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post #2851 of 3533
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Finally finished my cables for my rears.
Just make sure that you order techflex that is long enough.

Very nice job. I order mine by the 100ft'

Wow!!!

100 ft of teckflex.

Me I spend a few hundred bucks for a few feet (ordering 6 type of banana plugs, 3 different speaker cables and 4 different sleeve + 10 and 12mm cable pants).
3 ft (that you can see) speaker wire for a 40 ft run in-wall speaker wire at the most for the right one, 4 ft for the 30 for the center and maybe 2 or 2.5ft for the left speaker and also10 and 12 cable pants.

Most of mine is in-wall.
I am doing this for the few ft that show.

Ray
Edited by darthray - 10/26/13 at 12:55pm
post #2852 of 3533

I ordered my speaker wire, plugs, tech flex and boots tonight.  Hopefully everything will be here in the next week or so and I can show some completed pictures.

 

Most of my speaker runs are in the wall too.  For the wires that snake down behind the TV I am installing banana plugs on the end of the in-wall wires, and then connecting to a 2-gang 5.1 outlet box.  Then I am making custom cables to run from the new outlet box to the receiver.  Jumping up to the ceiling/walls where I have exposed wires I am simply putting banana pins on the wires and wrapping in tech flex.  Not much wire is exposed so I didn't know if a boot would be too much or not.

 

Here is the tech flex I chose....

 

post #2853 of 3533
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Originally Posted by nolimits76 View Post

I ordered my speaker wire, plugs, tech flex and boots tonight.  Hopefully everything will be here in the next week or so and I can show some completed pictures.

Most of my speaker runs are in the wall too.  For the wires that snake down behind the TV I am installing banana plugs on the end of the in-wall wires, and then connecting to a 2-gang 5.1 outlet box.  Then I am making custom cables to run from the new outlet box to the receiver.  Jumping up to the ceiling/walls where I have exposed wires I am simply putting banana pins on the wires and wrapping in tech flex.  Not much wire is exposed so I didn't know if a boot would be too much or not.

Here is the tech flex I chose....



I used the same one. I still wish I should of chose the rattlesnake one. Oh well.
post #2854 of 3533
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Anyone?

I also forgot to mention, I will try to put some electric tape to hold the sleeve inside the cable pants.
Another option is to bring the sleeve flush to the cable pants and hold them together with some heat shrink (1/2 in on the pants and 3/4 on the sleeve).

I would appreciate any opinion on this.

Ray

Wish I can help you here, but I'm not familiar with that specific cable. I used for my speaker wires the MonoPrice 12AWG speaker cable (in-wall installation). So, I cannot provide input here.

One thing that I can tell you is the Parts Express cable pants are very flexible and they expand a bit, so if you are careful and with patience you should be able to make the wire + the sleeve to fit in. As you described I secured the sleeve to the wire using electric tape. I secure one end first and they I gently push the sleeve in the opposite direction, so the sleeve is not going to be loose (if needed I cut the techflex excess at the other end) and I finally apply electric tape to secure the other end.

That of course also helps the techflex to get inside the cable pants without major effort. I do agree with you and worst case scenario you can use heat shrink tubing, but I will still recommend to apply electric tape first and then you can finish it with heat shrink tubing (avoid the thread of the techflex to be visible when the tubing is shrinked).

Sorry, I cannot help more.

Another big thanks.

You were a big help.
My speaker wires with the new sleeve fit in a 10mm cable pants quit easily with or without the cable been tape.My new speaker wire from KnuKoncptz is very similar to the Monoprice one, the only big difference is it is perfectly round and slightly bigger, and you cannot see the hint of twist.

The part of the sleeve inside the wall is not a big deal since heat shrink is cheap and I can use a good lenght of it.
My only difficult part is where it would go into the cable pant.
So far, I have try cutting with scissor (it fray and fall apart very fast) and a hot knife (seal the the end too good and then you have to re-open it, than start to fray).
There must be a way to cut and keep the fraying to a minimum!?

So since I got lots of time to experement I ordered another color http://www.avoutlet.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=5156
Me bad, but I only got one shot at it.

Everythings else is coming toghether and will post picture of the full cable and the few feets coming off the wall with the new wall plates.

Ray
Edited by darthray - 10/24/13 at 6:24pm
post #2855 of 3533
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Originally Posted by darthray View Post

Another big thanks.

You were a big help.
My speaker wires with the new sleeve fit in a 10mm cable pants quit easily with or without the cable been tape.My new speaker wire from KnuKoncptz is very similar to the Monoprice one, the only big difference is it is perfectly round and slightly bigger, and you cannot see the hint of twist.

