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post #2911 of 3537
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Originally Posted by Josh Bolton View Post

My small contribution to the forum:
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When I get a few extra minutes I will post some tips and techniques you can use to make sleeving a little easier.

JB

Can you ship them to my place this Monday?





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Congrats.........they look pretty cool!
post #2912 of 3537
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Originally Posted by Josh Bolton View Post

My small contribution to the forum:











When I get a few extra minutes I will post some tips and techniques you can use to make sleeving a little easier.

JB

Please do!
this is beautiful work!
Also where you got your sleeve.

Ray
post #2913 of 3537
Absolutly stunning. I need some custom ones since the emo xpa1's + and - terminals are so far apart
post #2914 of 3537
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Originally Posted by darthray View Post

Please do!
this is beautiful work!
Also where you got your sleeve.

Ray

Thanks guys I appreciate it. These were made to order for a customer here locally, I hope he likes them!

The 3/8" sleeving was purchased here: http://www.avoutlet.com/index.php?subcats=Y&status=A&pshort=Y&pfull=Y&pname=Y&pkeywords=Y&search_performed=Y&q=viablue+sleeve&dispatch=products.search

It's works just fine, just not my favorite sleeving.

My favorite (and the smaller diameter sleeve) was purchased here: http://en.mdpc-x.com/mdpc-sleeve/sleeve.htm

So a few tricks.

For the guys having issues with the sleeving fraying after you've cut it, take a lighter and hold the flame 1/8" to 1/4" and move the flame back and forth along the edges of the cut. The nylon part with start to melt and roll backwards (the fabric part interwoven in, like in my 3/8" sleeving with burn so be careful. If you do it right the entire cut will melt along the edges, set the lighter down and use your thumb and index finger to slide over the edges to prevent them from balling up (once you try this you'll understand).
Once you have it down, you'll be able to make the edges look like a hot knife cut them.
Also be careful that you don't burn yourself, sometimes if you hold the flame too close and then touch the sleeve molten nylon with stick to your hands. Eventually you get the right flame method and you don't feel anything.

It's the right way to do it (sans hot knife) and you don't have to worry about glue or tape or anything crazy like that.

I always use heatshirnk for every piece of sleeving to make sure everything holds tight.

The real key to everything looking professional is to make sure that once the sleeve in on your cable that you stretch it out as tight as possible.

This serves two functions.

1. The tighter the sleeve the less chance of the cable color seeping through.
2. Cables have a different feel when you grab them if the sleeving is pulled extremely tight. The cable feels solid and can actually be bent and hold a shape on smaller diameter cables.

And finally I always try to have the correct tools for the job if possible.

I have scissors from a fabric store that are only used to cut sleeving.
I always have 4 to 6 small spring clamps to hold cables and sleeve in place while I'm working. Try to have a heatgun ready to go for the heatshrink (Ihave been using the same $5 heatgun from harbor freight for over 5 years!)

And finally: Take you time. Sleeving can be really irritating. But some people actually can get super relaxed. Either way just take you time and have fun, it's totally worth doing something over to make the final project that much better.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask here or PM, I'd be happy to help!

JB
post #2915 of 3537
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

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Originally Posted by darthray View Post

I would like more opinion from you guys

the sewell deat bolt or the sewell pro-maestro

http://www.amazon.ca/Sewell-Deadbolt-Banana-Fast-Lock-Technology/dp/B006U3O566/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1382917393&sr=8-1&keywords=sewell+banana+plugs

http://www.amazon.ca/Sewell-Maestro-Banana-Connectors-Pairs-12/dp/B004CM4A58/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1382917393&sr=8-5&keywords=sewell+banana+plugs

Pro and cons of each

The Deat bolt
the Good is more shorter and tighter and longer pants on the pants pant.
the Bad is the 10mm sleeve is a little bit loose and will not fit into the 11mm PE cable pants and the sleeve is also little loose inside the cable pants.

