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post #1201 of 1235
One thing I noticed with my STens was clarity. I'm sure it's even better with the SEOS. You can turn it up really loud and everything is clear as day. Well.. I guess this is the same thing Fred said.

There is no way I could ever listed at full volume, and I'm confident the sound would continue to be clear as day.

Adding the subs definitely fills in a hole at the low end. Once you add them I think you will be extremely satisfied.

Glad to hear things are moving along. I soldered up some more patch cables to get the buttkickers completed around 8pm. I sat down to test them, popped in Avatar to the pillar scene. Test completed about 9pm when the movie was over biggrin.gif Even my wife came down and watched when she felt the rumble of the subs.

Like you, it's nice to have some support in the family and even nicer when they too enjoy it.

Tim
post #1202 of 1235
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I'm continuing to make some progress and thought I would post a small update. 

 

I have finished painting all of my speaker cabinets now.  The Duratex came out great.  There are a couple of roller marks showing, but you can't see any of my speakers anyway.  I am really happy with the results and recommend it to anyone who is looking for a basic black speaker.

 

I decided to go ahead and install my subs next.  Assembly was really straight forward, so I was able to get them both installed tonight.  At first I was completely underwhelmed by the results (here we go again confused.gif).  Then I tried bumping up the output in the pre-pro and that helped a lot, but I noticed that the signal lights on the amp were barely flashing as if there was almost no signal.  Finally realized the crossover on the Crown amp was set too low, so bypassed it completely and let the pre-pro set the crossover point.  That made a big difference.

 

I then set the volume on the amp at about 25% and ran Audyssey just to see what would happen.  At first it said the sub levels were too low to detect them, so I turned them all the way up. This time it said they were too high (that's good news - have enough power).  Finally adjusted them one notch at a time until they ended up at half volume.  Then it let me run the test.

 

I didn't really have any good clips queued, so I decided to play Captain America (which I actually haven't seen yet).  Just watched the first couple of scenes, but was really happy with the sound.  The low frequencies were really good when the tank knocked down the door at the beginning.

 

Obviously I need to get the center channel installed as well as the surrounds, but with just stereo sound and subs I am really happy.  The sound is great.  I was a bit worried about having enough power, but that is starting to fade.

 

One final note - even while testing things out, my wife said she really didn't hear anything upstairs.  Considering I don't have the bottom door seal on yet, that was great news.

post #1203 of 1235
Just catching up on a few thread and I have to say everything is looking great! I think the best part may be from this point forward you can work while rockin' out at the same time smile.gif
post #1204 of 1235
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My theater is officially operational!!

 

I can't say it is fully complete yet, but I have all 7 speakers and 2 subs installed and we watched a couple of movies this weekend.  I am loving it.  I can't believe how great it sounds and I haven't really spent much time tuning anything yet.

 

I also got 4 of the shakers installed in the front row.  I have them grouped in pairs.  I ran one pair in series and the other in parallel just to compare.  The shakers that are run in series are ok, but with them turned up all the way, I didn't really feel a lot (but it was noticeable).  I had to bump the subs up on the pre-pro to get them close to where I wanted them, but then the subs were a bit to high.

 

I had the opposite problem with the pair that was run in parallel.  They were up too high and they were bottoming out.  I played the tank seen at the beginning of Captain America and the shaking was distracting.  Easy fix though - turn the bass back down and turn the gain on the amp back down if necessary.  I'm sure I will be doing lots of tweaking.  

 

Most of the clips I have been watching for testing were without the lens.  I finally watched a full movie - Captain America.  I watched in full anamorphic with the lens and loved it.  My son asked if him and his friends could watch a movie this afternoon while I was working on some other stuff.  I couldn't wait for them to experience the theater.  Typical teens - would pick an action movie (which would be great with the subs and shakers) .  Of course not.  They picked Monty Python's Holy Grail.  Oh well, they really enjoyed it.  

