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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

are you lazy? this is the diy thread LOL.. you can do it .. its ezzzzzzz

I am going to try to make my own.

if i can do it you can too LOL...

cheers..
post #2492 of 3533
Follow all the great details provided in this thread and you will be able to do it. I had doubts also but it is easier than you think. I am very happy with my first set and I am awaiting to do my next set. Go for it!
post #2493 of 3533
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Follow all the great details provided in this thread and you will be able to do it. I had doubts also but it is easier than you think. I am very happy with my first set and I am awaiting to do my next set. Go for it!

right on!!!

anybody know where i could buy cl10 awg.. ive read this has a way higher strand count which is much better cables acoustically.

the mono price cl12 awg is 65 strands.. the cl10 is like 295..

thanks..
post #2494 of 3533
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

right on!!!

anybody know where i could buy cl10 awg.. ive read this has a way higher strand count which is much better cables acoustically.

the mono price cl12 awg is 65 strands.. the cl10 is like 295..

thanks..

I am quite certain that you will not hear any difference between those two speaker wires. Don't fall for the advertising hype.
post #2495 of 3533
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

right on!!!

anybody know where i could buy cl10 awg.. ive read this has a way higher strand count which is much better cables acoustically.

the mono price cl12 awg is 65 strands.. the cl10 is like 295..

thanks..

Blue jeans sells the belden 10 gauge. That is what I used for my personal setup.
post #2496 of 3533
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

right on!!!

anybody know where i could buy cl10 awg.. ive read this has a way higher strand count which is much better cables acoustically.

the mono price cl12 awg is 65 strands.. the cl10 is like 295..

thanks..

I am quite certain that you will not hear any difference between those two speaker wires. Don't fall for the advertising hype.

i agree.. but just something to have .. just like amps speakers etc.. i got more strands than you!!!! lol... it cant hurt..
then you have to twist it and re twist it and twist again get that low inductance stuff happening eh ...

awg 1 5000 strands.

cheers..
post #2497 of 3533
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

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anybody know where i could buy cl10 awg.. ive read this has a way higher strand count which is much better cables acoustically.

the mono price cl12 awg is 65 strands.. the cl10 is like 295..

thanks..

It's not, but (assuming the insulation isn't stiffer) a higher strand count generally means greater flexibility (and less ability to hold a shape).
post #2498 of 3533
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anybody know where i could buy cl10 awg.. ive read this has a way higher strand count which is much better cables acoustically.

the mono price cl12 awg is 65 strands.. the cl10 is like 295..

thanks..

It's not, but (assuming the insulation isn't stiffer) a higher strand count generally means greater flexibility (and less ability to hold a shape).

its not what... ? lower gauge is better... higher strand count is better.. therefore its better...

cheers..
post #2499 of 3533
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

its not what... ? lower gauge is better... higher strand count is better.. therefore its better...

cheers..

Acoustically it doesn't make a difference, unless you're running cables way oversized for the application (say, 4 AWG for 5-watt speakers). I believe that's where inductance and capacitance can come into play. For audible frequencies, solid-core wire works fine; high-strand is just more flexible.
post #2500 of 3533
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

its not what... ?

The antecedent is clear from your previous post: "much better acoustically."
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

lower gauge is better...

No, provided the thinner wire is still adequate to the job. (For rule of thumb on "adequate," see the Russell wire charts.)

I would argue that thicker is actually worse all around: more expensive, less flexible (assuming same construction), harder to hide (because it's bulkier), no sonic difference.

Though for people whose primary concern with wires is that they look like garden hoses strewn about one's floor, then yes, lower gauge is indeed better.
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

higher strand count is better..

A more sophisticated discussion of the actual tradeoffs of higher strand-count wires may be found above. But to recap, assuming the insulation isn't stiffer, a higher strand count generally means greater flexibility combined with diminished ability to hold a shape.

Whether or not that tradeoff adds up to "better" is entirely a case-by-case determination.

Sonics is not a consideration, as it is not a variable that changes with strand count.
post #2501 of 3533
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

its not what... ?

The antecedent is clear from your previous post: "much better acoustically."
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

lower gauge is better...

No, provided the thinner wire is still adequate to the job. (For rule of thumb on "adequate," see the Russell wire charts.)

I would argue that thicker is actually worse all around: more expensive, less flexible (assuming same construction), harder to hide (because it's bulkier), no sonic difference.

Though for people whose primary concern with wires is that they look like garden hoses strewn about one's floor, then yes, lower gauge is indeed better.
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

higher strand count is better..

