up my 1/2 flex. I made 2 x 2 foot lengths for my surround speakers with kuzkoncepts wire pants and 12 gauge round cable. I also made some 4 footers with Canare S411 I had from a previous DIY wire. I got some of the nak bananas on the way and will post pics when they get here.
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post #207 of 2773
1/24/11 at 11:04pm
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Just a little hint for the people with the loose techflex, throw a heat gun or high powered hair dryer over over it. It really tightened up my 1/2 flex. I made 2 x 2 foot lengths for my surround speakers with kuzkoncepts wire pants and 12 gauge round cable. I also made some 4 footers with Canare S411 I had from a previous DIY wire. I got some of the nak bananas on the way and will post pics when they get here.
You can shrink the Tech Flex however, you really need to be careful as it will melt if over heated. Where did you order the Nakamichi plugs from? I've only found one website so far, that I posted, but that's it. I'm still looking to order some new plugs soon.
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post #208 of 2773
1/25/11 at 1:18am
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well..just ordered a bunch of these since the GLS ones are not available. I'll post my thoughts when I get them.

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post #209 of 2773
1/25/11 at 2:56am
Oh, yeah, one of the reasons why I didn't order the Nakamichi plugs aside from their higher price was that I wanted versions from which it is easy to swap the cable. The cheap ones I have allow that. For a more permanent attachment those Nakamichi ones should be quite nice.
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post #210 of 2773
1/25/11 at 3:02am
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Oh, yeah, one of the reasons why I didn't order the Nakamichi plugs aside from their higher price was that I wanted versions from which it is easy to swap the cable. The cheap ones I have allow that. For a more permanent attachment those Nakamichi ones should be quite nice.
Ya I'm looking forward to getting them. a pack of 50 (25red/25black) for $43.00 seemed pretty reasonable to me for price, and free shipping to boot!
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