 

Both of my sons asked if I would watch a movie with them this evening - ok, finally a chance to show off the theater.  My wife wasn't home, so we could watch anything.  They brought a couple of the neighbors over and started looking through the movies.  Planes, Trains and Automobiles?????  Love the movie, but we have a 140" anamorphic screen with 7.2 surround!!  Oh well.  I am definitely picking the movie for the premier.wink.gif

 

As I mentioned, the project isn't officially done.  I still have a few tasks left:

 

  • Cover base traps
  • Make velvet panels for screen wall
  • Cover closets
  • wire smoke detector at panel
  • Finish HVAC (thermostat and cover cold air return)
  • wire zwave switches.
  • Wire last 4 shakers

 

Phase 2 will be automating everything.  I want to use irule to make a remote for the theater that controls everything including lighting.  I quickly realized how many remotes it takes to start up a movie.  This is something I look forward to.

post #1205 of 1235
I run my two shakers in parallel and have the gain on my amp at about 1/4. I also turned on the low pass filter. Now the shakers only hit when the rumble is low. They're great now. I originally had the same problem.. they were distracting.

Looking forward to your automation endeavor. I just started messing around with that..

Tim


ps- our to-do lists looks frighteningly similar
post #1206 of 1235
Nick - without digging through pages of your thread, what amp are you using to power your bass shakers?

I ran into the same situation you experienced in my last theater until I switched to the Buttkicker amplifier and used the amp's variable crossover. I found that the effect was best if I set the crossover to around 30Hz.

Looks like you only have about a day's worth of work left until you are done! I wonder who will win between you and Mr. Tim..... biggrin.gif

post #1207 of 1235
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Nick - without digging through pages of your thread, what amp are you using to power your bass shakers?

 

I am running two Crown XLS 1000 amps for the buttkickers.  I am running one pair off of each channel.

 

Quote:
Looks like you only have about a day's worth of work left until you are done! I wonder who will win between you and Mr. Tim..... biggrin.gif

 

I don't think I will be done in one day, but I am really close.  I think Mr. Tim is going to take the prize on this one.  That's ok.  The prize for second place (a finished theater) is fine with me.

post #1208 of 1235
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Originally Posted by Mr.Tim View Post

Looking forward to your automation endeavor. I just started messing around with that..

Tim

 

 

I love home automation.  I have been messing around with it for years.  I have been looking for something new to add to the system for a while.  The theater is perfect for that.  I can't wait to build a touch pad remote to control everything.

 

Speaking of remotes, that is one thing that is worth noting.  With so many remotes to control the theater, I am constantly flipping between them.  A couple of them (like DirecTV) reflect off the screen great, but others don't at all.  I end up twisting my arm in all kinds of awkward directions to get the remote to work.  Even though I plan on going with an IP based remote, I definitely need to look into an IR repeater for those times I need to use the original remote.  I wired for it, but haven't bought one yet.

 

I will have to look into it as part of the automation phase.

post #1209 of 1235
I know you're online. What's the progress?? biggrin.gif My red GOM arrived.. time to wrap panels. 4 more days!

Tim
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Originally Posted by Mr.Tim View Post

I know you're online. What's the progress?? biggrin.gif My red GOM arrived.. time to wrap panels. 4 more days!

Tim

 

I thought I was being watched! :eek:

 

Things have definitely slowed since I installed the speakers (who would have thought that would happen ;)).  We have watched 5 movies now.  The premier is officially tomorrow night.  That will be the first time all 4 of us watch a movie together.  I need to pick something my wife will be interested in, but that is visually great.  I am thinking about Life of Pi.  She has read the book, but none of us have seen the movie.

 

Between watching movies, I have been cleaning up the rack.  All that remains is to make a couple more network cables.  All of the other wiring is now cleaned up.  I also wired the last 4 shakers.  All 8 are now operational and working great.