The part of the sleeve inside the wall is not a big deal since heat shrink is cheap and I can use a good lenght of it.
My only difficult part is where it would go into the cable pant.
So far, I have try cutting with scissor (it fray and fall apart very fast) and a hot knife (seal the the end too good and then you have to re-open it, than start to fray).
There must be a way to cut and keep the fraying to a minimum!?

So since I got lots of time to experement I ordered another color http://www.avoutlet.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=5156
Me bad, but I only got one shot at it.

Everythings else is coming toghether and will post picture of the full cable and the few feets coming off the wall with the new wall plates.

Ray

Ray,

I'm assuming the issue you have with the sleeve fitting inside the cable pants is due to the sleeve will expand when you try to push it inside the cable pants, what I did was just applied electric tape at the end of the sleeve and the speaker wire. So, the sleeve will be taped to the speaker wire and the end of the sleeve will not expand and then you can easy push it inside the cable pant.

Does this make sense?

You are almost there my friend, and I'm really looking forward to see your first speaker wires.
post #2856 of 3533

This thread is good...up until now I bought heavy gauge wire and put the wire in auto conduit.....which looked pretty good, and cost nothing......

 

Now I have to try this...

post #2857 of 3533
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Originally Posted by deafear View Post

This thread is good...up until now I bought heavy gauge wire and put the wire in auto conduit.....which looked pretty good, and cost nothing......

Now I have to try this...

Welcome to the party!

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post #2858 of 3533

haha...thanks...it's been good....

post #2859 of 3533

I just looked at your gallery...holy cow......

post #2860 of 3533
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

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Originally Posted by darthray View Post

Another big thanks.

You were a big help.
My speaker wires with the new sleeve fit in a 10mm cable pants quit easily with or without the cable been tape.My new speaker wire from KnuKoncptz is very similar to the Monoprice one, the only big difference is it is perfectly round and slightly bigger, and you cannot see the hint of twist.

The part of the sleeve inside the wall is not a big deal since heat shrink is cheap and I can use a good lenght of it.
My only difficult part is where it would go into the cable pant.
So far, I have try cutting with scissor (it fray and fall apart very fast) and a hot knife (seal the the end too good and then you have to re-open it, than start to fray).
There must be a way to cut and keep the fraying to a minimum!?

So since I got lots of time to experement I ordered another color http://www.avoutlet.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=5156
Me bad, but I only got one shot at it.

Everythings else is coming toghether and will post picture of the full cable and the few feets coming off the wall with the new wall plates.

Ray

Ray,

I'm assuming the issue you have with the sleeve fitting inside the cable pants is due to the sleeve will expand when you try to push it inside the cable pants, what I did was just applied electric tape at the end of the sleeve and the speaker wire. So, the sleeve will be taped to the speaker wire and the end of the sleeve will not expand and then you can easy push it inside the cable pant.

Does this make sense?

You are almost there my friend, and I'm really looking forward to see your first speaker wires.

Thanks, yes it does make sence.
Since I got to wait anogher week for the new sleeve, I will try a little experement this week-end.
I will start to insert some sleeve on the wire, just a few inches and where it not fray, I will apply some Ketone or Acetone aroud the sleeve and give it time to dry.
Then I will remove the sleeve and cut it where the Acetone or ketone is with scissor since this stuff (not with a heat knife since it is flammable) kind of melt a little bit the sleeve material and see how it work since that part would alredy been stretch to the wire size.
I will post how it did work.

Ray
Edited by darthray - 10/26/13 at 12:59pm
post #2861 of 3533
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Originally Posted by deafear View Post

I just looked at your gallery...holy cow......

Thanks man. Speaking of which............I need to update the pics at that gallery.......wink.gif
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Originally Posted by darthray View Post

Thanks, yes it does make sence.
Since I got to wait anogher week for the new sleeve, I will try a little experement this week-end.
I will start to insert some sleeve on the wire, just a few inches and where it not fray, I will apply some Ketone or Acetone aroud the sleeve and give it time to dry.
Then I will remove the sleeve and cut it where the Acetone or ketone is with scissor since this stuff (not with aheat knife since it is flammable) kind of melt a little bit the sleeve material and see how it work since that part would alredy been stretch to the wire size.
I will post how it did work.

Ray

Yes, please post some pics. I guess the reason you are having a bit of extra work is the fact that we used different materials (I'm specifically talking about the sleeve).