The PRO-meastro
the Goods is much easier to insert inside the speaker banana jack, have a nice shiny look.
Also fit perfectly tight inside the 10mm cable pants and the sleeve fit very nice and tight inside the sleeve.
the Bad Longer than the dead bolt and also shoter pants for the cable pants.

I am kind of leaning toward the Pro-Maestro with the 10mm cable pants but see attach link,
the aperion banana jack Do stick out a liitle bit.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/772081/the-official-aperion-thread/6750 (look at the right for recent picture, if it is still there)

I still have a week before my new sleeve are here and I would more than welcome any opinion, the more the better.

Thanks

Ray


Let me vote with a couple pics:



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Oh, and if you want them shorter you can do it too............wink.gif


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Too funny, I look for shortest one all over the net.
After looking at the picture again, I finally understood what you meant by "you want them shorter you can do it too" same plug just by-pass the middle one rolleyes.gif

The other funny thing, I just finish wiring the cables inside the wall and the whole project is finally complete.
That took 6 hours just for a few feet of sleeve to be visible. But the end result is worth-it smile.gif

I will post a few pics in a week or two.
The gloss finish on the speaker are full of smudge and finger prints, I will need to shine them-up first and find my tripod for the pictures and also do a new calibration with the Andyssey first.


Ray
post #2916 of 3537
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Originally Posted by Josh Bolton View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by darthray View Post

Please do!
this is beautiful work!
Also where you got your sleeve.

Ray

Thanks guys I appreciate it. These were made to order for a customer here locally, I hope he likes them!

The 3/8" sleeving was purchased here: http://www.avoutlet.com/index.php?subcats=Y&status=A&pshort=Y&pfull=Y&pname=Y&pkeywords=Y&search_performed=Y&q=viablue+sleeve&dispatch=products.search

It's works just fine, just not my favorite sleeving.

My favorite (and the smaller diameter sleeve) was purchased here: http://en.mdpc-x.com/mdpc-sleeve/sleeve.htm

So a few tricks.

For the guys having issues with the sleeving fraying after you've cut it, take a lighter and hold the flame 1/8" to 1/4" and move the flame back and forth along the edges of the cut. The nylon part with start to melt and roll backwards (the fabric part interwoven in, like in my 3/8" sleeving with burn so be careful. If you do it right the entire cut will melt along the edges, set the lighter down and use your thumb and index finger to slide over the edges to prevent them from balling up (once you try this you'll understand).
Once you have it down, you'll be able to make the edges look like a hot knife cut them.
Also be careful that you don't burn yourself, sometimes if you hold the flame too close and then touch the sleeve molten nylon with stick to your hands. Eventually you get the right flame method and you don't feel anything.

It's the right way to do it (sans hot knife) and you don't have to worry about glue or tape or anything crazy like that.

I always use heatshirnk for every piece of sleeving to make sure everything holds tight.

The real key to everything looking professional is to make sure that once the sleeve in on your cable that you stretch it out as tight as possible.

This serves two functions.

1. The tighter the sleeve the less chance of the cable color seeping through.
2. Cables have a different feel when you grab them if the sleeving is pulled extremely tight. The cable feels solid and can actually be bent and hold a shape on smaller diameter cables.

And finally I always try to have the correct tools for the job if possible.

I have scissors from a fabric store that are only used to cut sleeving.
I always have 4 to 6 small spring clamps to hold cables and sleeve in place while I'm working. Try to have a heatgun ready to go for the heatshrink (Ihave been using the same $5 heatgun from harbor freight for over 5 years!)

And finally: Take you time. Sleeving can be really irritating. But some people actually can get super relaxed. Either way just take you time and have fun, it's totally worth doing something over to make the final project that much better.

If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask here or PM, I'd be happy to help!

JB

Thanks for sharing your tips with the community.
I also use the sleeve from AVoutlet and the same Sewell banana plug and do like them.