A more sophisticated discussion of the actual tradeoffs of higher strand-count wires may be found above. But to recap, assuming the insulation isn't stiffer, a higher strand count generally means greater flexibility combined with diminished ability to hold a shape.

Whether or not that tradeoff adds up to "better" is entirely a case-by-case determination.

Sonics is not a consideration, as it is not a variable that changes with strand count.

you should do some reading... using solid wire you would have a ton of skin effect.. the higher stand count lowers this effect.. you want stiff use solid 12 gauge house wire LOL.. versu having
413 strands at 36 gauge each for a 10awg cable.. would be much better available at part express.. its is constructed well!!! lots of flex.. may cables now are 65 strands 30 gauge each for a 12 awg cable
working very well..

in the audio store where i shop they use 10 awg with spade lugs to quickly set up a room with speakers.. i went there tonigh he said its was 295 strand cable.. good enough for most apps .. he said..

what cable you using?

cheers..
post #2502 of 3533
look look

some doubled up 12 awg 65/30 very flexible and stiff all at once.. great stuff...



cheers
post #2503 of 3533
Whats size techflex would fit over a braided cable (4 wires in the braid) with 12AWG monoprice cable (not in wall cable) ? Would 1/2'' fit?
What size pants too? And heatshrink size?
post #2504 of 3533
can u take a pic of your cable ^

i would think 1/2 atleast...

cheers..
post #2505 of 3533
I have yet to do it. Thats the reason I was planning for the supplies. Any idea on the sizes for the heat shrink and pants?
post #2506 of 3533
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Originally Posted by DS-21 View Post

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

its not what... ?

The antecedent is clear from your previous post: "much better acoustically."
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

lower gauge is better...

No, provided the thinner wire is still adequate to the job. (For rule of thumb on "adequate," see the Russell wire charts.)

I would argue that thicker is actually worse all around: more expensive, less flexible (assuming same construction), harder to hide (because it's bulkier), no sonic difference.

Though for people whose primary concern with wires is that they look like garden hoses strewn about one's floor, then yes, lower gauge is indeed better.
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

higher strand count is better..

A more sophisticated discussion of the actual tradeoffs of higher strand-count wires may be found above. But to recap, assuming the insulation isn't stiffer, a higher strand count generally means greater flexibility combined with diminished ability to hold a shape.

Whether or not that tradeoff adds up to "better" is entirely a case-by-case determination.

Sonics is not a consideration, as it is not a variable that changes with strand count.

here is a pic of some really nice cable not that expensive 10 awg 455 strand count...

with solid cable you are losing your high frequency notes thats the skin effect the high strand count improves that

the gauge makes for low resistance and a good quality cable for audio sound.. gauge and strand count.. its still smaller than a garden house to boot..

cheers.
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I have yet to do it. Thats the reason I was planning for the supplies. Any idea on the sizes for the heat shrink and pants?

note sure about the pants.. was looking into that recently as well. for bi wired 12 awg.. i had to cut the legs off.. in the pic above.. i think 1/2 flextech will cover not sure how difficult it will be to slide on
tho.. tape your ends.. if the wire is twisted well.. think not much trouble..thats why i wanted to see a pic... 5/8 heat shrink 3 to 1..

cheers
post #2508 of 3533
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Originally Posted by enthusiast8 View Post

I have yet to do it. Thats the reason I was planning for the supplies. Any idea on the sizes for the heat shrink and pants?

you could buy the quad in wall wire awg 14.. too...

or if you want the heavy gauge get 10 awg..

are you twisting it yourself for lower inductance?

cheers
post #2509 of 3533
Ya. Planning on braiding it. 4 strand 12awg would result in something around 10 awg.
Have any links for the techflex, heatshrink, pants (preferrably amazon, parts-express, want to avoid ebay for all intents and purposes)
Thanks for your help:)
post #2510 of 3533
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Originally Posted by enthusiast8 View Post

Ya. Planning on braiding it. 4 strand 12awg would result in something around 10 awg.
Have any links for the techflex, heatshrink, pants (preferrably amazon, parts-express, want to avoid ebay for all intents and purposes)
Thanks for your help:)

think might be getting down a bit lower than 10
not sure..

parts express.. ez to find there..

sorry no links..

i dont know where u get the pants to fit your cable in the legs..

let me know if you find some..

cheers..
post #2511 of 3533
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Originally Posted by enthusiast8 View Post

Whats size techflex would fit over a braided cable (4 wires in the braid) with 12AWG monoprice cable (not in wall cable) ? Would 1/2'' fit?
What size pants too? And heatshrink size?