But, it seems like you have a solid action plan and I can't wait to have a look at first prototype.

Cheers!
post #2862 of 3533
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

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Originally Posted by deafear View Post

I just looked at your gallery...holy cow......

Thanks man. Speaking of which............I need to update the pics at that gallery.......wink.gif
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Originally Posted by darthray View Post

Thanks, yes it does make sence.
Since I got to wait anogher week for the new sleeve, I will try a little experement this week-end.
I will start to insert some sleeve on the wire, just a few inches and where it not fray, I will apply some Ketone or Acetone aroud the sleeve and give it time to dry.
Then I will remove the sleeve and cut it where the Acetone or ketone is with scissor since this stuff (not with aheat knife since it is flammable) kind of melt a little bit the sleeve material and see how it work since that part would alredy been stretch to the wire size.
I will post how it did work.

Ray

Yes, please post some pics. I guess the reason you are having a bit of extra work is the fact that we used different materials (I'm specifically talking about the sleeve).

But, it seems like you have a solid action plan and I can't wait to have a look at first prototype.

Cheers!

You also beat me to my edit.

What i did meant was, I will use the trick of electric tape for the cable pants end and see how the Acetone or Ketone work for the end that you have to feed through the the speaker wire, the less it would fray, the better (finish wit heat shrink).

And for the pics.
I will post some, but it will only be finish at one end and for the few feets going inside the the wall.
The other end will be un-finish since it will be inside the furnace room (in-wall pre-amp, amp and blu-ray player).

Just want a nice cable to match the look of my aperion Verus Grand with my Soundocity speaker riggers.
At this point, it is a look thing, not a sound thing.
And this thread provided just that. People with different equipment and budget that just want to make their system look like a million bucks.
Why? because we care about audio when others don't and we all try to help each other around here.

P.S. cannot wait to get my new sleeve and get it done!

Ray
post #2863 of 3533
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Originally Posted by deafear View Post
 

I just looked at your gallery...holy cow......

This made me look, very nice....  5.2 music must be intense in there, lol...

post #2864 of 3533
There must be a way to cut and keep the fraying to a minimum!?

Since I got to wait anogher week for the new sleeve, I will try a little experement this week-end.
I will start to insert some sleeve on the wire, just a few inches and where it not fray, I will apply some Ketone or Acetone aroud the sleeve and give it time to dry.
Then I will remove the sleeve and cut it where the Acetone or ketone is with scissor since this stuff (not with aheat knife since it is flammable) kind of melt a little bit the sleeve material and see how it work since that part would alredy been stretch to the wire size.
I will post how it did work.

Ray[/quote]

I quoted myself so other understand what I am talking about.

First I could not find Acetone or Ketone locally.
So I decided to try clear woman nail polish.
I put first a few inches of sleeve over the speaker wire and applied some nail polish around the sleeve before the fray happened,
let it dry for 10 minutes,
remove the sleeve,
and cut with scissor over the nail polish.

And the result is;
It work perfectly as long your are carefull re-inserting the sleeve over the wire.

I am going to use this for the part of the sleeve that snake along the wire and use the electric tape trick for the part that will go inside the cable sleeve.

Ray
post #2865 of 3533
I just roll the techflex with electrical tape and cut it. Problem solve and you don't have to wait wink.gif. The only issues I've been having is not being able to cut the correct length since the length will be different without and with speaker cable.
post #2866 of 3533
I just roll the techflex with electrical tape and cut it. Problem solve and you don't have to wait wink.gif. The only issues I've been having is not being able to cut the correct length since the length will be different without and with speaker cable.[/quote]

Thank you!

I will also try this and see what work better.
Or a combination of both.
Sometime, I just like to think outside the box.

After all, that end will inside the wall with some heat shrink to make sure it will not move.

Best regard and thanks for the tip.

Ray
Edited by darthray - 10/26/13 at 7:44pm
post #2867 of 3533
Sorry GusGus748s

Somehow, I did erase your start of the quote when I was trying to post a couple pics.


The left top one is what I did with the nail finish, and the right top one is with nothing.
Just wanted to show how clean the cut is with the nail finish.

I must apolagize for the right picture been so fluey, I got very bad shackes sinces the Golf War back in 1991.

P.S. what banana plugs you guys like better for look?

Ray
Edited by darthray - 10/26/13 at 8:01pm
post #2868 of 3533
^^^

Impressive!!!!

Nice job man and thanks for sharing the tip using clear nail finish to have a clean cut and more important to avoid fray.