 

I glued up the frame for one of my velvet panels for the screen wall, but then I ran out of plywood strips.  I need to grab another sheet tomorrow so I can finish up the screen wall and the closets.

 

I was tweaking the speaker levels a bit, but one of the big things I noticed is that the low frequencies vary significantly from movie to movie.  I had them all set for Captain America and then when I played A Good Day to Die the bass was overwhelming and way to loud (but clear).  The shakers were near the point of bottoming out in several scenes.  I'm not sure how most people deal with this.

 

More to come (along with some photos) at the end of the weekend.

post #1211 of 1235
I know how you feel.. Supplies are running short. I'm building using whatever I have laying around.

A lot of movies just don't have good bass. There is a thread that ranks the bass in each movie. CA has a very low peak. GDTD fares much better.. The LFE actually gets clipped.

So it;s either adjust the bass to suit each movie or be prepared for a lot of movies not to have good bass.

Tim
post #1212 of 1235
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OFFICIAL PREMIER - 9/1/13!!!

 

It's official - we had the theater premier last night.  It was my family plus our neighbors and their daughter.  There were 8 people, but then another neighbor kid showed up and we couldn't turn him away, so he sat on the floor.

 

We watched Life of Pi.  I was bummed that it wasn't anamorphic, but it was too late to change our mind at that point.  My neighbors were completely blown away.  They were absolutely speechless.  They pictured a white room with a pull down screen and a couch.  One of them just kept repeating - "I can't believe this.  After the movie he just giggled and shook his head.  I showed some demo clips so they could experience anamorphic as well as the sound.

 

Needless to say it was a huge success.  I wish I had taken some pictures, but I was so worried about everything going right that I forgot.:o  Here is a picture of the room after cleaning up.

 

 

In addition to the premier, I ended up finishing up a few other items.  I wrapped the one screen wall panel I made with black velvet.  It makes a huge difference.  It just disappears when the movie starts.  I need to get some wood to finish the other side as well as the panels for the closets.

 

I also finished up the network cables on the back of the rack.  Everything in the rack is pretty much done except the phone line.  It came out pretty good.  I'm just glad it isn't a huge tangled mess.  I debated on labeling all of the wires, but decided not to since it is pretty organized and easy to trace individual wires.

 

 

 

 

 

I finally got around to wiring the 6 z-wave dimmers in the theater as well.  I started messing around with programming the scene controller at the door, but didn't get it finished.  I need to finalize what the buttons will be for.  Here is what I was thinking for the top 3 buttons, but I need one more (I'm open to suggestions):

 

  • Entry/Welcome (all on)
  • Movie (only step lights (50%) and rope lights).
  • TV (Movie plus side and rear dimmed to 50%)
  • ??

 

 

I will take some better pictures with my son's camera once everything is 100%.

 

 

post #1213 of 1235
That's fantastic! Glad to hear your premier went well. Gotta love being able to share with the neighbors and the kiddos. Nothing like running the demo clips and seeing the grin from ear to ear on your friends faces. Good times my friend, enjoy them as you certainly deserve it.

Congrats again!

Regards,

RTROSE
post #1214 of 1235
Glad to hear your premier went well! I did a test run with my daughter and her friends.. sound kept dropping out.. switched HDMI cables and all is well. ALways good to do a test run smile.gif

My scenes are:

-All on
-All on except screen lights (good for running the trivia slides while people arrive)
-Movie Mode 1 (All off except tray lights and step lights; rear cans and walkway cans at dimmest level. Good for guests that aren't familiar.. a little bit more light to see your way to the bathroom)
-Movie Mode 2 (All off except tray and step lights. Man cave mode. Good for family movies)

Tim
post #1215 of 1235
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Originally Posted by Mr.Tim View Post

Glad to hear your premier went well! I did a test run with my daughter and her friends.. sound kept dropping out.. switched HDMI cables and all is well. ALways good to do a test run smile.gif