I just finished up some 12awg 4 wire from monoprice. I used parts express 9.5 cable pants and that worked fine for me. I used 3/8 tech flex off off eBay. I'm not too sure what size heat shrink I used though- I bought a variety pack.

Hope this helps. I like this thread!
post #2512 of 3533
Thread Starter 
You guys...seriously if you want THICK cables go to an electrical supplier and buy 600volt 10x4 shielded cable. That's what I'm using now and it's insane for thickness...about 3/4". The only issue you might run into is that they are heavy so you'll need very strong bananas or spades. I braid two 10gauge together for a 2 strand pair of cables and my god are they thick!!! They look awesome and unlike anything that MonoPrice sells!!!
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Originally Posted by Pure-Evil View Post

You guys...seriously if you want THICK cables go to an electrical supplier and buy 600volt 10x4 shielded cable. That's what I'm using now and it's insane for thickness...about 3/4". The only issue you might run into is that they are heavy so you'll need very strong bananas or spades. I braid two 10gauge together for a 2 strand pair of cables and my god are they thick!!! They look awesome and unlike anything that MonoPrice sells!!!

Pics or didn't happen..............tongue.gif
post #2514 of 3533
Thread Starter 
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Pics or didn't happen..............tongue.gif



This lighter gives you an idea of just how thick these cables are.
post #2515 of 3533
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Originally Posted by Pure-Evil View Post

You guys...seriously if you want THICK cables go to an electrical supplier and buy 600volt 10x4 shielded cable. That's what I'm using now and it's insane for thickness...about 3/4". The only issue you might run into is that they are heavy so you'll need very strong bananas or spades. I braid two 10gauge together for a 2 strand pair of cables and my god are they thick!!! They look awesome and unlike anything that MonoPrice sells!!!

do you have any pics of the raw product and the braiding etc before you finished up the product..

how did you get that wire through the pant legs.. i have the 10 mm pants from parts express .. i could not get 2 braided 12 awg wire through the legs..

cool looking cables

cheers..
post #2516 of 3533
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Originally Posted by Pure-Evil View Post

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


This lighter gives you an idea of just how thick these cables are.


Thanks for posting those pics Pure!

Cool thing about the second cable is that if you don't like, then you can use it to power your dryer...........eek.gif

LOL!
post #2517 of 3533
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

you should do some reading... using solid wire you would have a ton of skin effect.. the higher stand count lowers this effect..

Incorrect. At least at audio frequencies. If we could hear into the megahertz, and our systems could reproduce those frequencies, you would have a point. But we can't, and they don't, so for audio-band frequencies skin effect is entirely irrelevant.

It is not I who needs to do some reading.
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you want stiff use solid 12 gauge house wire LOL..

Yes, that is stiff stuff.
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

what cable you using?

I use wire that is adequate to the job and meets my aesthetic concerns.
post #2518 of 3533
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

do you have any pics of the raw product and the braiding etc before you finished up the product..

how did you get that wire through the pant legs.. i have the 10 mm pants from parts express .. i could not get 2 braided 12 awg wire through the legs..

cool looking cables

cheers..

I don't have any raw cable here to take pictures of sorry. The cable pants are much larger ones from Knukoncepts
post #2519 of 3533
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Originally Posted by Pure-Evil View Post

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

do you have any pics of the raw product and the braiding etc before you finished up the product..

how did you get that wire through the pant legs.. i have the 10 mm pants from parts express .. i could not get 2 braided 12 awg wire through the legs..

cool looking cables

cheers..

I don't have any raw cable here to take pictures of sorry. The cable pants are much larger ones from Knukoncepts

thanks..
post #2520 of 3533
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Originally Posted by DS-21 View Post

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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

you should do some reading... using solid wire you would have a ton of skin effect.. the higher stand count lowers this effect..

Incorrect. At least at audio frequencies. If we could hear into the megahertz, and our systems could reproduce those frequencies, you would have a point. But we can't, and they don't, so for audio-band frequencies skin effect is entirely irrelevant.

It is not I who needs to do some reading.
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

you want stiff use solid 12 gauge house wire LOL..

Yes, that is stiff stuff.
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Originally Posted by deltadube View Post

what cable you using?

I use wire that is adequate to the job and meets my aesthetic concerns.

time to make some nice cables eh!!!!!!
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