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post #2869 of 3533
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Originally Posted by darthray View Post

Sorry GusGus748s

Somehow, I did erase your start of the quote when I was trying to post a couple pics.


The left top one is what I did with the nail finish, and the right top one is with nothing.
Just wanted to show how clean the cut is with the nail finish.

I must apolagize for the right picture been so fluey, I got very bad shackes sinces the Golf War back in 1991.

P.S. what banana plugs you guys like better for look?

Ray

I use Sewell Deadbolt banana plugs.
post #2870 of 3533
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

^^^

Impressive!!!!

Nice job man and thanks for sharing the tip using clear nail finish to have a clean cut and more important to avoid fray.

cool.gif

Thanks, it does work very good but you still have to be carefull when re-inserting the sleeve over the speaker cable because I dont think it would stop fray when started.
But then again if the nail polish is applied for a longer distance, 1 inch perhaps it would hold better.

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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

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Originally Posted by darthray View Post

Sorry GusGus748s

Somehow, I did erase your start of the quote when I was trying to post a couple pics.


The left top one is what I did with the nail finish, and the right top one is with nothing.
Just wanted to show how clean the cut is with the nail finish.

I must apolagize for the right picture been so fluey, I got very bad shackes sinces the Golf War back in 1991.

P.S. what banana plugs you guys like better for look?

Ray

I use Sewell Deadbolt banana plugs.

Thanks for your opinion, I am slill debating between the 2 plugs for look wise as they both hold the 12 AWG wire very good.

Ray
post #2871 of 3533
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

I just roll the techflex with electrical tape and cut it. Problem solve and you don't have to wait wink.gif. The only issues I've been having is not being able to cut the correct length since the length will be different without and with speaker cable.

I did my project with 100' roll of Monoprice 12/4 and 100' of techflex.

After cutting the cable to length, I slide the uncut techflex over and the length of the cable and finish one end. Then I'm able to pull the flex tight over the cable to the unfinished end. When I'm at my desired flex coverage, I cut it with a razor blade, reconstrict the flex down on the cable and tape it in place and then finish it off.
post #2872 of 3533
I would like more opinion from you guys

the sewell deat bolt or the sewell pro-maestro

http://www.amazon.ca/Sewell-Deadbolt-Banana-Fast-Lock-Technology/dp/B006U3O566/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1382917393&sr=8-1&keywords=sewell+banana+plugs

http://www.amazon.ca/Sewell-Maestro-Banana-Connectors-Pairs-12/dp/B004CM4A58/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1382917393&sr=8-5&keywords=sewell+banana+plugs

Pro and cons of each

The Deat bolt
the Good is more shorter and tighter and longer pants on the pants pant.
the Bad is the 10mm sleeve is a little bit loose and will not fit into the 11mm PE cable pants and the sleeve is also little loose inside the cable pants.

The PRO-meastro
the Goods is much easier to insert inside the speaker banana jack, have a nice shiny look.
Also fit perfectly tight inside the 10mm cable pants and the sleeve fit very nice and tight inside the sleeve.
the Bad Longer than the dead bolt and also shoter pants for the cable pants.

I am kind of leaning toward the Pro-Maestro with the 10mm cable pants but see attach link,
the aperion banana jack Do stick out a liitle bit.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/772081/the-official-aperion-thread/6750 (look at the right for recent picture, if it is still there)

I still have a week before my new sleeve are here and I would more than welcome any opinion, the more the better.

Thanks

Ray
Edited by darthray - 10/27/13 at 6:01pm
post #2873 of 3533
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Originally Posted by darthray View Post

I would like more opinion from you guys

the sewell deat bolt or the sewell pro-maestro

http://www.amazon.ca/Sewell-Deadbolt-Banana-Fast-Lock-Technology/dp/B006U3O566/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1382917393&sr=8-1&keywords=sewell+banana+plugs

http://www.amazon.ca/Sewell-Maestro-Banana-Connectors-Pairs-12/dp/B004CM4A58/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1382917393&sr=8-5&keywords=sewell+banana+plugs

Pro and cons of each

The Deat bolt
the Good is more shorter and tighter and longer pants on the pants pant.
the Bad is the 10mm sleeve is a little bit loose and will not fit into the 11mm PE cable pants and the sleeve is also little loose inside the cable pants.

The PRO-meastro
the Goods is much easier to insert inside the speaker banana jack, have a nice shiny look.
Also fit perfectly tight inside the 10mm cable pants and the sleeve fit very nice and tight inside the sleeve.
the Bad Longer than the dead bolt and also shoter pants for the cable pants.