My scenes are:

-All on
-All on except screen lights (good for running the trivia slides while people arrive)
-Movie Mode 1 (All off except tray lights and step lights; rear cans and walkway cans at dimmest level. Good for guests that aren't familiar.. a little bit more light to see your way to the bathroom)
-Movie Mode 2 (All off except tray and step lights. Man cave mode. Good for family movies)

Tim

 

Thanks for the scene suggestions.  Your Movie Mode 1 is like my TV mode.  I figure people will be getting up and down during the game/show.  I like the idea of having all on except the screen.  Kind of a "preview mode".  I may play around with that idea.

 

I actually forgot about the trivia slides.  I have been so focused on the build that I haven't even thought about previews, trivia slides, concession stand ads.  That's the fun stuff that will come once I wrap up a few more items.

 

One other note I forgot to mention - one batch of popcorn is not enough.  I popped 8 ounces and it was gone before I filled up everyone's cup.  With 8 people, we easily could have finished off 2 batches.  3 might have been OK as well.

 

By the way, my wife is already planning the next several showings.  She is having a hard time deciding which neighbors to group together.  She already has notified me that she invited a bunch of her friends over to watch Les Mis.  She is going to have more time in the theater than me ;).  Looks like I need to get my son an ushers suit.

post #1216 of 1235
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Originally Posted by NGiovas View Post

 Looks like I need to get my son an ushers suit.

Do it quickly before your wife orders one for you! wink.gif
post #1217 of 1235
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Originally Posted by NGiovas View Post

 Looks like I need to get my son an ushers suit.

Do it quickly before your wife orders one for you! wink.gif

 

I'm one step ahead of you.  I already hired an usher so I won't have to do it.

 

post #1218 of 1235
Good thinking! biggrin.gif
post #1219 of 1235
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Originally Posted by NGiovas View Post

Thanks for the scene suggestions.  Your Movie Mode 1 is like my TV mode.  I figure people will be getting up and down during the game/show.  I like the idea of having all on except the screen.  Kind of a "preview mode".  I may play around with that idea.

I actually forgot about the trivia slides.  I have been so focused on the build that I haven't even thought about previews, trivia slides, concession stand ads.  That's the fun stuff that will come once I wrap up a few more items.

One other note I forgot to mention - one batch of popcorn is not enough.  I popped 8 ounces and it was gone before I filled up everyone's cup.  With 8 people, we easily could have finished off 2 batches.  3 might have been OK as well.

By the way, my wife is already planning the next several showings.  She is having a hard time deciding which neighbors to group together.  She already has notified me that she invited a bunch of her friends over to watch Les Mis.  She is going to have more time in the theater than me wink.gif .  Looks like I need to get my son an ushers suit.

All on except screen lights is the "welcome" mode. Lets people see the theater, talk to each other, ask questions etc.. but the screen is easily seen and readable (I had the Pixar trivia slides running for the kids). The slides roll into previews, at which time everybody settles down. Then I switch to movie mode.

Thanks for the popcorn tips.. will be sure to pop enough tomorrow night.

Tim
post #1220 of 1235
That's a very nice looking theater you have Nick. Excellently organized equipment rack too.
post #1221 of 1235
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That's a very nice looking theater you have Nick. Excellently organized equipment rack too.

 

Thanks Dale.  I was surprised how much time the rack took, but I am really glad I took the time to organize it.

post #1222 of 1235
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First - I want to make sure that everyone who is following my thread is aware that I will be hosting a home theater meet at my house in early November.  Anyone who will be in the area is welcome to stop by.  Check out the link in my signature for more info.

 

My wife had seven friends over last night for a girls night and they watched Les Mis in the theater.  It was a huge hit.  The one thing I had not considered was that I had the windows open upstairs, so the air conditioning was off.  It wasn't hot in the room when they started the movie, but it was warmer than we would have liked.  This just highlights the importance of good ventilation.  I really need to finish hooking up my thermostat and getting my barometric bypass hooked up so I can run the AC in the theater when the rest of the house is turned off.