Ray
Edited by darthray - 11/11/13 at 7:01pm
post #2917 of 3537
Looking for some opinions on cables. I'm getting ready to make a couple of runs and I plan on using 10awg. I have it narrowed down to; BJC, Douglasconnection and KnuKonceptz Karma.
post #2918 of 3537
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Originally Posted by Geoff4RFC View Post

Looking for some opinions on cables. I'm getting ready to make a couple of runs and I plan on using 10awg. I have it narrowed down to; BJC, Douglasconnection and KnuKonceptz Karma.

I did bought 100ft of the BJC 10awg ( I really like their products) but did not like the twisted look once inside the sleeve.
The KnuKoncept Karma have the same twisted look and cannot comment on the Douglasconnection one.

So I went with this http://www.knukonceptz.com/productDetail.cfm?prodID=KL3-122-100 also available in 10awg.

I gave up on the 10awg due to banana plugs but I read a few time the BJC locking one work very good with that size of wire.
I just did not want to use locking type ones.

Ray
Edited by darthray - 11/17/13 at 12:58pm
post #2919 of 3537
Hey guys, quick question....I'm sure this has been asked/answered but i couldn't seem to find it skimming thru all the pages.....i'm using white cl2 14gauge wire from monoprice & was wondering what size cable pants i would need from either PE or KnuKonceptz.

Thanks so much guys!!!!
Carmine.
post #2920 of 3537
I used KnuKonceptz 12 gage cable pants for the monoprice cl2 14 gage wire.
Not sure about Parts Express.
post #2921 of 3537
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Originally Posted by Josh Bolton View Post

My small contribution to the forum:











When I get a few extra minutes I will post some tips and techniques you can use to make sleeving a little easier.

JB

Really nice.
Edited by GusGus748s - 11/19/13 at 9:06pm
post #2922 of 3537
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Originally Posted by ski2slow View Post

I used KnuKonceptz 12 gage cable pants for the monoprice cl2 14 gage wire.
Not sure about Parts Express.

Thanks very much Ski....
Carmine
post #2923 of 3537
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Originally Posted by Josh Bolton View Post

My small contribution to the forum:




When I get a few extra minutes I will post some tips and techniques you can use to make sleeving a little easier.

JB

I hope you don't mind, but I am copying this exact style for my first self made cables (for myself). Excellent job and execution, just looks amazing. I will be doing 5 cable and can't wait to get shipments from MDPC and AVOutlet.

I have a question, what options are available for sleeving smaller OD cable using a splitter like the ViaBlue in the picture? For the 11 AWG cables in the pic, those splitters work well... but I can't find anything that would be the same thing just a smaller scale. I am thinking I will just have to use heat shrink, but am hoping there are similar splitters our there that have a smaller inner diameter (~8mm).
post #2924 of 3537
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Originally Posted by ski2slow View Post

I used KnuKonceptz 12 gage cable pants for the monoprice cl2 14 gage wire.
Not sure about Parts Express.
10-11mm
post #2925 of 3537
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Originally Posted by nehmia View Post

I hope you don't mind, but I am copying this exact style for my first self made cables (for myself). Excellent job and execution, just looks amazing. I will be doing 5 cable and can't wait to get shipments from MDPC and AVOutlet.

I have a question, what options are available for sleeving smaller OD cable using a splitter like the ViaBlue in the picture? For the 11 AWG cables in the pic, those splitters work well... but I can't find anything that would be the same thing just a smaller scale. I am thinking I will just have to use heat shrink, but am hoping there are similar splitters our there that have a smaller inner diameter (~8mm).




Or make your own splitters with different size cable "skirts"

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post #2926 of 3537
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Do you have part number or sources for the last two of the above?
post #2927 of 3537
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Originally Posted by nehmia View Post

Do you have part number or sources for the last two of the above?

no sorry.

those were from a quick google search. There might be more out there, but I have never sourced them out because I haven't ever had the need for them.
post #2928 of 3537
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Or make your own splitters with different size cable "skirts"

DSC00781.jpg
DSC03486.jpg

where do you purchase these splitters
post #2929 of 3537
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

where do you purchase these splitters

the first one from av outlet
second and third are from google searches and I think ebay.