I am kind of leaning toward the Pro-Maestro with the 10mm cable pants but see attach link,
the aperion banana jack Do stick out a liitle bit.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/772081/the-official-aperion-thread/6750 (look at the right for recent picture, if it is still there)

I still have a week before my new sleeve are here and I would more than welcome any opinion, the more the better.

Thanks

Ray


Let me vote with a couple pics:



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Oh, and if you want them shorter you can do it too............wink.gif


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post #2874 of 3533
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

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Originally Posted by darthray View Post

I would like more opinion from you guys

the sewell deat bolt or the sewell pro-maestro

http://www.amazon.ca/Sewell-Deadbolt-Banana-Fast-Lock-Technology/dp/B006U3O566/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1382917393&sr=8-1&keywords=sewell+banana+plugs

http://www.amazon.ca/Sewell-Maestro-Banana-Connectors-Pairs-12/dp/B004CM4A58/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1382917393&sr=8-5&keywords=sewell+banana+plugs

Pro and cons of each

The Deat bolt
the Good is more shorter and tighter and longer pants on the pants pant.
the Bad is the 10mm sleeve is a little bit loose and will not fit into the 11mm PE cable pants and the sleeve is also little loose inside the cable pants.

The PRO-meastro
the Goods is much easier to insert inside the speaker banana jack, have a nice shiny look.
Also fit perfectly tight inside the 10mm cable pants and the sleeve fit very nice and tight inside the sleeve.
the Bad Longer than the dead bolt and also shoter pants for the cable pants.

I am kind of leaning toward the Pro-Maestro with the 10mm cable pants but see attach link,
the aperion banana jack Do stick out a liitle bit.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/772081/the-official-aperion-thread/6750 (look at the right for recent picture, if it is still there)

I still have a week before my new sleeve are here and I would more than welcome any opinion, the more the better.

Thanks

Ray


Let me vote with a couple pics:



Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
CREATOR: gd-jpeg v1.0 (using IJG JPEG v62), default quality


Oh, and if you want them shorter you can do it too............wink.gif


Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


Man!

Now the choice are even harder! I do like those shiny short one,
like the look (how are they for holding the cable, 12awg for my situation?).
What kind are they and do you have a link?

I am willing to wait longer to it right for my project.
I already got 6 differents sleeve, 6 type of banana plugs, 3 differents speakers cable and 2 cable pants.

Ray

So at this point another set of banana plugs is not a big deal.
post #2875 of 3533
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Originally Posted by darthray View Post

Man!

Now the choice are even harder! I do like those shiny short one,
like the look (how are they for holding the cable, 12awg for my situation?).
What kind are they and do you have a link?

I am willing to wait longer to it right for my project.
I already got 6 differents sleeve, 6 type of banana plugs, 3 differents speakers cable and 2 cable pants.

Ray

So at this point another set of banana plugs is not a big deal.

Wow, you got a library of different banana plugs. I may need to look into these short ones as well. My next project is going to be building a rack like Salamander Design's Synergy System.

Ken
post #2876 of 3533
Emotiva bananas are sexy!! Too bad they are impossible to find
post #2877 of 3533
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Originally Posted by darthray View Post

Man!

Now the choice are even harder! I do like those shiny short one,
like the look (how are they for holding the cable, 12awg for my situation?).
What kind are they and do you have a link?

Ray,

They are the same Sewell Pro Maestro banana plugs. They have actually 3 pieces (tip, middle body and bottom). I just removed the middle body and put together the tip and the bottom...........tongue.gif

Yes, they are fully functional that way, the screw to lock the speaker wire is on the tip, so you can still lock it without problem. Moreover, the cable pant (10mm) will still have enough room / space at the bottom of the banana plug to fit inside and it will give you a nice and clean finish.....just like the Doctor recommend!

Here are some pics to provide further details on what I'm trying to say:
















I hope this helps!
Edited by cr136124 - 10/29/13 at 6:27pm
post #2878 of 3533
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

Emotiva bananas are sexy!! Too bad they are impossible to find

Well, I can sell you the ones that I have at home, it will only cost you a XV15..................tongue.gif
post #2879 of 3533
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

Well, I can sell you the ones that I have at home, it will only cost you a XV15..................tongue.gif
Not cool. Just not....cool

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post #2880 of 3533
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

Not cool. Just not....cool

wink.gif

I know, I know....... I should have asked for more. But, we are friends and therefore, I just didn't want to force you to give me more stuff. But, if you insist, then ship me that XPA-5 you are not using anymore as well..........eek.gif

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