 

That was the first time anyone watched a full movie in the room without me.  I was in the family room right above the theater and was extremely happy with the sound proofing.  I only heard a very low rumble twice at the end of the movie.  I could barely hear it.  My wife has been sleeping on the second floor while we were watching some very loud movies and has not heard anything.  This makes me very happy.  I don't even have the bottom seal on the door or the outer door installed.

 

The other huge success during her get together was the iRule remote.  I set up irule on an iPod touch for her to control the Dune media player (she was able to pause, play, etc. and then was able to hit a single button to turn everything off at the end.  That made it much easier.  The only thing it doesn't turn off is the Crown amps, but she just hit those buttons.  I wonder if I can set up a trigger for those.

 

Now that I have iRule setup to control most of my equipment, I have started working on some of the more advanced automation.  I plan to get the HAI module to control the lighting.  I have also been working on launching a Dune/Zappiti control app from iRule so I can select a movie from a tablet and return to iRule.

 

Lastly, I finally got around to working on the rear closets.  I cut the wood for 3 of the panels for the rack closet.  Unfortunately, the weather did not cooperate and I wasn't able to continue cutting wood out in the driveway.  I hope to cut some more panels during the week.

post #1223 of 1235
So you got the GC-100 up and running with the older firmware? I was just looking through my thread.. I picked mine up 9 months ago. I have yet to install it smile.gif

Tim
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Originally Posted by Mr.Tim View Post

So you got the GC-100 up and running with the older firmware? I was just looking through my thread.. I picked mine up 9 months ago. I have yet to install it smile.gif

Tim

 

 

I actually am not using it yet.  I got it reset and tested when I bought it and haven't touched it since.  I am controlling everything in my system via IP.  I will be using RS232 for my Cineslide, but I have one of the newer Global Cache boxes in my family room that I used to use to control my old Pioneer Elite, but it isn't being used right now.

 

The only issue I am having right now with IP control is that my projector doesn't seem to wake up if it has been off for some time.  I need to look into this because it should.  Haven't had time to mess with it.

post #1225 of 1235
I just got caught up on your build. Great job, everything looks great!! Sure makes me ready to get mine finished.
post #1226 of 1235
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Originally Posted by NGiovas View Post

 Looks like I need to get my son an ushers suit.


Do it quickly before your wife orders one for you! wink.gif

I'm one step ahead of you.  I already hired an usher so I won't have to do it.


Isn't that Arts daughter?
post #1227 of 1235
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Originally Posted by avtexan View Post

I just got caught up on your build. Great job, everything looks great!! Sure makes me ready to get mine finished.

 

Thanks avtexan.  I have been delinquent on updating my thread and just saw your post.  Reading through the threads here on AVS kept me motivated throughout my build.  

 

We have been really enjoying the theater.  I have to say that it has exceeded my expectations.  I am always looking for an excuse to watch something in the theater rather than on the regular TV.

 

With that said, as many others have posted, once the projector goes up - all work stops.  I have a few final things to finish up, but it has been slow.  I am trying to get them knocked out so I can just enjoy the theater without worrying about what is left on the list.  I will post a few minor updates soon.

post #1228 of 1235
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Originally Posted by GetGray View Post
 

I'm one step ahead of you.  I already hired an usher so I won't have to do it.

Isn't that Arts daughter?

 

Maybe she is why so many people signed up to come to my home theater meet in 2 weeks.  

post #1229 of 1235
Nick - progress update?
HEMI meet was great, looked like just a few items left on your HT punch card list to finish..
post #1230 of 1235
How are those Fusion Escapes treating you? I'm curious to see how well the adjustable headrest works - are you pleased with that?

I started following your thread this fall. Awesome job, everything looks incredible!
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