the last two I made myself back in the day.
post #2930 of 3537
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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

the first one from av outlet
second and third are from google searches and I think ebay.

the last two I made myself back in the day.

awesome thanks!!..and what were the two sizes of tech flex you used? from the 1 in...to the 4 out?

thanks in advance...this will work perfectly for my application since I have emotiva mono blocks and the binding posts are so far apart.
post #2931 of 3537
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Originally Posted by Brian Fineberg View Post

awesome thanks!!..and what were the two sizes of tech flex you used? from the 1 in...to the 4 out?

thanks in advance...this will work perfectly for my application since I have emotiva mono blocks and the binding posts are so far apart.

the first set was 10 gauge BJC speaker wire. 3/8 over main part, and 1/4 I think for single cable.

the second cable was 14/4. 3/8 black and I used parts express pants 9.5mm or 10mm. I forget, been so long ago. the other ends were twisted together and I put 1/4 matte shrink over them. the pants were cut into skirts and I think those were 10-11mm pants.

I remember using a lot of 10mm pants on 14gauge up to 12 gauge wire. 14/4, 14/2, 12/2. 12/4 will need a lot bigger pants.
post #2932 of 3537
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Originally Posted by nezff View Post

the first set was 10 gauge BJC speaker wire. 3/8 over main part, and 1/4 I think for single cable.

the second cable was 14/4. 3/8 black and I used parts express pants 9.5mm or 10mm. I forget, been so long ago. the other ends were twisted together and I put 1/4 matte shrink over them. the pants were cut into skirts and I think those were 10-11mm pants.

I remember using a lot of 10mm pants on 14gauge up to 12 gauge wire. 14/4, 14/2, 12/2. 12/4 will need a lot bigger pants.

thank you!
post #2933 of 3537
Does anyone know where I can find round flexible speaker cable at reasonable price? I preferred 8mm-12mm in overall cable size, 12-14awg wire, 2-4 conductors and in black or white color. I need to build several speaker cables for a friend.
He likes the size and look of my cable, but he preferred white or black.
lh8uQf
post #2934 of 3537
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Originally Posted by craigbrower View Post

Does anyone know where I can find round flexible speaker cable at reasonable price? I preferred 8mm-12mm in overall cable size, 12-14awg wire, 2-4 conductors and in black or white color. I need to build several speaker cables for a friend.
He likes the size and look of my cable, but he preferred white or black.
lh8uQf

monoprice?
post #2935 of 3537
from hong kong




From Germany

Edited by nezff - 11/22/13 at 8:30am
post #2936 of 3537
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Originally Posted by craigbrower View Post

Does anyone know where I can find round flexible speaker cable at reasonable price? I preferred 8mm-12mm in overall cable size, 12-14awg wire, 2-4 conductors and in black or white color. I need to build several speaker cables for a friend.
He likes the size and look of my cable, but he preferred white or black.
lh8uQf

Check out BJC, where I placed my recent order for a quad cable. Scroll down to the first table and its the last option: Canare 4S11 (Star Quad cable, 14 AWG)

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/

For specifications, see here:

http://www.canare.com/ProductItemDisplay.aspx?productItemID=65
post #2937 of 3537
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Originally Posted by nehmia View Post

Check out BJC, where I placed my recent order for a quad cable. Scroll down to the first table and its the last option: Canare 4S11 (Star Quad cable, 14 AWG)

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/

For specifications, see here:

http://www.canare.com/ProductItemDisplay.aspx?productItemID=65

the canare cable is very nice and flexible. Only reason I never used it was because it wasn't rated for in-wall use. so be careful if that is your plan
post #2938 of 3537
stainless steel ones. pretty mean looking.

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post #2939 of 3537
Wow, shiny! The cables that Josh Bolton made a page back was the first time I've seen splitters like that... it won my over. It's pricy, but looks soooo clean and sexy.
post #2940 of 3537
Another quick note, if you use a lighter and burn the ends, (like a member stated up top) don't burn them too much because it will create a bulge and look terrible through pants, sleeving etc
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